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Since you asked for it :Indian War Threat:Coalition Back-Stabbing Pakistan

lawaris

Banned
From a beloved patriot paper :

From the recent turn of events it is becoming clear that despite being the frontline state in the global war of terrorism, the Americans and the Indians are both planning a joint attack on Pakistan. On the surface it will be India but with full backing, material and logistics support of coalition forces. US are having joint army exercise in India and India just concluded its own war games. US Assistant Secretary of States for South Asia Christina Rocca was in New Delhi not for peace talks but for strategy on how and when to do launch such an attack. She visited Pakistan just to put Pakistan off guard. It is not a surprise that immediately after her visit firing by India across all of Kashmir Line of Control started. The ?green signal? to go ahead for this action and expelling of Ashraf Jehangir Qazi Pakistan?s Ambassador to India appears to have come from the Americans.

The initial groundwork for an attack on Pakistan is already complete. The analysis of vocal media shows that lately the media reports are very alarming. Claiming Pakistan failed to stop Al-Qaida or somehow helped Al-Qaida leadership and also includes various claims of Al-Qaida leadership residing in Pakistan. There is no mention of Pakistan?s total internal & external security apparatus being run along with the American security personnel nor there is any mention of full cooperation and support of Pakistan and Pakistanis in the global war on terrorism.

These media stories with the same theme of putting failure of capture of Al-Qaida on Pakistan, arguing there must be covert help from Pakistan government. This conclusion is very scary with extreme ramifications for Pakistan. Something Pakistan Government must not ignore.

India cannot attack Pakistan alone for sure. The negative tone of media against Pakistan has been a recurring theme right from the start of coalition. Despite every effort of Pakistan and the free rein it gave to coalition forces, this smearing of Pakistan in the international media never stopped, it only declined in intensity and frequency.

Once again, the world media is getting too negative against Pakistan, if you have noticed. If that didn?t worry anyone, may be watching Indian and US troops together should have made every Pakistani worried.

However, there is a bigger game going on the coincidence of various alarming events are too much. We have joint army exercise and then attack on the French people how were helping us with our defense capabilities. Now it is just too much to digest and our government is not even mentioning Indian hand. On the other hand Indians are screaming once again. Indians are claiming that Pakistan is behind a recent attack on their troops in Kashmir. This time Indians are not even blaming it on Jehadi or other forces with in Pakistan but directly on Pakistan. The international media is giving full coverage to India?s point of view.

Coalition against terrorism needs stability in the region. The implementation of this stability seems to be where regional bully given a free hand and hence squash any contention in the region. It appears despite gross human rights violations in Kashmir, India will be rewarded by making Kashmir Line of Control a permanent border.

It is clear that the coalition is expanding their War on terrorism goals to include appeasement of India. Although there are many stories that Pakistan is helping American forces to root out those armed groups within Pakistan. These groups also victimize Pakistan. Apparently none of Pakistan?s help has really registered any sincere gratitude. If it had, India would have been warned sternly to keep off Pakistan back. India would have been penalized and forced to move its force off Pakistan?s border. Not that this has not been done, India has not been condemned either. This is a clear sign of bias in favor of India.

In Pakistan, it is believed that the religious militant organizations are being backed by India in Pakistan. This achieves three major goals of India, one it raises havoc, secondly blame can be put back on Pakistan Government and third after such an incident one can claim this reflects instability in Pakistan.


Imminent attack on Pakistan by India is expected to be well coordinated with the coalition forces. Pakistan?s nuclear capability will be neutralized and will be forced hold back while India bombs vital national security installations claiming those as ?terrorist bases.?

Asking for a dialogue and talks by Pakistan has obvious not really resulted in any success, neither has participating as a frontline state in coalition generated any sincere gratitude. The media has not stopped its relentless pursuit against Pakistan either.

It is perhaps the time Pakistan makes some swift decisions on its overall strategy to safeguard its sovereignty.
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link for you non-believers : you help them.... and they are ready to kick your ass now
 
Your first line of the post means nobody should listen to it 🙂 Pakistani paper. I bet that's a good source!
 
Are you on crack? The Coalition isn't go to stop supporting Pakistan and that is why we have diplomats working out peace over there right now.
 
I'm sure the news has some merit but i'll believe it more from a more credible news source outside of Pakistan. Thanks for bringing it up tho, i will have to do some more research.
 
No, just more ad hominem attacks at us because we are daring to question the hypocrisy and stupidity of American Foreign policy - a stupidity which will backfire once again. Cuba, Afghanistan, and now Pakistan.

You cannot deal with muslims - if America only listened to its democratic brother, India, it would realize this. But no, it has to learn the hard way - after a few more buildings fall by pakistani-trained islamaniacs America may just start to get the picture.
 
exactly the point I am trying to make ...... In Pakistan there is war hysteria ...

and they are ready to say/do anything.

In a lot of posts here I have been reading about dangers of nuclear war and asuch stuff.
India has a " no first use " policy to which Pakistan doesn't agree.

