Slow and agonizing death of a Barton..

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Friday

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A few years ago, I bought a Mobile Athlon 2500, and overclocked the heck out of it to 2300@@200FSB. And life was good.

And, after time, I could no longer keep it at that rate and had to throttle it back to 2200@166FSB. And life was still good.

About a week ago, even 2000 was hardly reachable. And, last night, 1800 was no longer reachable. Now, it only runs stable at around 1600@133FSB. Life is not good.

I'm I safe in my reasoning that this CPU is dying a slow death of my overclocking upon it? Anyone else experience similar deaths with other CPU's.

In any case, I've ordered another 2500 Mobile Athlon, and I'll be able to repeat the cycle...
 
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BoboKatt

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My father still runs my loving Bartron 2500 that, like yours was running at an incredible 200FSB (2300mhz). I had it running for EVAHHH on my system at a bit under that but when I built it for him, I upped it. He runs it 24/7 and has had it now for almost 2 years and has an aftermarket HS/Fan combo (not sure what it is) with fresh and new AC5. Anyhow it's lasted for soooo long I still can't imagine anything knocking it down.

I would also suggest checking the temp on it using any of the available temp apps out there to see if it's simply overheating. Also applying new fresh thermal compound can't hurt. I would go as far as saying it might be the board rather than the CPU. Again this thing was a stampeding powerhouse that refuses to die and still to this day runs fast and responsive. In fact probably one of the best CPUs I've ever owned.

Hope it's still good for yah. Does it crash Windows? or simply wont boot? Have you tried upping the Voltage at all?


 
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Shimmishim

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Originally posted by: Friday
A few years ago, I bought a Mobile Athlon 2500, and overclocked the heck out of it to 2300@@200FSB. And life was good.

And, after time, I could no longer keep it at that rate and had to throttle it back to 2200@166FSB. And life was still good.

About a week ago, even 2000 was hardly reachable. And, last night, 1800 was no longer reachable. Now, it only runs stable at around 1600@133FSB. Life is not good.

I'm I safe in my reasoning that this CPU is dying a slow death of my overclocking upon it? Anyone else experience similar deaths with other CPU's.

In any case, I've ordered another 2500 Mobile Athlon, and I'll be able to repeat the cycle...
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maybe it's time for an upgrade? :)

i just recently sold off my socket A system which served as my rig #2 / backup.

but if you don't... the fs/ft forum usually has people selling off socket a chips for cheap.
 
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o1die

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My 2500 barton overheated and popped a few internal leads, becoming a thoroughbred with 256k cache. It runs fine at 1700 in one of my spare pc's.
 
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chubbyfatazn

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Originally posted by: Friday
A few years ago, I bought a Mobile Athlon 2500, and overclocked the heck out of it to 2300@@200FSB. And life was good.

And, after time, I could no longer keep it at that rate and had to throttle it back to 2200@166FSB. And life was still good.

About a week ago, even 2000 was hardly reachable. And, last night, 1800 was no longer reachable. Now, it only runs stable at around 1600@133FSB. Life is not good.

I'm I safe in my reasoning that this CPU is dying a slow death of my overclocking upon it? Anyone else experience similar deaths with other CPU's.

In any case, I've ordered another 2500 Mobile Athlon, and I'll be able to repeat the cycle...
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Where did you order the Mobile 2500? I'd be interested in one seeing as I run a 2500 machine as a secondary gaming rig.. awesome chips, those are.

But yeah, definitely try reapplying the thermal grease. My 2500 would always reach 60C and freeze at one point till I remembered that the processor was long overdue for a reapplyment of paste, and after that it was fine and dandy (temps at 48C max overclocked to 2.2ghz, stock heatsink).
 
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Friday

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Keeleysam, I've tried to clean off the cpu and reapply thermal grease. No luck.

BoboKatt, It doesn't boot windows. If it did, it would lock up windows. Lock up even while I'm configuring the BIOS. I've tried upping to voltage from 1.625 all the way to 1.725. No luck

Sandorski, I hope it isn't the motherboard. I've got a new CPU coming in to replace the old. It would be a waste if it didn't work.

Ayah, I've put it up to 1.725, and still nothing. At that point, my motherboard was screaming at me with these two tones (sounded like eee-err, eee-err, eee-err...). Motherboard is an Nforce2ultra abit NF7

Shimmisham, I'm just waiting for my tax return check. Then it is core 2 duo time....

o1die, I just checked with cpu-z. Still shows 512k L2 cache.

