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kanishknishar

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Hello. This is my PC: bit.do/kanishkpc

This is a fairly high-end PC and I would think that such a PC having Windows 10 installed on its SSD would provide super snappy boot up times but instead my booting time from black screen (after restarting logo is done) is 20-23 seconds which seems much slower than what it was a year ago. I asked an engineer to check my PC and he did an SSD test and looked at the voltage/temperature of the motherboard and said that everything was fine.

If everything were fine, why would my booting time be so slow?

I've reinstalled Windows 10 and Task Manager has reported the same last BIOS time of 9.9 seconds. I suspect OS isn't the issue as the problem happens right when the PC starts not when Windows begin to start (the rotating circles) - that is very fast - less than 3 seconds.

What is the next step?
 
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He said he had an 850 evo; i don't htink the 850 has a version that is nvme; so while it might be m.2 it is likely sata interface.
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You said you had only one ram stick - how much ram does the system have ? Could it be paging heavily as you boot ?

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Also, NVMe devices may not make that light, only SATA / AHCI devices, AFAIK.
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I doubt the ram error is the reason for the slow boot but they are serious. Are you using default settings or did you tweak the ram settings in the bios. If you are using the default get them replace (they should be under warranty); if you tweak them reset them to the default.
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Also prime95 is a much better (imho) memory tester than memtest. I've frequently had it find memory errors that memtest miss and those memory errors explained numerous system issues I've had over the years (never performance just correctness).
 
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you2 said:
I doubt the ram error is the reason for the slow boot but they are serious. Are you using default settings or did you tweak the ram settings in the bios. If you are using the default get them replace (they should be under warranty); if you tweak them reset them to the default.
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I had changed them yesterday (XMP) but got a memory crash so now I've resetted it. Are you sure that my RAM needs to be replaced?
 
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kanishknishar said:
I had changed them yesterday (XMP) but got a memory crash so now I've resetted it. Are you sure that my RAM needs to be replaced?
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'Are you sure that my RAM needs to be replaced' Well that is up to you but I am sure you will see some weird flakiness over the years if your ram is bad. You should be able to replace for the cost of postage (assuming you purchased from a reliable vendor). If the vendor won't help you corsair should (assuming the dealer was an authorized dealer and you have a receipt).
 
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you2 said:
'Are you sure that my RAM needs to be replaced' Well that is up to you but I am sure you will see some weird flakiness over the years if your ram is bad. You should be able to replace for the cost of postage (assuming you purchased from a reliable vendor). If the vendor won't help you corsair should (assuming the dealer was an authorized dealer and you have a receipt).
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I mean it is certain that my RAM is faulty? And it cannot have happened because of power fluctuations, right?
 
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I'm a bit late to this but his it been established there is nothing else attached to the PC that could be causing this, relatively, slow boot? Does it happen if you detach or turn off the router before cold booting the PC?

They only time I've had anything like this is with a permanently attached USB flash drive that for some still un-established reason occasionally acts up. That also causes very slow shutdown too.

I'm wondering if it could be something like this, perhaps you have a flash drive plugged in the back of the PC set up for ReadyBoost you've forgotten about. Maybe another faulty USB device ie. keyboard, mouse or USB driver is causing the problem.

And what's running ar startup - that's the first thing I'd be checking using Autoruns or MSConfig. In fact I'd first use CCleaner > Tools > StartUp and see if there is anything there which should not be there before using those more comprehensive tools.
 
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Mantrid-Drone said:
And what's running ar startup - that's the first thing I'd be checking using Autoruns or MSConfig. In fact I'd first use CCleaner > Tools > StartUp and see if there is anything there which should not be there before using those more comprehensive tools.
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It's in the initial boot up (BIOS) not Windows.

@kanishknishar
It's a real pickle. With just one stick of RAM it's hard to rule out whether or not that one stick has gone bad and is giving the system grief. Typically, a few bad blocks just causes random errors, not slowdowns. I'm starting to lean more towards board issues. I just don't know if you have enough proof for a warranty replacement (if it's still under warranty).
 
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Ajay said:
It's in the initial boot up (BIOS) not Windows.

@kanishknishar
It's a real pickle. With just one stick of RAM it's hard to rule out whether or not that one stick has gone bad and is giving the system grief. Typically, a few bad blocks just causes random errors, not slowdowns. I'm starting to lean more towards board issues. I just don't know if you have enough proof for a warranty replacement (if it's still under warranty).
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I am getting a replacement of my RAM. The vendor told me that replacement is simple enough. Right now we are going to see if RAM replacement fixes the problem?

I am actually going to go to my vendor and he'll test the rig.

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OP have you updated the bios to latest yet?
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Yes but the BIOS versions' dates not match in Windows 10.
 
