I *thought* their TWIMTBP program was being used to provide testing/QA assistance, and support for NVIDIA cards' features. That's certainly the implication I've gotten from descriptions of it. It would be a little disconcerting to me if NVIDIA was directly paying off game developers.
Cerb
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NVidia offers you money. Would you say no?
IMO, since there is nothing that can't be done in 2.0 (just more pipeline passes, IIRC), SM 3.0 should be made so it can back down. Now, if NVidia was feeding you, you wouldn't think that way, though, would you...?
It looks good in some of those shots, but it is overdone in others. If they toned it down a little bit, I think it would look amazing. These are actually the first screenshots of Far Cry I have ever seen. It has some seriously nice bump mapping effects.
Hey, its rollo, what can you possibly expect? He still thinks his 5800 U is better than a 9800 Pro LOL.
Rollo
Thanks. Senility hasn't totally set in yet.
That was the downgrade I posted about. You had no issue then about an older core with similar performance. Now you wont use an older core with similar performance.
Again, do you think SM3.0 visuals are worth it? You seem to be very unimpressed about any new visual features up until now. You have also reversed your position on the value of video card features for future games.
Now they do. They didn't when they first implemented it. I dont recall you being upset at all with nVidia, but you are very upset with ATi for doing the same.
Agree about being a hypocrite about one co Vs the other. That goes for nVidia fan boys as well as ATi. Right?
Hey, it's Fsstrike, what can you expect? He talks about good hardware as if he's ever owned any (hasn't) and talks smack about guys who buy it on a whim and use it till they're tired of it.
That P4 1.5 and Ti4200 crankin' some Quake 2 for you there, little buddy?
BTW Big Chief- I never said my 5800U was "better" than the 9800Pro I traded for it. I said it was a neat card I'm glad I got a chance to try, that has performance comparable to the 9700 Pro I used to have back in the day.
I'll put it this way Chief- the only game I have I can't play 10X7 4X8X with no slowdowns is Painkiller, and that pumps a lot of polys. Why don't you try turning on the 4X8X and count the frames on your fingers?
:roll:
nV and EA have an agreement whereby--AFAIK--EA develops mainly on GeForce cards provided by nVidia. Obviously they must test on other cards, but Tiger Woods 2003 and 2004 had some nV-only features that were enabled for ATi owners only after a patch or two. That seems like at least a little special preference.
I'd rather have a 5800 Ultra over a 9800 Pro any day. It's rarer - I prefer collecter's item appeal far more than raw power.
I mean, compare a modern corvette to a 70s era Mako 'Vette. The modern Vette would dog the classic, but which would I rather have? The Mako. There are very few of those on the road. If I had a 5800U, I'd probably keep it even after I built a new system, just to have arguably the most infamous card in the history of graphics hardware...
I may end up with a X800 something some day, but what I'm looking for now is a GT or an Ultra. You're right that I like to play with video cards, unfortunately, my son and his hobbies, his daycare/preschool, and my other hobbies have turned into a black hole of money. I just can't justify buying a new card every month and eating the losses like I used to, the money is better spent on my son or invested.
Like I said, I haven't seen enough to comment. I do think their will be far more SM3 patched and native games within a year from now than there were PS2 games 1.5 years after the R300s launch. I think the "future" is here for SM3 because it's not as big a leap forward as the DX9b feature set was.
I wasn't upset, and I'm not really upset with ATI for doing the same thing. Am I going to note ATI did the same thing, actually much worse when you couple it with their recommendation to turn off nVidia optimizations for equal benching?
You bet. I had that "cheater drivers", "reduced IQ", "lied to customers" BS shoved down my throat so many times there's no way I'm going to just say "Oh well. Everyone is doing it. What a crazy world we live in." The people who yammered that claptrap day in, day out are now going to hear about it whenever appropriate.
Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Agreed.
We think alike Insomniak. The 5800U is going in my son's machine, with pride, when I upgrade.
For me it would be a new corvette vs. a 70-74 Challenger or Barracuda. The only muscle car I ever had was a 72 Monte Carlo with a 350 with Edelbrock Tarantula/Holley double pumper/Holley racing fuel pump/hot cam. That thing was mucho macho grande'- Cragar SSs, 60/70s, pearl white over gold lacquer, hood tach- cars have gotten too high tech and plastic. Had a 74 Camaro 350/4 speed in HS too, loved that also.
