Siri iphone 4s exclusive, but why?

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Fire&Blood

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3GS and 4 should be capable of it as well, hardware would be the limiting factor if the phone did all the processing instead of the remote servers.

I think it's a neat feature even if one doesn't use it often. English is my 3rd language and I have had frustrating experiences with ARS's when calling CS for any service or products. Android voice features have treated me ok, but bing voice was horrible, on the same phone, nonetheless. Judging by the initial impressions, Siri has some great algorithms which is why Apple bought them to begin with.
 

alent1234

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From the interview a few days ago siri's founder said the app store version from a few years ago is a gimped version due to hardware limitations
 

runawayprisoner

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Well, one entry. But does it know how to do the rest? I somehow doubt it.

The Original Siri is not the same as the New Siri. This was not a cut/paste development process.

How much horsepower the new Siri needs is really unknown. According to Apple, supposedly, it'll only run well on the iP4S, or at least at the speed that Apple is satisfied with. If you think about it, Siri is probably an intensive app. It has to geolocate, gather data, display data, speak, and take an action on that data if it requires it to.

Maybe Siri being 4S exclusive isn't a big deal, I'd rather wait and see its effectiveness.

It just has to record your voice, upload it to the cloud along with your geolocation data, and wait for results. I don't think such a task is that intensive.

Also there are other apps that "speak" in an even more perfect manner than Siri on the iPhone.

No, from a software engineering perspective, unless the iPhone 4 and 3GS are that slow, which I know for a fact that they aren't, there is no reason for Siri to "require" a dual-core processor.

Perhaps I'm missing something there, but again, the iPad 2 also has the same dual-core processor, and Siri is not available for it. So obviously hardware requirement goes beyond that dual-core processor if there was a requirement to begin with.

I think it's related to this but not in the same way. Given that Siri used to be a separate app, that meant it ran essentially by itself. That's fine as it will work on any of the phones just like similar apps (such as Shazaam). The Siri implementation in iOS 5 will be built into the OS, which means it's usable while any app is running or inside of an app.

Because of that, the application that is currently running still needs to be able to run. Chances are, this would not work well on a single-core system where you have two tasks vying for processing power at the same time.

I don't think this is the case at all.

For one, Apple has clearly stated that Siri works with internal apps. What they don't clarify is whether or not it works "with" other apps, and judging from the presentation, I would go out on a limb and say that it doesn't.

Also other features that are built into the OS, like... the multitasking bar, the notification center, and... the current Voice Control system on the 3GS and 4, all pause the current running apps instead of letting it run amok.

Also based on the presentation, Siri actually opens up its own space after speaking, like a separate app, complete with the regular app-switching animation whenever a query needs to take into Safari or another app, so I don't think it's running "alongside" anything at all.
 

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Well, one entry. But does it know how to do the rest? I somehow doubt it.



It just has to record your voice, upload it to the cloud along with your geolocation data, and wait for results. I don't think such a task is that intensive.
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But, we don't know how it works. I just hope there is APIs available to make it work for other apps, that'll be where it'll start coming into force.

Like others I'd prefer if it could be started by other then a button.
 

runawayprisoner

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But, we don't know how it works. I just hope there is APIs available to make it work for other apps, that'll be where it'll start coming into force.

Like others I'd prefer if it could be started by other then a button.

Well, developers are pretty much blind to it at this point. No hardware, no mention of new APIs, and iOS 5 GM is pretty much the finalization of new features for all known devices.

Not to say that Apple might not give us an API to work with, but at this point in time, I'm not seeing it in the Dev Portal, nor is it mentioned anywhere.

In fact, prior to the announcement yesterday, developers wouldn't know a single thing about Siri if it wasn't in the rumor mill.
 

Bateluer

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My guess would be an artificial limit to get those with iphone 4 to upgrade to the 4s.

This is why, right there. If you bought an iP4 at launch, you're likely getting close to upgrade time by now. And you've got a LOT of better, more powerful options from competitors.

Siri is going to be one of those features that you show off once or twice, then never use again. Not a reason by itself to purchase a 4S.
 

pm

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This is why, right there. If you bought an iP4 at launch, you're likely getting close to upgrade time by now. And you've got a LOT of better, more powerful options from competitors.

Siri is going to be one of those features that you show off once or twice, then never use again. Not a reason by itself to purchase a 4S.

I particularly like voice activated systems while driving. I'd use it more than once or twice. I think there's more appeal to Siri than just showing it off. Coupled with an in-car bluetooth system, I can picture it being pretty handy.
 
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akugami

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Ars Technica article on Siri. Interesting that Apple's iOS devices constitute 2/3 of Google's mobile traffic. And Google is probably not liking how Siri can impact their traffic, as outlined by the article. Probably will result in Google throwing more money at Apple to keep Google as the default search.
 

Doppel

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I basically hate voice activated anything, though I realize one day it won't be terrible. Maybe that day is soon...

Whatever the case, it's not relevant to people in many environments using this, from restaurant to work. You can't really talk to your phone telling it things to do. That would make us pine for the good ole days of simply being irritated by cell phone ring tones.
 

zerocool84

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I basically hate voice activated anything, though I realize one day it won't be terrible. Maybe that day is soon...

