SM3.0 finally having a nice performance gain over older tech?

[sbuckler]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
You need to rememeber something.
Can the developers be bothered enough even with S.M 2.0? Thats because today's and next gen standards are S.M3.0.

The question is the fall back shaders. S.M1.1? or S.M2.0. or even no fall back shader (in the extreme case).
We all know S.M1.1 looks a lot different to S.M2.0 or 3.0, because its IQ is poor comapred to the higher S.M.

Its could really hurt ATi, becasue if those fall back shaders on the games turn out to be 1.1, performance wouldnt be a problem but the IQ would be really bad. This is the point, how will these newly released Xfire products play newer gamers, with features?

I tend to agree. It costs money to develop lots of rendering paths hence developers are going to want to code an SM3 path for those with the kit to play the game properly and one other fallback which has to cover as much of the market as possible to maximise sales. That's likely to be SM1.1 or SM2 but highly unlikely to be SM2b. SM2b doesn't bring you many more sales, for that you need to support all the FX and 9X00 cards. SM2 is possible, but the problem is that all the FX series video cards will run it like dogs, but you can't afford to ignore them as it's a huge percentage of the market. Hence SM1.1 is a distinct possibility.

 

[McArra]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I use it everyday with better IQ than any ATi so for me is worth and very usable.

You play Fear every day?

and were really surprised with the gameplay with HDR and SM3.0.

In Far Cry I assume? Well that's great if you like to run low resolutions. Also SLI doesn't help HDR.

I was talking about SM 3.0 and HDR. I use it in Farcry and SC: CT. HDR also in use in CRC2005.

I don't care about SLI, I'm in AGP and I have a 17" LCD, no need for 1600x1200 here so yes, it is great for me, and people around me was really surprised with the IQ and the effects. They also told me it looked smooth when some of you claim it is a slideshow. There were X800pro/XT users there and they were really surpeised as they had heard it was a slideshow and it wasn't.

And I paid as much or less as they paid for their SM2.0b hard, so I can't see the bad point of having a new tech that I use and love. It's not that X8xx is bad, it's that GF6 are better buy IMO this time, as it was the 9700/9800 from ATi not than long ago. I loved those both cards as I love my 6800GT. And I can use the same effects X8xx offers so I'm losing nothing, while X8xx users can't say the same and can't enjoy some beautifull effects.

 

[McArra]

People, talk about tech, no personal flames or stupid flamewars. Let's keep the topic as clean as possible, PLEASE!!!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Nice thread.

And kensplayer cant blame it on me now. I havent posted in it in over a day, and yets, its gotten worse... Im probably going to save this as one of my favorite threads, its a beautie! You're right. I haven't blamed you for any of the posts you haven't made in this thread. 😉

Lets go over a few things.

1. Fears poor performance is OFN, and its months away from being released.
It's a beta if thats what you mean

2. No card can get decent performance in it.
Like I said, beta. Monolith has 2+ months to tweak according to the release date.

3. Just because the NV cards perform better in it overall than ATis doesnt mean its because SM3.
Doesn't mean it isn't either.

Doom generally performs better for NV, and has nothing to do with SM3.
That has to do with OpenGL, which is a whole other subject.

4. SM3 doesnt matter to everyone. Most people dont even use it.
But it matters to some. ATI owners are not able to use it.

5. The 7800GTX rocks.
Indeed

6. The XL at $250 AGP and PCI-E is a great card, no matter what PRO-NV/SM3 people try to lead you to believe.
Indeed again.

7. My bike will beat any of your poor cars.
Can lift a bike up off the ground with two people. They're featherweights. And sound like lawnmowers.

8. This thread rocks!
You're right at home in the turmoil.

9. I dont like even numbers, so here is another for an odd.

See a doctor about number 9.

It's amazing how to different pairs of eyes can see things isn't it Ackmed? Cheers

Uh, you didnt disagree with anything I said. I said it was a beta, and you agreed with me twice. Then you agreed with me on everything else. So good job?

Also, my bike doesnt sound like a lawnmower.. it rumbles..

/thread

You must have been under the impression that I was supposed to disagree with you?
I was displaying different points of view. You seem predisposed to thinking I am your nemisis and I should never agree with you. Well, when you state obvious facts like, numbers 5 & 6, of course I'll agree. No brainer.

P.S. No, my 320HP Z-28 rumbles. Your bike, vibrates.