And now this .... people read this there ... and it creates more hatred , more hysteria.

Show me where there has been a similar article in an Indian newspaper.

Indians are all for peace - but not at the cost of their Independence !
 
Originally posted by: lawaris
exactly the point I am trying to make ...... In Pakistan there is war hysteria ...

and they are ready to say/do anything.

In a lot of posts here I have been reading about dangers of nuclear war and asuch stuff.
India has a " no first use " policy to which Pakistan doesn't agree.

And now this .... people read this there ... and it creates more hatred , more hysteria.

Show me where there has been a similar article in an Indian newspaper.

Indians are all for peace - but not at the cost of their Independence !

I hate to say it but India is the one who started this war mongering. I don't think the Indian people want war or the Pakistani people for that matter. This is why I hate Parliment type government systems. Since India's PM is from a hard line party he has to be hard line or he will risk losing his job. President Kocheril Raman needs to step in to stop the war mongering. The Indian people need to tell President Kocheril to stop the PMs war mongering.
 
Originally posted by: Dually
I hate to say it but India is the one who started this war mongering. I don't think the Indian people want war or the Pakistani people for that matter. This is why I hate Parliment type government systems. Since India's PM is from a hard line party he has to be hard line or he will risk losing his job. President Kocheril Raman needs to step in to stop the war mongering. The Indian people need to tell President Kocheril to stop the PMs war mongering.

Aren't the Pakastani militants the ones crossing the borders to kill Indian civilians? I don't see how India defending themselves from such attacks is much different from Operation: Enduring Freedom.

Besides, the US is against countries that support terrorism.

EDIT: Missing a end I tag
 
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Dually
I hate to say it but India is the one who started this war mongering. I don't think the Indian people want war or the Pakistani people for that matter. This is why I hate Parliment type government systems. Since India's PM is from a hard line party he has to be hard line or he will risk losing his job. President Kocheril Raman needs to step in to stop the war mongering. The Indian people need to tell President Kocheril to stop the PMs war mongering.

Aren't the Pakastani militants the ones crossing the borders to kill Indian civilians? I don't see how India defending themselves from such attacks is much different from Operation: Enduring Freedom.

The attacks are wrong and must be stopped. Clearly and international peace keeping force must be deployed to stop the attacks and the President of Pakistan must take serious action to curb the militants.

 
India has a " no first use " policy to which Pakistan doesn't agree.
It goes without saying that India is a better nation than pakistan but of course they have the comfort of saying a no first use. They have a more powerful military. If they felt so inclined they could march into kashmir or pakistan and do whatever and pakistan knows they'd lose so they have to say they'll use a nuke as a deterent. It's like a big guy coming up to you and saying he won't fight dirty - that's fine because he doesn't have to, but you may if you want to win.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
India has a " no first use " policy to which Pakistan doesn't agree.
It goes without saying that India is a better nation than pakistan but of course they have the comfort of saying a no first use. They have a more powerful military. If they felt so inclined they could march into kashmir or pakistan and do whatever and pakistan knows they'd lose so they have to say they'll use a nuke as a deterent. It's like a big guy coming up to you and saying he won't fight dirty - that's fine because he doesn't have to, but you may if you want to win.


exactly .... there must be some sort of rule that NO one ever tries to use nukes .... even the US.

You see people resent any bully and when US tries to tell anyone ... " we can do it ... but you can't " the people do become angry !

Let's try for a phased withdrawl of all nukes .... cos' only then will mankind be safe !

If you say " I have the right & you don't " - it's not going to work !

Equality or the desire for it creates war .... and will be so unless all are equal.

*peace*
 
Originally posted by: lawaris
Originally posted by: Skoorb
India has a " no first use " policy to which Pakistan doesn't agree.
It goes without saying that India is a better nation than pakistan but of course they have the comfort of saying a no first use. They have a more powerful military. If they felt so inclined they could march into kashmir or pakistan and do whatever and pakistan knows they'd lose so they have to say they'll use a nuke as a deterent. It's like a big guy coming up to you and saying he won't fight dirty - that's fine because he doesn't have to, but you may if you want to win.


exactly .... there must be some sort of rule that NO one ever tries to use nukes .... even the US.

You see people resent any bully and when US tries to tell anyone ... " we can do it ... but you can't " the people do become angry !

Let's try for a phased withdrawl of all nukes .... cos' only then will mankind be safe !

If you say " I have the right & you don't " - it's not going to work !

Equality or the desire for it creates war .... and will be so unless all are equal.

*peace*

Clearly you arn't familar with deterence theory. Deterence Theory says that it party A and Party B have nuclear weapons they won't fight a full scale war. It is based on the idea that the leaders of countries don't want to die. If Pakistan didn't have nuclear weapons they would have been invaded by India by now. It is dumb to fight a war over Kashmir. Sure people are dying every day there but think about how many people would die in a full scale war, tens of millions.
 
Originally posted by: lawaris
exactly .... there must be some sort of rule that NO one ever tries to use nukes .... even the US.

