Sixty percent of all Americans strongly want the country to change direction.

[JD50]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Muse
And yet there is not the will and/or political machinery to stop him from doing what he's doing. That's what is so disconcerting about the American political landscape. And the Republicans actually impeached Clinton for lying about cheating on his wife. This is one sick country.

Let me correct the record, as I routinely have to do.

Clinton was not impeached for a blowjob, or for cheating on Hillary. He was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice.

True, but given the current President, it seems lying about cheating on your Wife is more Impeachable then lying about Iraq or other things that have actual consequence. Hell, hardly a week goes by without the Bush Admin obstructing investigations. Yet he sits safe from Impeachment. Obviously Clinton's Impeachment was politically motivated and an abuse of Power, if it wasn't Bush would already be Impeached.

Funny thing about the whole justice system, you actually have to have PROOF. If there was PROOF that Bush lied to get us into Iraq, he would have been charged by now. Now, if there is proof and he hasn't been charged, then you are supporting the decision not to charge him everytime you vote for any Republican or Democrat incumbent. So what is it Sandorski, is there no proof, or are you supporting congress not charging him? Or maybe you don't vote for any incumbents, but somehow I doubt that.

I won't be voting, I'm not an American. There's plenty of Proof, no one wants to pursue Action.

Links? Please don't pull a Harvey and pull a bunch of cherry picked quotes by the Bush administration, you have to actually show some proof that the Bush administration knew that Iraq did NOT have WMDs at the same time that they were making these statements.

Been over this millions of times. I'd say "Search", but the Search function here has gone to hell. Wade through old threads if you're interested in it. If you choose not to, that's alright, I sure wouldn't spend the time either.

There has never once been anything posted that shows that GWB knew that Iraq did not have WMDs during the run up to the Iraq war. The only thing that you will find is numerous cherry picked quotes by certain BDS sufferers of Bush saying that Iraq has WMDs. They do not show where Bush knew that Iraq did not have WMDs at the same time that he was making those statements.

 

[Lemon law]

Get a life and don't be a fool JD50. Tools like you could watch GWB rape a new born infant at high noon on the court house square from 10 feet away, and you would be still be convinced it was a democratic impostor framing GWB. Even if the crime were proved with DNA evidence, you would claim the test was rigged.

You remind of the famous Earl Landgrebe quote as the last Nixon supporter in the House shortly before the Nixon resignation. " My mind's made up, don't confuse me with the facts."

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
If Clinton wins the WH, the only direction we'll be headed in is due south.

Exactly what direction do you think the Republicans have been taking us?

 

[First]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: palehorse74
If Clinton wins the WH, the only direction we'll be headed in is due south.

Exactly what direction do you think the Republicans have been taking us?

Well, what's south of south? Yes, that's right, hell.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Get a life and don't be a fool JD50. Tools like you could watch GWB rape a new born infant at high noon on the court house square from 10 feet away, and you would be still be convinced it was a democratic impostor framing GWB. Even if the crime were proved with DNA evidence, you would claim the test was rigged.

You remind of the famous Earl Landgrebe quote as the last Nixon supporter in the House shortly before the Nixon resignation. " My mind's made up, don't confuse me with the facts."

You're pretty fucking disguting.

BTW, I'll be waiting for the proof that GWB knew that Iraq did NOT have WMDs while you're busy fantasizing about whatever it is thats going through your sick mind.

 

[ranmaniac]

I just wish at least 60% of the American people would actually vote in the election to actually try to get the change of direction.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

60% want a new direction but... what direction do they want to head?

I think it's folly to assume that they want specific Dem control. The Dems are just the only option. Douche... Turd Sandwich. Pick one.

Wanting anything but what we have now is not the same as a referemdum for the Dems. Hell... if that's your mandate then you have more problems than the republicans do.

I'm not trying to play the party game here... but after everything we saw up to 2004, the country still chose Bush and kept the Rs in charge of the congress. Since then (and before then) the Rs have done nothing but abuse their power, waste money and generally act in the opposite manner that people assumed they would.... Basically they behaved like Dems on crack.

The US is still in love with the idea of the traditional concept of the R party. That's how Bush got reelected. But right now they (me included) are tired of the RINOs that are ruining the concept of conservatism. So fuck'em. I might not vote for a D... But I might vote for an L. OR a true conservative... if given the option.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
60% want a new direction but... what direction do they want to head?

I think it's folly to assume that they want specific Dem control. The Dems are just the only option. Douche... Turd Sandwich. Pick one.

Wanting anything but what we have now is not the same as a referemdum for the Dems. Hell... if that's your mandate then you have more problems than the republicans do.

I'm not trying to play the party game here... but after everything we saw up to 2004, the country still chose Bush and kept the Rs in charge of the congress. Since then (and before then) the Rs have done nothing but abuse their power, waste money and generally act in the opposite manner that people assumed they would.... Basically they behaved like Dems on crack.
The US is still in love with the idea of the traditional concept of the R party. That's how Bush got reelected. But right now they (me included) are tired of the RINOs that are ruining the concept of conservatism. So fuck'em. I might not vote for a D... But I might vote for an L. OR a true conservative... if given the option.

