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Slavery reparations gaining momentum
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She would not be a US slave as defined for the Civil War, etc.
She may have been an indentured servant in the early 1900s or brought over from another country where slavery was legal.
The oldest person in the US is estimated to be no more that 110-120 years.
As posted above, she would not be from the Civil War era when slavery was then abolished..
A quick read through this thread is like a guided tour of racism and bigotry in America. You people act as if "these people", "black people", are the only people in America that get a "hand out" when in fact the greatest number of people getting a "hand out" has always been white people and indeed the "hand outs" have dwindled over recent years due to Clinton's welfare reform of the 90's. But you people feel free to continue to make your racially inflammatory bigoted statements. It's good to see nothing has really changed with so many of you who have been here for a mere fraction of the time that the people who you criticize, people who were brought here like animals in shackels, in a diaspora that saw the deaths of up to an estimated 25 million human beings.
TheAdvocate
Platinum Member
This entire issue is a straw man for specops to knock down to win easy points for his anti-"entitlement" campaign. Gotta get some momentum since his other arguments are so bad.
I'm not racist I?m prejudice. If poor white people wanted extra handouts I?d offer them a boat to Africa as well. I think most blacks that have actually worked for a living feel the same way about handouts.
If you think about it handouts and welfare is what has been keeping many blacks down for so long. Why should they work or get an education when they can do nothing and get free money.
Nothing would please me more than to see more blacks becoming educated and making it on their own.
😀Its really more complicated than "Hand outs" and people "being lazy." thinking the most oppressed and historcally hardest working people in America as a group that is now lazy is interesting but unsophisticated thinking at the best. And thats the issue with America. It is about "White Supremacy" and "White America" It is not by coincidence that every strugle that black people have been trying to over come within american was waged Against America itself. "America" has not really been for black peopld and black people feel and are still 2nd class citizens. That is the issue. Black people still are not full Americans. The problems that we have with crime/drugs/poverty in our neighborhoods are "Black Problems" not "American Problems" I cant say this is a good thing or a bad thing butit is definalty "A Thing" When it all comes down to it, i would say that Nobody is to blame but America itself. The experiment of slavery/emancipation/integration/modernization of blacks in the US has not worked for black people for the most part. At least thats how it seems to me. There is no group to blame for that, only America.
How fast do people actually think such changes can be made with an entire group of people. Look at Africa and Colonialism, after it ended everything is not just going to work flawlessly after 50 years? Look at the crime and violence in places like SA. And compare some african countries to others (1) that have not been colonized by EU; Ethiopia, and look at the cime in violence in a place like that. Look how they take much pride in their culture VS Black Americans that are cultureless and tought everything "Started FROM Slavery"
1 - There will never be any REAL "Reparations" to black people in the US. If the US gave the 40 Acres and a Mule the first time we wouldnt be having this discussion and i am SURE that more black people would be in a better position than they are today.
2 - In order for white / black relations to be better we have to have relationships that are MORE THAN TRANSACTIONAL RELATIONSHIPS. We may have "Black Friends" or "White Friends" but these are just titles, everything is trasactional. - Employees, Classmates, Team mates, Student/teacher etc etc etc. Most relationships between whites/blacks are not relationships found around - spiritual/social circles or between Neighbors. This is why there is such a deep disconnect. This is all i have to say really. I am not the Expert in Black people but i can make the attempt in giving you a glimpse into what SOME of us think. The people that i work with were scared for me when i told them i got a home in 07103 are code. They refused to come to my housewarming....What kind of REAL relationship can i have with them. Again this is not good/bad just my observation.
Edit: Yea and this board is full of Bigots, I dont think you can really argue anything by typing 1 snark sentance and not thinking about the big picture. I think we can all be helped by making more observations of events and noting trends. Evertything is not good/bad/black/white. BTW how many of you wash your rice before you cook it?
How fast do people actually think such changes can be made with an entire group of people. Look at Africa and Colonialism, after it ended everything is not just going to work flawlessly after 50 years? Look at the crime and violence in places like SA. And compare some african countries to others (1) that have not been colonized by EU; Ethiopia, and look at the cime in violence in a place like that. Look how they take much pride in their culture VS Black Americans that are cultureless and tought everything "Started FROM Slavery"
1 - There will never be any REAL "Reparations" to black people in the US. If the US gave the 40 Acres and a Mule the first time we wouldnt be having this discussion and i am SURE that more black people would be in a better position than they are today.