Whatever the case, it's not relevant to people in many environments using this, from restaurant to work. You can't really talk to your phone telling it things to do. That would make us pine for the good ole days of simply being irritated by cell phone ring tones.

Voice on my Nexus S works real damn well, from texting to finding food to directions to searching, it works great.
 

Mopetar

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I thought the following news article on msn.com was kinda funny!

http://money.msn.com/ways-to-invest/article.aspx?post=997fbbc3-2075-431b-8c24-6246f96aefa7&gt1=33044

Quote from article

" To the Japanese, the name Siri sounds almost identical to 尻, pronounced shiri. Shiri is a colloquialism for -- in the politest possible sense -- buttocks. Its proper usage, however, is crude. As Yoree Koh of The Wall Street Journalput it, the comparable term in English rhymes with "crass." Compliments for Apple's major new technology, likely to be the focus of marketing campaigns across the world, will make the speaker sound like a cat-calling construction worker in Japan. "

Probably a non-factor just like when some website brought up the fact that the Zune sounded like "F— off" in Hebrew; and remember how poorly Nintendo's last console sold because its name could be construed as a slang word for penis? Just like how no one gets help for mental conditions because who wants to go see the rapist?

Must be a slow news day over there.
 

Fire&Blood

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Ars Technica article on Siri. Interesting that Apple's iOS devices constitute 2/3 of Google's mobile traffic. And Google is probably not liking how Siri can impact their traffic, as outlined by the article. Probably will result in Google throwing more money at Apple to keep Google as the default search.

Siri is likely the most advanced voice feature and 2/3 of traffic from iOS huge.
However, by the time Siri is widely adopted, Android user base will keep growing at a faster rate than iOS ans slightly absorb the loss to Siri, if it were to become a threat to Google.

Google would have been stupid to think that Apple won't find new ways to wall them off from iOS revenues anyway.
 

Fingolfin269

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My initial geek response was 'wow, this is pretty cool'. My next response was 'I'm sure after a day or two I will get tired of repeating myself and never use it again'. I'll be interested in seeing how good this actually turns out to be.
 

trmiv

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My initial geek response was 'wow, this is pretty cool'. My next response was 'I'm sure after a day or two I will get tired of repeating myself and never use it again'. I'll be interested in seeing how good this actually turns out to be.

This is what I'm thinking. I mess around with the voice stuff on my Droid from time to time, but I rarely actually use it. Who knows, maybe this is better.
 

alent1234

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Ars Technica article on Siri. Interesting that Apple's iOS devices constitute 2/3 of Google's mobile traffic. And Google is probably not liking how Siri can impact their traffic, as outlined by the article. Probably will result in Google throwing more money at Apple to keep Google as the default search.

i played with vlingo and it seems for a lot of things it just transcribes your voice to a string and sends it to google for a simple search. watch the keynote video, there is a reason they use wolfram alpha. i don't think google's back end can process this application
 

oogabooga

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My initial geek response was 'wow, this is pretty cool'. My next response was 'I'm sure after a day or two I will get tired of repeating myself and never use it again'. I'll be interested in seeing how good this actually turns out to be.

I had a phone like 6 years ago that had voice commands and touch screen and I was convinced both were great, but actually using it I hated both, vowed never to use either.

Touch screens have come a long way since then and now I have a phone again that has one and it's been plenty usable (though still has it's quirks sometimes).

I imagine at some point voice commands will be good and usable too. I know my parents are getting iphone 4s's since their contract is about up and they'll be looking to renew, so I guess I'll see how well they think it works.
 

Sid59

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If apple releases a SIRI api that let's navigation apps to accept voice commands, I'll probably upgrade.

I wanted to upgrade our stock car audio unit to include built in GPS, bluetooth, satellite radio .. etc but if the iPhone 4S works out, it'll probably be cheaper to buy an integration kit that links into the AUX in Port.

TTS GPS (paid app)
Streaming radio (Sirius, pandora, spotify)
Siri for incoming and outgoing calls
 

Aikouka

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If apple releases a SIRI api that let's navigation apps to accept voice commands, I'll probably upgrade.

If I remember correctly, developers are able to use Siri to accept voice commands. So your GPS app would have to implement it.
 

poofyhairguy

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I am interested in Siri because any Sci-Fi fan knows the future is computers we talk to.

My holdup is that this year IBM finally made that futuristic computer that can really understand people (Watson) and it took a whole room of high end systems to make it work. I know that power isn't in our pocket (hopefully in my lifetime), but how can Google or Apple offer that through a device and still make money on it?
 

Ns1

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I am interested in Siri because any Sci-Fi fan knows the future is computers we talk to.

My holdup is that this year IBM finally made that futuristic computer that can really understand people (Watson) and it took a whole room of high end systems to make it work. I know that power isn't in our pocket (hopefully in my lifetime), but how can Google or Apple offer that through a device and still make money on it?

cloud processing?

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http://techcrunch.com/2011/05/09/apple-nuance-data-center-deal/
 

runawayprisoner

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If I remember correctly, developers are able to use Siri to accept voice commands. So your GPS app would have to implement it.

I don't see that information in the SDK or in any of Apple's documents in the Dev Portal.

Am I missing something?