QFMFT

 

[Red Dawn]

I don't hate him, I hate what he and his supporters has done to our country.

 

[StageLeft]

That's it? That means the rest are @*#$ing idiots.

Anyway regarding a recession the last thing I'd do, though recessions are somewhat self-fulfilling prophecies, is take the opinion of the layperson on economical matters. Most cannot even spell 401k, so what they say about the economy is worse than worthless.

There has never once been anything posted that shows that GWB knew that Iraq did not have WMDs during the run up to the Iraq war. The only thing that you will find is numerous cherry picked quotes by certain BDS sufferers of Bush saying that Iraq has WMDs. They do not show where Bush knew that Iraq did not have WMDs at the same time that he was making those statements.

Maybe there is no proof and maybe common sense isn't worth enough to impeach on alone, but who really cares; the guy has blasphemed his office to such a degree that he should have stepped down anyway. If the US could get Clinton back I'd be happy personally being one of his daily interns if it would bring this country back to some semblance of competent leadership like it had prior to Dumbya.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Get a life and don't be a fool JD50. Tools like you could watch GWB rape a new born infant at high noon on the court house square from 10 feet away, and you would be still be convinced it was a democratic impostor framing GWB. Even if the crime were proved with DNA evidence, you would claim the test was rigged.

Sounds like the true believers club you are a charter member of, Lemon.

You would see a surveillance video of Bill Clinton robbing a bank at gunpoint, and defend him by saying that perhaps he would use the money for good purposes.

PS you calling anyone a "tool" brings the irony meter offline.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
However the 'other' 40% of the lemmings want to follow him off the cliff . . . .

Yeah, that is what surprises me the most, that 40% of ANY group can actually be that ignorant and arrogant.

It's really quite simple - insecure control freaks clinging to thier last hope of continued domination. Ultimate Power Trip.

 

[Jhhnn]

There has never once been anything posted that shows that GWB knew that Iraq did not have WMDs during the run up to the Iraq war. The only thing that you will find is numerous cherry picked quotes by certain BDS sufferers of Bush saying that Iraq has WMDs. They do not show where Bush knew that Iraq did not have WMDs at the same time that he was making those statements.

Please. the bushistas knew that the intelligence was inconclusive and stale, that it hadn't come up to the standards required to wage war during the Clinton years, or during the first months of their admin, either. But, of course, "9/11 changed everything!" allowing them to create and ride a wave of fearmongering and confusion to do what they'd wanted for years- invade Iraq...

To claim that such "isn't lying!" attempts to redefine the whole concept of lying, and obfuscates the admin's obligation to maintain the public trust...

And this lame bit of obfuscation is in the same vein-

the poll doesn't show what direction though. 60% but it could be 50% more to the left, 10% more to the right. Maybe its 30-30, maybe a lot of people want more action to the right. It kinda doesn't tell us much. many people disagree with bush, well duh look at his dismal approval ratings.

It'd be tough for anybody to make that statement with a straight face, other than one of the True Believers. Bush gave us "Hard Right Rudder and More Power, Scotty!"- how could we possibly take a course more to the right short of fascist dictatorship?

Remarkable how valiantly the Righties attempt to disconnect themselves from reality...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

There has never once been anything posted that shows that GWB knew that Iraq did not have WMDs during the run up to the Iraq war. The only thing that you will find is numerous cherry picked quotes by certain BDS sufferers of Bush saying that Iraq has WMDs. They do not show where Bush knew that Iraq did not have WMDs at the same time that he was making those statements.

Please. the bushistas knew that the intelligence was inconclusive and stale, that it hadn't come up to the standards required to wage war during the Clinton years, or during the first months of their admin, either. But, of course, "9/11 changed everything!" allowing them to create and ride a wave of fearmongering and confusion to do what they'd wanted for years- invade Iraq...

To claim that such "isn't lying!" attempts to redefine the whole concept of lying, and obfuscates the admin's obligation to maintain the public trust...

And this lame bit of obfuscation is in the same vein-

the poll doesn't show what direction though. 60% but it could be 50% more to the left, 10% more to the right. Maybe its 30-30, maybe a lot of people want more action to the right. It kinda doesn't tell us much. many people disagree with bush, well duh look at his dismal approval ratings.

It'd be tough for anybody to make that statement with a straight face, other than one of the True Believers. Bush gave us "Hard Right Rudder and More Power, Scotty!"- how could we possibly take a course more to the right short of fascist dictatorship?

Remarkable how valiantly the Righties attempt to disconnect themselves from reality...

"disconnect themselves from reality" Oh teh ironing! After a delusional rant like that? Puhleeze, you obviously do not know what reality is.

 

[KGB]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Muse
And yet there is not the will and/or political machinery to stop him from doing what he's doing. That's what is so disconcerting about the American political landscape. And the Republicans actually impeached Clinton for lying about cheating on his wife. This is one sick country.

Let me correct the record, as I routinely have to do.

Clinton was not impeached for a blowjob, or for cheating on Hillary. He was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice.