2 - In order for white / black relations to be better we have to have relationships that are MORE THAN TRANSACTIONAL RELATIONSHIPS. We may have "Black Friends" or "White Friends" but these are just titles, everything is trasactional. - Employees, Classmates, Team mates, Student/teacher etc etc etc. Most relationships between whites/blacks are not relationships found around - spiritual/social circles or between Neighbors. This is why there is such a deep disconnect. This is all i have to say really. I am not the Expert in Black people but i can make the attempt in giving you a glimpse into what SOME of us think. The people that i work with were scared for me when i told them i got a home in 07103 are code. They refused to come to my housewarming....What kind of REAL relationship can i have with them. Again this is not good/bad just my observation.
Edit: Yea and this board is full of Bigots, I dont think you can really argue anything by typing 1 snark sentance and not thinking about the big picture. I think we can all be helped by making more observations of events and noting trends. Evertything is not good/bad/black/white. BTW how many of you wash your rice before you cook it?
I agree completely. I'm Mexican-American, and I hate lazy ****** who wont give a job. When you have people who travelled several hundred miles from Mexico to come here to work, its hard to feel sorry for people who are too lazy to get a ****** job.
The ones I hate the worst are the whites who beg. ****** that ******. My mother currently lives in Oregon and she tells me there are alot of 20ish year old "kids" there that go around all day begging people for money. She tells me that she has been to Mexico and seen people who live in real poverty that she would never give any money to someone who is just too lazy to work, and I agree.
Few people are truly "Lazy" Most poeple want the american dream. A house, some kids, a minivan and a nice safe living to raise kids in. There are other issues involved that would make a young adult beg on the corner. There is no shallow answer such as people being "Lazy".....Yeah "Women were housewives in the 1900's becuase they were lazy." "More black men are going to jail than college because they are "Lazy" It doesnt make sense.
marvdmartian
Diamond Member
Here's a simple solution. 🙂
Remember on the tax returns, they have that little yes/no box that you can donate a dollar to the presidential election fund? Let's put one right next to it! We'll call it the "former slave reparation fund", and people can donate a dollar out of their tax refund to it. All monies collected will go toward paying reparations to the decendants of former slaves.
Let's see how much money they'll get off of that!! 😉
Remember on the tax returns, they have that little yes/no box that you can donate a dollar to the presidential election fund? Let's put one right next to it! We'll call it the "former slave reparation fund", and people can donate a dollar out of their tax refund to it. All monies collected will go toward paying reparations to the decendants of former slaves.
Let's see how much money they'll get off of that!! 😉
krunchykrome
Lifer
We might as well bring slavery back if we're gonna start compensating people for it.
mattpegher
Platinum Member
Considering my previous post. (Taxing companies only with ties to slavery, and using the money to research ways to equalize the opportunities of minorities) Does any one have any ideas of possible mechanisms to investigate.
I will say again giving money to decendants of slaves will not solve anything, and furthermore any one who would accept such money is profitting from the ill of their children. Does any one think that for one minute this money if handed to the individual will make a difference in their long term success or the success of their decendants.
One thing that seems to be a theme of the portrayal of exslaves was their desire to make a better life for their children. Dispite the hard work of many African-americans, the effect of their communities on their children has been quite detrimental.
Changing this enviroment will not be easy. It will take more than changing opportunities for education and emplowment. It will take changing attitudes toward what the society values, especially devaluing money gained in illegal or unethical persuits.
Also, to bring in another thread, we must increase the minimum wage so that everyone in this country can atleast make enough to support themselves and their family without having to resort to crime.
I will say again giving money to decendants of slaves will not solve anything, and furthermore any one who would accept such money is profitting from the ill of their children. Does any one think that for one minute this money if handed to the individual will make a difference in their long term success or the success of their decendants.
One thing that seems to be a theme of the portrayal of exslaves was their desire to make a better life for their children. Dispite the hard work of many African-americans, the effect of their communities on their children has been quite detrimental.
Changing this enviroment will not be easy. It will take more than changing opportunities for education and emplowment. It will take changing attitudes toward what the society values, especially devaluing money gained in illegal or unethical persuits.
Also, to bring in another thread, we must increase the minimum wage so that everyone in this country can atleast make enough to support themselves and their family without having to resort to crime.