Chubbyfatzn, PC Progress had 6 left as of this morning. $62/ea.

Thanks for all of the replies. As long as it isn't the motherboard that is dying, I'll be alright with this new chip. The memory can still run async at 200FSB, so I hope this means that the motherboard checks out OK. Fans look good, heatsink is on the CPU. I hope for the best....
 
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TStep

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I forget what the lowest multiplier is on these anymore, but in any case, lower it to the lowest multiplier and set the fsb to what you had it at originally (200 if I understand you correctly. NF2 like synch memory so do that. ie: your processor is well within the bounds of what it should run at, and you are basically testing your mobo/memory combo. Then set the fsb very low 133 and set the multi to 17x. Now you are stressing the cpu.

My Epox 8RGA+/mobile 2200 exhibited this same type of behavior and it is the motherboard that is dying. 170 fsb is the max anymore when 230 was the max when I first got the board. Problem = bad caps
 
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AndrewL

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Have you tried clearing the CMOS sometimes that fixes everything inexplicably.

Sounds like something funky is going on I dont think your cpu is "dieing".
 
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Duvie

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Remember as you are lowering you clock you are also lowering the fsb and likely the ram speed...anyone of those could also be a culprit. I am not trying to say your cpu is not the reason, but dont get hasty and trow it out the door before you determined the real culprit...otherwise you may have future issues once you get a replacement cpu and then musical chair of hardware swapping cost more and then you find yourself replacing entirely a old aging platform....when money could be better spent on a newer generation platform...
 
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icarus4586

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Have you also cleaned all the dust out of the HSF? I've seen huge temperature differences just by cleaning the dust out of the heatsink.
 
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AsianriceX

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Originally posted by: TStep
I forget what the lowest multiplier is on these anymore, but in any case, lower it to the lowest multiplier and set the fsb to what you had it at originally (200 if I understand you correctly. NF2 like synch memory so do that. ie: your processor is well within the bounds of what it should run at, and you are basically testing your mobo/memory combo. Then set the fsb very low 133 and set the multi to 17x. Now you are stressing the cpu.

My Epox 8RGA+/mobile 2200 exhibited this same type of behavior and it is the motherboard that is dying. 170 fsb is the max anymore when 230 was the max when I first got the board. Problem = bad caps
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Definately check out the motherboard. IIRC, motherboards around that era (Socket A's golden age of overclocking) were tainted with cheap knock-off capacitors. My Gigabyte board died a slow death due to those caps.

Just take a look at the caps and see if any of them are leaking or domed. If so, there's your culprit.
 
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Friday

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Well, I've had a breakthrough. The new CPU came in the mail, an AQYHA, and this performed no better. I tried to push this as well, and would up the voltage to 1.725. Using the AbitEQ software supplied with my board, I'd monitor the actual cpu voltage readings. While the CPU voltage itself was good, an error appeared with the -5v readings. In the AbitEQ, this showed up as only -3.5, with the reading as being colored red, aka, warning. I rebooted, went into the BIOS, and found the -5 reading showing up as -61.9!!! Well, I swapped the power supply, and things seemed to have smoothed out. So far, I've only attempted 2000mhz@200FSB, and it runs stable at 1.725v. Today, there is a computer trade show in Mt Clemons, MI. So, it looks like I'll be shopping...

Edit: I did check the capicitors, all which have a "K" pattern. These are good. I did replace the glue under the chipset fan/heatsink with silver heatsink compound.
 
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ForumMaster

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have you tried simply reapplying AS5 and cleaning the heatsink? i have the 2400+ Mobile @2200Mhz and it idles at 33-36C depending on the weather.
 
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Friday

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Originally posted by: ForumMaster
have you tried simply reapplying AS5 and cleaning the heatsink?
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Many times, actually. Its currently running at 40' and holding steady at 2000@200fsb.

So, this whole time, it turns out to be my power supply as the culprit. The old one was an Antec TruePower 2.0, and its been replaced by some cheapo AGI 400w unit. Its heavy. I really don't know the quality of the AGI line. Its working now, so I'm happy with that.

 
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AMD K5

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Yea Overclocking isn't as bad as people make it.. i had a pentium 200 overclocked to 300mhz windows stable... and my pentium 3 733 to 850mhz stable i even had it at 950 once... and it still works fine...
 
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