True, but given the current President, it seems lying about cheating on your Wife is more Impeachable then lying about Iraq or other things that have actual consequence. Hell, hardly a week goes by without the Bush Admin obstructing investigations. Yet he sits safe from Impeachment. Obviously Clinton's Impeachment was politically motivated and an abuse of Power, if it wasn't Bush would already be Impeached.

Funny thing about the whole justice system, you actually have to have PROOF. If there was PROOF that Bush lied to get us into Iraq, he would have been charged by now. Now, if there is proof and he hasn't been charged, then you are supporting the decision not to charge him everytime you vote for any Republican or Democrat incumbent. So what is it Sandorski, is there no proof, or are you supporting congress not charging him? Or maybe you don't vote for any incumbents, but somehow I doubt that.

I won't be voting, I'm not an American. There's plenty of Proof, no one wants to pursue Action.

Links? Please don't pull a Harvey and pull a bunch of cherry picked quotes by the Bush administration, you have to actually show some proof that the Bush administration knew that Iraq did NOT have WMDs at the same time that they were making these statements.

Have you read this?

 

[Pabster]

Get your RawStory crap outta here. Propaganda is frowned upon here.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: techs
We hate him and his policies to an extent never seen in this country.

There's a big difference between disagreeing with someone's policies and "hating" them.

Not that I'd expect a hack like yourself to understand that.

You are correct...and for the most part Americans feel both towards GWB. And a good percentage of us consider him the most vile, worthless waste of a politician ever to disgrace American soil and would be nothing but elated by his sudden and immediate death.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Get your RawStory crap outta here. Propaganda is frowned upon here.

Oversight by the House Judiciary Committe is a bee-otch, ain't it Pabs ?

In brief, we have found that there is substantial evidence the President, the Vice President and other high ranking members of the Bush Administration misled
Congress and the American people regarding the decision to go to war with Iraq;
misstated and manipulated intelligence information regarding the justification for
such war; countenanced torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment and
other legal violations in Iraq; and permitted inappropriate retaliation against critics of
their Administration.

There is a prima facie case that these actions by the President, Vice-President
and other members of the Bush Administration violated a number of federal laws,
including (1) Committing a Fraud against the United States; (2) Making False
Statements to Congress; (3) The War Powers Resolution; (4) Misuse of Government
Funds; (5) federal laws and international treaties prohibiting torture and cruel,
inhuman, and degrading treatment; (6) federal laws concerning retaliating against
witnesses and other individuals; and (7) federal laws and regulations concerning
leaking and other misuse of intelligence.

While these charges clearly rise to the level of impeachable misconduct,
because the Bush Administration and the Republican-controlled Congress have blocked
the ability of Members to obtain information directly from the Administration
concerning these matters, more investigatory authority is needed before
recommendations can be made regarding specific Articles of Impeachment. As a
result, we recommend that Congress establish a select committee with subpoena
authority to investigate the misconduct of the Bush Administration with regard to the
Iraq war detailed in this Report and report to the Committee on the Judiciary on
possible impeachable offenses.

The Constitution in Crisis: The Downing Street Minutes and Deception, Manipulation, Torture, Retribution, and Coverups in the Iraq War

Gosh, Pabs. All I've got to say about that is, "Let's impeach Cheney first."

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Genx87
These polls are so stupid because if you ask people about their personal lives 9 out of 10 claim they are happy and like the direction they are heading. I bet if you ask these people about their economic situation the rolls will reverse on a personal level.

In other words they buy into the daily spoon fed propaganda by the MSM while not believing it applies to them.

What does personal life have to do with feelings about the country as a whole? Sounds like you are trying to create the confusion.

You dont seen the contradiction?

If they dont believe it applies to themselves, why do they believe it applies to their neighbor? There is definately confusion imo in the people who are polled. I for one would like to see why they believe the country is going downhill, but believe they will somehow survive it fine and expect to prosper.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Get your RawStory crap outta here. Propaganda is frowned upon here.

Haha wow, this is exactly the kind of response that turned me off from trying to explain anything to you, Pabster. It's no wonder people show you little respect.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Haha wow, this is exactly the kind of response that turned me off from trying to explain anything to you, Pabster. It's no wonder people show you little respect.

I'll call bullshit when I see it, and anything with RawStory as the source or reference is just that.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: manowar821
Haha wow, this is exactly the kind of response that turned me off from trying to explain anything to you, Pabster. It's no wonder people show you little respect.

I'll call bullshit when I see it, and anything with RawStory as the source or reference is just that.

That's exactly what I'm doing, to you!

 

[KGB]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: manowar821
Haha wow, this is exactly the kind of response that turned me off from trying to explain anything to you, Pabster. It's no wonder people show you little respect.

I'll call bullshit when I see it, and anything with RawStory as the source or reference is just that.

I'm sorry. I couldn't find any links to the report on ANY right-wing websites at all.
I guess they prefer that no one have access to it.

 

[piasabird]

If you would have asked the same polls before the war started you would probably find that a majority of the people were for the war. So Polls really can not be used to lead a country. Sometimes unpopular things are what is better for the people.

Most people vote for what is popular for them financially. As long as you are not hurting them financially they dont care much.

This is why congress has such a low approval rating. They want a change in direction, but Pelosi is not the right direction to head.