wow where did this thread come from
#1 the first slave owners in the US were not African, thats ludicrous lol--Id hate to see your history grades. and by the way the portugese arent African either and they started the "Trans Atlantic" Slave trade. There have been slave of varying degrees in all nations thorughout history and the first Africans on US soil were not slaves --read up on jamestown 1619 and the mexican city of olmec. but thats besides the point. and even if it was African who was the first slave owner African indentured servitude/slavery is far different than--- Im going to welt your back up, rape your women, leave you uneducated, and oh yeah seperate your children from the family becuase this is bigger , this one is ligher etc... that only happened in THIS trans atlantic slave trade very different concept
this is sooo small in the window of human existence, but lets keep it real, you cant wipe the slate clean on opression in five minutes, nor can you expect handouts for it forever
still havent seen one slave handout yets though, for what its worth. welfare, minority scholarships, affirmative action--dont make up or even remotely equal to the free labor this country and europe garner for over 400 years why buikding this newest western empire--
as with welfare youa re still super poor, scholarships half the able perspective students are in jail, and putting up quotas not only limits potential but puts those groups not involved in the defensive (the White women in the 1960's and beyond that benefited dramatically from the influx in the us workforce sure didnt seem to mind it though lol)
thats not good nation building IMO
not saying tear it down , since I like my ipod, and chevy;s but let be honest about where it came from
and I really dislike when people lessen the impact of modern day slavery as if it was just oooh so long ago, last I checked African American people could not even vote in the US till 1964, there are still may pictures in the history books of of people gathering to see men hangin in trees from 1950's. those people are still alive folks
I dont believe in handouts , and or liens, holds quotas, or even welfare. but if you want the fight to be equal at least make the field level in a nation that is BUILT by ALL OF US. and lets please not act like there is a truly equal interaction of race relations in this country. For some reason there are still millions of people who just dont like the fact that the US is a multi ethinic, multi religious nation
some Whites dont like African Americans, Some Mexicans dont like East INdians, whatever there are some serious biases that perouse this country and will continue until proper dialog, and real semi equal environment of education is created--cant be too equal this is still capitalism
#2 Africa was not a "developing" country when this all began. Africa had been through many egyptian dynasties (only the later ones were mixed and or muslim/european based), Cush, Mali, Ghana, shongay, bantu in South Africa etc many ups and down of human development waaaay before any of this started--there is a reason there are those nice towers in old greece, ask herodotus
those west african leaders,and late era egyptians were crazy to think that anyone who wants your indentured servants wont come back and get you too lol, but that doesnt mean that mathematics, philosohpy, civil engineering,and medicine didnt already have a basis while europe was stilll struggling to build itself
civilization rise and fall, some win some lose but dont act like Africa had nothing going prior to the trans atlantic slave trade
#3 the largest us ethinc population on welfare are White--get your records straight. still dont understand why the image of the welfare queen is a so distorted as rising out of the African American Family, but by numbers thats really not the case
#4 reperations will never happen nor do I think most African Americans want it.as it would destroy the US economy. If a group of people that helped build the nation for FREE and now exist of about 5M or so.
Considering the service put into the country, say its 100,000 to put it CHEAP --NO way the us government issues check to 5M people totaling 500 Billion , see what I mean.
a better solution would be
#1 educate the ENTIRE us prison community to a 2 yr AA level, so when they are released they are actually functional of which 50% are African American seems a tad suspect if you ask me, so they can read, write and at least understand the laws, etc that effect them once they are released
#2 make all us primary education EQUAL to a commiserate level irregardless of comunity income. some will still be better--obvioulsy, but maybe something like all books have to be replaced every two years, and all teacher have to have proepr paperwork, a nd all schools have to have commiserate facilties and curriculum
#3 equal adjudication to all criminals regardless of ethnic group
#4 actually talk about racism as a real topic of success hinderance, and teach ethnic diversity as a mandatory thing, not after thought or single hyphenated month or day of some single month. So people actually knwo each other, so that life of a child is worth gold no matter tha background, so drugs dont proliferate only certain communities, so police protection is uniform and respected by all, so when jobs, college admissions, elite military forces etc positions are needed, that these opportunities are NOT biased immediately upon racial divides. so that US is actual a REAL NATION of connectivity of many different flavors, not just these miniplexes
then let the chips fall where they may thats REAL REPERATIONS
and can we please let go of the "then go back to africa" talk, last I checked Europeans did not occupy this land orginally, nor do they have ordained rights to it, north america is just the most current established dynasty. and I doubt very few peple of european descent want to go back to france or wherever , when they disagree about some legislation
sure hasnt been a race to the airport after the patriot act, or the war in iraq
the Us is what it is and what it created a land of varying people trying to make a life better for themselves and there families. some agree some dont, but that doesnt mean you are going to mass deprt a entire groupd of dissidents because they dont like starbucks lol
those are just a few tidbits IMO
AND DID YOU NOTICE THE THREAD STARTER DID NOT ENABLE A PROFILE hmmmm