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Does it match if you go into bios settings and check the version ? What tool are you using to look at the bios version in windows 10 ?
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Btw here is a simplistic article on dual channel and gaming. Not to spoil the article but dying light was the only game (of 6 or 8) he tested where there was a 'big' difference.
(the link is to the conclusion which fails to discuss dying light but otherwise pretty much sums it up)

Does dual-channel memory make difference in gaming performance? | Hardware Secrets

www.hardwaresecrets.com www.hardwaresecrets.com
(the article is a bit weak because it doesn't cover numerous issues that might impact performance outside of dual/single channel issue and make single tests very weak).


kanishknishar said:
I am getting a replacement of my RAM. The vendor told me that replacement is simple enough. Right now we are going to see if RAM replacement fixes the problem?

I am actually going to go to my vendor and he'll test the rig.



Yes but the BIOS versions' dates not match in Windows 10.
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kanishknishar

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you2 said:
Does it match if you go into bios settings and check the version ? What tool are you using to look at the bios version in windows 10 ?
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Btw here is a simplistic article on dual channel and gaming. Not to spoil the article but dying light was the only game (of 6 or 8) he tested where there was a 'big' difference.
(the link is to the conclusion which fails to discuss dying light but otherwise pretty much sums it up)

Does dual-channel memory make difference in gaming performance? | Hardware Secrets

www.hardwaresecrets.com www.hardwaresecrets.com
(the article is a bit weak because it doesn't cover numerous issues that might impact performance outside of dual/single channel issue and make single tests very weak).
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It brings me relief to know that I didn't mess up on my RAM purchasing decision. Thank you.

Ajay said:
Great! Good luck!
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Guys, you won't be hearing an update for a long time now. Just getting the RAM replaced will take 7 working days and then I don't know when I'll go to get my rig tested. Thanks for the help though everyone!
 
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I would say you are in spec. So you said your total boot time is about 20-25 seconds ? on ssd, that seems to be the time. Regular hd is 40-60 sec ? (anyone agree).


1. you said you had this for over a year. Whats your ssd wear.. I run samsung magician software to check

2. your drive is sata ssd, its not nvme m.2. So you're looking at sata speeds 550/550. nvme m.2 ssd will get you under 10 sec boot.


Either that or that mobo has long boot time, seems to be common with other users too

Asus TUF Mark 2 long startup time

Hi, I have a pc running Windows 10 pro x64 with this setup: _Intel Core I7 7820X processor _Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 G1 _Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB ram 2.700 Mhz (4 modules of 16GB) _2 Samsung 960 PRO NVMe M.2 512GB _1 HD WD Blue 3TB _Corsair 650 W power supply _ Asus TUF X299 Mark 2 The...
forums.tomshardware.com forums.tomshardware.com

- I didnt listen but if you reinstalled, you have all your intel drivers updated ?
 
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My haswell has faster boot time on a sandisk sata ssd (old low-end tlc ssd - at least 5 years). I haven't timed it per sey but i think it is around 3-5 seconds from time it leaves the bios till it start display icons on the screen. Hum. I'll time it now - this is after a shutdown not a restart:
Yea 4 or 5 seconds - 10-12 seconds including bios (from time i hit the power switch).


rsutoratosu said:
I would say you are in spec. So you said your total boot time is about 20-25 seconds ? on ssd, that seems to be the time. Regular hd is 40-60 sec ? (anyone agree).


1. you said you had this for over a year. Whats your ssd wear.. I run samsung magician software to check

2. your drive is sata ssd, its not nvme m.2. So you're looking at sata speeds 550/550. nvme m.2 ssd will get you under 10 sec boot.


Either that or that mobo has long boot time, seems to be common with other users too

Asus TUF Mark 2 long startup time

Hi, I have a pc running Windows 10 pro x64 with this setup: _Intel Core I7 7820X processor _Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 G1 _Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB ram 2.700 Mhz (4 modules of 16GB) _2 Samsung 960 PRO NVMe M.2 512GB _1 HD WD Blue 3TB _Corsair 650 W power supply _ Asus TUF X299 Mark 2 The...
forums.tomshardware.com forums.tomshardware.com

- I didnt listen but if you reinstalled, you have all your intel drivers updated ?
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My system is unrelated to the op - it is an ecs-drone z97 (with ddr3). I do have a couple of sandybridge systems with asus boards - but they both run linux. In fact all my systems run linux 'cept for the one game machine.

rsutoratosu said:
What board is your haswell on, the same asus or different board.
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daveybrat said:
Have you tried booting the computer without either of your 2 external hard drives plugged in?

If yes, have you also tried booting it with the secondary 1TB mechanical drive disconnected?

Here's his computer specs:

Monitor: Dell U2417H
OS: Windows 10 Home 1809
Motherboard: ASUS TUF Z270 Mark II
Processor: Intel i7-7700K
Graphic Card: ASUS Strix GTX 1070
RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR4 3000Mhz 16GB (16x1)
SMPS: Corsair CX650M
SSD: Samsung EVO 850 SATA 3 M.II
HDD: WD 1TB 7200RPM
Cooler: Corsair H100i v2
ATX Cabinet: Corsair Carbide 400Q Tower

External Hard Disk 1: Seagate Backup Plus 4TB
External Hard Disk 2: Seagate Backup Plus 1TB
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Sorry for interrupts, Can you suggest best computers specs for high end video editing like vfs and after effects.
 
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