Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Just sell the boat, they suck money worse than the computer habit and require alot more work
LOL- true enough.
LOL- true enough.
nitromullet
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Maybe, be you still aren't in the 7k range with your 3DMark05 score, so I don't think you quite have it all down yet. Also, dry ice isn't really a realistic solution. If you want to mention OC'ing with dry ice, what kind of numbers would you get with a dry ice cooled SLI setup? Hats off to the guys who got that insane 3dMark score with the OC'ed X800 XTPE, but I know I will never do that with my rig. However, I might someday buy an SLI setup.
Ronin
Diamond Member
Originally posted by: OnEMoReTrY
Originally posted by: Ronin
This simply proves that it's going to take ATi more than a dry ice cooled XT PE to beat nVidia
Well obviously two cards are gonna be better then one in this situation. However the XT PE does not equal 1100 bux like the nvidias and performs quite similarly
ATi used macci's benchmark as a comparison to what the original SLI benchmark did. So don't spout off about that crap. And saying that the XT PE performs similarly is simply assinine. You need to get your information straight before you start posting information that's wholely inaccurate. Let's dry ice cool the 6800U's and see what happens, eh?
Ronin
Diamond Member
Really? Interesting, because if you *know*, then perhaps you should get on and do it yourself, eh? Because your score sucks for your setup
I already took my panties off. Yeah, NVIDIA PR hired that notorious 3dfx weasel. Or was he fired? Anyhoo, no point in getting all hot and bothered until some objective reviews come out, if not until product is actually available!
The INQ seriously needs to lay off the cutesy lingo such as marchitecture, chipzilla, chimpzilla, punter, boffin, etc. It's like they have some queer form of Tourrette's where that crap has to be worked into every article.
Check out the article Nforce 4 article: "What you simply can not miss on this motherboard is its yellow socket." Huh? Looks like a yellow sticker protecting the socket to me.
The INQ seriously needs to lay off the cutesy lingo such as marchitecture, chipzilla, chimpzilla, punter, boffin, etc. It's like they have some queer form of Tourrette's where that crap has to be worked into every article.
Check out the article Nforce 4 article: "What you simply can not miss on this motherboard is its yellow socket." Huh? Looks like a yellow sticker protecting the socket to me.
Originally posted by: Ronin
Really? Interesting, because if you *know*, then perhaps you should get on and do it yourself, eh? Because your score sucks for your setup
Don't really care about my score, I only can do 1280x1024 and there is simply nothing that cant run maxed at that right now, when theres something that challenges that then yes I probably will run it at dry ice, or invest in a new card.
Ronin
Diamond Member
Or you're just blowin smoke up everyone's @ss. You're too new here for anyone to believe a statement like that, and you certainly have any way to back it up. Perhaps when you can, you can come back and chat with the big boys.
Perhaps when you can, you can come back and chat with the big boys.This is enough to make anyone drool. Almost 10k on 3dmark05 is quite impressive. And its good to see Halo thrown in there for some variance. (opengl, dx9, synthetic)
At $2 a day, you would be able to operate the dry ice X800 for 290 days before the cost of ice and card became equal to the sli setup.
Actually, it's $2 per 5 hours so thats 1450 hours of operation before the dry ice rig costs more than the sli rig.
Actually, it's $2 per 5 hours so thats 1450 hours of operation before the dry ice rig costs more than the sli rig.
Coem on guys, lets wait till some REAL benchmarks come out. U never knoe, it could be even better....
Or ur gonna need one hell of a machine to run 2 cards, u never know so we should wait before flaming.
But come on, nV is slapping 2 of their newest cores and best cards together to beat 1, 2-3 year old core....
Or ur gonna need one hell of a machine to run 2 cards, u never know so we should wait before flaming.
But come on, nV is slapping 2 of their newest cores and best cards together to beat 1, 2-3 year old core....
If that is what nVidia is doing to win then ATI should do the same thing, until they do then nVidia will clearely be the fastest solution by as much as 2x...
Actually, "nVidia is slapping together 2 of their newest cores that are approximately equal to ATIs best core to make a rig that is far superior to anything ATI offers" is a more accurate way to put this.
who uses Halo as a benchmark? wasn't that game one of the worst ports or something? you get low frames even on a high end system and graphics suck.
wasn't that game one of the worst ports or something? you get low frames even on a high end system and graphics suck.Rollo, except u missed out the bit where u have to pay double the price... And u dont get exactly double the performance.
apoppin
Lifer
ATI already tried "SLI" - the Radeon MAXX was a driver DISASTER.
\:shocked:
And nVidia has already been working on SLI for 2-1/2 years . . . . UNLESS ati has ALREADY been working on it, it's gonna be "awhile".
:roll:
Except the MAXX wasn't 2 seperate cores on 2 seperate PCB's
Every visualisation or specialized rendering boxes containing any ATI GPU is going to be running an SLI type setup, and both companies' GPU's already work in multi GPU configurations natively and have been that way for a long time
apoppin
Lifer
However you call it, the Radeon MAXX was a DISASTER for ati and it destroyed confidence in their (crap) drivers for years to come (until the 9700p).
The r300 is the first ati core to have multi-GPU configuration built into the core . . . . i imagine ati IS working on SLI . . . . or else they really have lost their performace crown.
:roll:
Why should they have to do any work on it? Again systems from people like SGI already have drivers and setups just like SLI running and running well even using different methods then AFR and regular SLI
Originally posted by: apoppin
ATI already tried "SLI" - the Radeon MAXX was a driver DISASTER.