#1 the first slave owners in the US were not African, thats ludicrous lol--Id hate to see your history grades. and by the way the portugese arent African either and they started the "Trans Atlantic" Slave trade. There have been slave of varying degrees in all nations thorughout history and the first Africans on US soil were not slaves --read up on jamestown 1619 and the mexican city of olmec. but thats besides the point. and even if it was African who was the first slave owner African indentured servitude/slavery is far different than--- Im going to welt your back up, rape your women, leave you uneducated, and oh yeah seperate your children from the family becuase this is bigger , this one is ligher etc... that only happened in THIS trans atlantic slave trade very different concept
this is sooo small in the window of human existence, but lets keep it real, you cant wipe the slate clean on opression in five minutes, nor can you expect handouts for it forever
still havent seen one slave handout yets though, for what its worth. welfare, minority scholarships, affirmative action--dont make up or even remotely equal to the free labor this country and europe garner for over 400 years why buikding this newest western empire--
as with welfare youa re still super poor, scholarships half the able perspective students are in jail, and putting up quotas not only limits potential but puts those groups not involved in the defensive (the White women in the 1960's and beyond that benefited dramatically from the influx in the us workforce sure didnt seem to mind it though lol)
thats not good nation building IMO
not saying tear it down , since I like my ipod, and chevy;s but let be honest about where it came from
and I really dislike when people lessen the impact of modern day slavery as if it was just oooh so long ago, last I checked African American people could not even vote in the US till 1964, there are still may pictures in the history books of of people gathering to see men hangin in trees from 1950's. those people are still alive folks
I dont believe in handouts , and or liens, holds quotas, or even welfare. but if you want the fight to be equal at least make the field level in a nation that is BUILT by ALL OF US. and lets please not act like there is a truly equal interaction of race relations in this country. For some reason there are still millions of people who just dont like the fact that the US is a multi ethinic, multi religious nation
some Whites dont like African Americans, Some Mexicans dont like East INdians, whatever there are some serious biases that perouse this country and will continue until proper dialog, and real semi equal environment of education is created--cant be too equal this is still capitalism
#2 Africa was not a "developing" country when this all began. Africa had been through many egyptian dynasties (only the later ones were mixed and or muslim/european based), Cush, Mali, Ghana, shongay, bantu in South Africa etc many ups and down of human development waaaay before any of this started--there is a reason there are those nice towers in old greece, ask herodotus
those west african leaders,and late era egyptians were crazy to think that anyone who wants your indentured servants wont come back and get you too lol, but that doesnt mean that mathematics, philosohpy, civil engineering,and medicine didnt already have a basis while europe was stilll struggling to build itself
civilization rise and fall, some win some lose but dont act like Africa had nothing going prior to the trans atlantic slave trade
#3 the largest us ethinc population on welfare are White--get your records straight. still dont understand why the image of the welfare queen is a so distorted as rising out of the African American Family, but by numbers thats really not the case
#4 reperations will never happen nor do I think most African Americans want it.as it would destroy the US economy. If a group of people that helped build the nation for FREE and now exist of about 5M or so.
Considering the service put into the country, say its 100,000 to put it CHEAP --NO way the us government issues check to 5M people totaling 500 Billion , see what I mean.
a better solution would be
#1 educate the ENTIRE us prison community to a 2 yr AA level, so when they are released they are actually functional of which 50% are African American seems a tad suspect if you ask me, so they can read, write and at least understand the laws, etc that effect them once they are released
#2 make all us primary education EQUAL to a commiserate level irregardless of comunity income. some will still be better--obvioulsy, but maybe something like all books have to be replaced every two years, and all teacher have to have proepr paperwork, a nd all schools have to have commiserate facilties and curriculum
#3 equal adjudication to all criminals regardless of ethnic group
#4 actually talk about racism as a real topic of success hinderance, and teach ethnic diversity as a mandatory thing, not after thought or single hyphenated month or day of some single month. So people actually knwo each other, so that life of a child is worth gold no matter tha background, so drugs dont proliferate only certain communities, so police protection is uniform and respected by all, so when jobs, college admissions, elite military forces etc positions are needed, that these opportunities are NOT biased immediately upon racial divides. so that US is actual a REAL NATION of connectivity of many different flavors, not just these miniplexes
then let the chips fall where they may thats REAL REPERATIONS
and can we please let go of the "then go back to africa" talk, last I checked Europeans did not occupy this land orginally, nor do they have ordained rights to it, north america is just the most current established dynasty. and I doubt very few peple of european descent want to go back to france or wherever , when they disagree about some legislation
sure hasnt been a race to the airport after the patriot act, or the war in iraq
the Us is what it is and what it created a land of varying people trying to make a life better for themselves and there families. some agree some dont, but that doesnt mean you are going to mass deprt a entire groupd of dissidents because they dont like starbucks lol
those are just a few tidbits IMO
AND DID YOU NOTICE THE THREAD STARTER DID NOT ENABLE A PROFILE hmmmm
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