I know the feeling. I just had a new deck built, new mower, new fridge and dishwasher (gotta keep Mrs Oldfart happy). Beach and Disney vaca coming up soon. Got two little ones myself that are doing all kinds of stuff. I travel a lot these days and honestly, have little to no time to play any games. The 9800P I have now is pretty much a waste. I can easily afford to buy any card I want, but dont see a point of a new card at this time. Maybe when D3 and HL2 come out I may think about it. And I agree about the current price gouging. I wont pay the prices they are getting at the moment anyway.
you mean 3 9800 Pros? I'd take the Ultra. Like I said, collectability. You could probably get $600 for a 5800U on ebay right now.
The FP blending is not done in the shader peipeline. So it doesn't matter the FP32 pipeline stuff. Ati , as confirm by some ati employee, doesn't support any float or integer blending and filtering. As a result, they cannot do real HDR rendering. HL2 HDR is a simulated effect using the shader pipeline and it is simulated effect which is not a real HDR and has limitation, but look danm close enough.
And what about those HDR demos in internet? how can they manage to make HDR if they aren't specially coded for ATI? Could someone explain?
yhelothar
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I think you guys are overreacting that they're "overdoing it"
These screenshots are probably just to show off the different exposure level effects you can use with HDR.
Check out the 7th and 8th shot. They are both the same shot, albiet with different exposure levels. One is over exposed, and one is underexposed.
This is kind of like what ATI did in their HDR demo with the marbles.
These screenshots are probably just to show off the different exposure level effects you can use with HDR.
Check out the 7th and 8th shot. They are both the same shot, albiet with different exposure levels. One is over exposed, and one is underexposed.
This is kind of like what ATI did in their HDR demo with the marbles.
I never bought the same video card twice:
9700Pro 7 months
5800NU OCd to U level 2 months
9800 Pro 8 months
5800 OTES (5800 NU with 2ns RAM and OTES [quiet flowfx]) DOA, trolled
Traded 9800 Pro for 5800U 3 months now?
Wanted the OTES because they're very rare, in effect, a quiet Ultra. Wanted the Ultra because they're rare and infamous. Bought the 5800NU because I was bored with 9700P, needed a change.
So I've had a working 9700P, 9800P, 5800NU, and 5800U. What madness possessed me to want to have 4 different video cards in the last two years?! Call the asylum!
Doesn't seem so "crazy" to me.
Did you save the quiet OTES off the DOA card?
And I have to agree your card swapping was a very odd thing. Its one thing to change cards to upgrade, another to go lateral (or downgrade). I dont get bored with a piece of PC hardware. A CPU, HD, ram, mobo, video card, or whatever is there to do a job in the PC. If it is working well, that is all that matters. If I change something, it is to make the PC faster, more reliable, quieter, or something meaningful. It has to have a benefit of some sort. I think that would describe the vast majority of users.
IIRC, your 9800P -> 5800U swap was to prove that the nV30 was as good as a R350. Without searching out the posts, it went something like "to prove that the nv30 is not inferior to the R350, I'll offer to trade my 9800P for one." Your point was no one would trade for the supposedly "superior" 9800P since the nV30 was just as good.
The trade was to prove a point. You did this a couple of times. I never thought the trade idea proved one thing or another, and found the whole idea rather odd (I did post that at the time).
Since the trade did happen, did it prove anything? Did it prove the nV30 is an inferior card?
And I have to agree your card swapping was a very odd thing. Its one thing to change cards to upgrade, another to go lateral (or downgrade). I dont get bored with a piece of PC hardware. A CPU, HD, ram, mobo, video card, or whatever is there to do a job in the PC. If it is working well, that is all that matters. If I change something, it is to make the PC faster, more reliable, quieter, or something meaningful. It has to have a benefit of some sort. I think that would describe the vast majority of users.
IIRC, your 9800P -> 5800U swap was to prove that the nV30 was as good as a R350. Without searching out the posts, it went something like "to prove that the nv30 is not inferior to the R350, I'll offer to trade my 9800P for one." Your point was no one would trade for the supposedly "superior" 9800P since the nV30 was just as good.
The trade was to prove a point. You did this a couple of times. I never thought the trade idea proved one thing or another, and found the whole idea rather odd (I did post that at the time).
Since the trade did happen, did it prove anything? Did it prove the nV30 is an inferior card?
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