\:shocked:
And nVidia has already been working on SLI for 2-1/2 years . . . . UNLESS ati has ALREADY been working on it, it's gonna be "awhile".
:roll:
ATI is not the same company that they were when they made the Radeon MAXX.
Regardless, this is a win for Nvidia; to have SLI isn't a bad thing, although it's importance is definately overblown, IMO. Dual 6800GT's would be nice but heck, most people can't even afford one (or have the sense not to drop $800 on soon-to-be-outdated video cards). For people who really want it, though, it's great.
I think a bigger win for nVidia right now is that the 6800GT is the best price/performance card at the moment, while the 6600GT is the best in it's price segment. Having SLI is just the icing on the cake.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Originally posted by: apoppin
ATI already tried "SLI" - the Radeon MAXX was a driver DISASTER.
\:shocked:
And nVidia has already been working on SLI for 2-1/2 years . . . . UNLESS ati has ALREADY been working on it, it's gonna be "awhile".
:roll:
ATI is not the same company that they were when they made the Radeon MAXX.
Regardless, this is a win for Nvidia; to have SLI isn't a bad thing, although it's importance is definately overblown, IMO. Dual 6800GT's would be nice but heck, most people can't even afford one (or have the sense not to drop $800 on soon-to-be-outdated video cards). For people who really want it, though, it's great.
I think a bigger win for nVidia right now is that the 6800GT is the best price/performance card at the moment, while the 6600GT is the best in it's price segment. Having SLI is just the icing on the cake.
Not the "same" company?
what - ~FOUR years ago?
Who bought them?
:shocked:
i have had ati cards in my rig since Rage . . . . ati has had (and is having) its share of "screw-ups".
:roll:
You never get double the performance at the extreme high end. You are seeing the beginning of a revolution though Dravyn.
Back when V2 SLI was the stuff, everyone who was anyone had it. (and it offered nowhere near double performance, just noticeably better)
The people with money will buy them immediately. Those doing "OK" will wait for MSRP. Everyone else will want it.
Those who have to have the fastest will have only SLI options.
Hopefully this spurs ATI to release another MAXX- I'd love to play with one of those again almost as much as SLI- they both ranked way up there for me.
Originally posted by: apoppin
ATI already tried "SLI" - the Radeon MAXX was a driver DISASTER.
\:shocked:
And nVidia has already been working on SLI for 2-1/2 years . . . . UNLESS ati has ALREADY been working on it, it's gonna be "awhile".
:roll:
First off you could argue the single chip Rages had terrible driver support, and in fact it wasn't until later in the Radeon 8500's life that it could be argued that ATI had drivers on par with nVidia's (ie the Catalysts).
As far ast he 2.5 years, if that's true then yes unless ATI has something up their sleave then they are probably in some trouble but it seems unlikely as they've been sitting on the R300 tech for such a long time it seems unlikely they don't have some wild card to draw. Heck, if multi GPU tech becomes a big battle ground ATI could even team up with Alienware and their video array that can work with any video card...
I serioulsy doubt ATI is going to team up with a tier one nVidia vendor, especially now when they don't really have anything to offer Alienware to make them want to jeopardize their status?
In any case, the MAXX wasn't as bad some of you are making it out to be- one of my favorite cards ever.
apoppin
Lifer
That's exactly what the Inq says. :shocked:Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Originally posted by: apoppin
ATI already tried "SLI" - the Radeon MAXX was a driver DISASTER.
\:shocked:
And nVidia has already been working on SLI for 2-1/2 years . . . . UNLESS ati has ALREADY been working on it, it's gonna be "awhile".
:roll:
First off you could argue the single chip Rages had terrible driver support, and in fact it wasn't until later in the Radeon 8500's life that it could be argued that ATI had drivers on par with nVidia's (ie the Catalysts).
As far ast he 2.5 years, if that's true then yes unless ATI has something up their sleave then they are probably in some trouble but it seems unlikely as they've been sitting on the R300 tech for such a long time it seems unlikely they don't have some wild card to draw. Heck, if multi GPU tech becomes a big battle ground ATI could even team up with Alienware and their video array that can work with any video card...
No the single chip Rages had "fair' driver support (and great image quality) - the MAXX was a disaster - zero support for Win2K although ATI promised it.
The "issue" - as i understand it - is creating great drivers for SLI support . . . . nVidia has been working on it evidently for at least a couple of years . . . .
imo, i really DO believe ATI has "SLI" in a basement (not "low Priority"; rather "Top Secret") . . ..
and they DO have a new "wildcard" - r520 - the X-Box II GPU.
nitromullet
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Either that, or they could have squandered all their R&D resources on the Xbox II GPU, so nVidia has caught them with their pants down. Only time will tell. However, I do find it interesting that neither nVidia or Intel, the suppliers for the GPU and CPU for the first Xbox, aren't back for the encore. Maybe partnering with Redmond isn't all it's cracked up to be, not to mention the fact that the hardware side if consoles is a losing proposition. The real money is in software.
I see none of these existing solutions on http://www.sgi.com. The only dual ATi GPU setup I have seen is this apparently non-functioning dual 9800Pro from Sapphire.
http://www.dvhardware.net/article.php?sid=1914
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11702
In addition, SGI doesn't run Windows, but IRIX, so I doubt that any development that they may have with regards to dual ATi chips will translate into anything workable on the desktop in the near future.
Honestly, I do hope that ATi either has some sort of dual setup or that R500 is amazing because we all benefit from the competition, and I don't see XGI stepping up any time soon.
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