You see people resent any bully and when US tries to tell anyone ... " we can do it ... but you can't " the people do become angry !

Let's try for a phased withdrawl of all nukes .... cos' only then will mankind be safe !

If you say " I have the right & you don't " - it's not going to work !

Equality or the desire for it creates war .... and will be so unless all are equal.

*peace*

The US and Russia agreed to cut their nuclear arsenals by 2/3rds.
 
Originally posted by: lawaris
doesn't anyone have to say anything anymore ?

maybe a little more India bashing ?:disgust:
There are two type of people in this world: Thinkers and Non-Thinkers. You fall into the latter category. As an American I highly value freedom of Speech and the Freedom of the Press. This is exactly what the Pakistani paper is exercising. I fully encourage this type of use of freedom, I *might* become a little upset if that had been the stance of the Pakistani government rather than an editorial by some local in a newspaper.
 
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: lawaris
exactly .... there must be some sort of rule that NO one ever tries to use nukes .... even the US.

You see people resent any bully and when US tries to tell anyone ... " we can do it ... but you can't " the people do become angry !

Let's try for a phased withdrawl of all nukes .... cos' only then will mankind be safe !

If you say " I have the right & you don't " - it's not going to work !

Equality or the desire for it creates war .... and will be so unless all are equal.

*peace*

The US and Russia agreed to cut their nuclear arsenals by 2/3rds.

Please try to understand : I am trying to explain the Indian thinking here ...

2/3 of what ?

As long as we don'tthink we are safe .... we are also going to keep nukes ... and so is Pakistan

Mutual destruction won't even work here cos' India is just too big for Pakis to have enough nukes and people realise that there and are willing to sacrifice !

It's dangerous cos' most people don't even realise that the bomb doesn't just kill .... it affects generations .

I specialised in nuclear physics ... and I do know what I am talking about !

 
Dually:

If protecting Indian citizens by attacking blood thirsty islamists is "War Mongering" then so be it. But then US will be guilty of that as well so will the rest of the world. Don't be hipocritic. Don't forget Afghanistan and 9/11. Parliamentry democracy has nothing to do with this. At some point a country has to stand-up to BS that Pakistan represents. I didn't see Bush bend-over and take it up the ass after 9/11. Why the hell should we?

Fact is Indians are tired of being blackmailed by Pakistan and this is just good a time as anyother to stand up for what we belive in. You don't like it? You don't agree with it? That's your problem not ours.

Put the International peace keeping force in Britain, Russia and Israel and then we will talk about Kashmir.
 
Originally posted by: lawaris
Please try to understand : I am trying to explain the Indian thinking here ...

2/3 of what ?

As long as we don'tthink we are safe .... we are also going to keep nukes ... and so is Pakistan

Mutual destruction won't even work here cos' India is just too big for Pakis to have enough nukes and people realise that there and are willing to sacrifice !

It's dangerous cos' most people don't even realise that the bomb doesn't just kill .... it affects generations .

I specialised in nuclear physics ... and I do know what I am talking about !

Here is an old Yahoo link for you on that meeting between Bush and Putin.

Yahoo link
 
quotes from your report :

The main stumbling block has been Washington's plan to store rather than destroy the decommissioned warheads, an option that Moscow strongly opposes.

Ivanov said he would also be involved in talks Thursday as part of the Middle East "quartet," which groups the United States, European Union, the United Nations and Russia, to focus on the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians. - why can't I see Israel, Palestinians or anyone from the middle - east here ?:disgust:

and this is exactly what I was talking about ....Crouch said the United States intends to maintain the current triad of nuclear forces -- bombers, land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles and submarine launched ballistic missiles -- as it reduces the number of warheads in its arsenal to the levels set.

The Pentagon so far has not determined what the mix of warheads will be used by the various weapons systems, adding that it is likely to fluctuate as the size of the arsenal is reduced.


The only thing is that russia is completely devasted now .... not all countries are !
And in some ... people have the courage to stand up to what they believe in !
 
from the first line of your article it says that we are planning an attack on pakistan. that discredits it with me enough that i'm not even going to bother reading it.

russia will still have enough nukes to nuke every major city on the planet once over, they're not that devastated.

you might be in nuclear physics but that doesn't qualify you to make inane ramblings on the state of foreign affairs
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Originally posted by: ElFenix
from the first line of your article it says that we are planning an attack on pakistan. that discredits it with me enough that i'm not even going to bother reading it.

russia will still have enough nukes to nuke every major city on the planet once over, they're not that devastated.

you might be in nuclear physics but that doesn't qualify you to make inane ramblings on the state of foreign affairs
rolleye.gif


you never addressed the questions I raised !
And it's not my article.

" please read the whole thread "
 
Originally posted by: Dually
Originally posted by: lawaris
Originally posted by: Skoorb
India has a " no first use " policy to which Pakistan doesn't agree.
It goes without saying that India is a better nation than pakistan but of course they have the comfort of saying a no first use. They have a more powerful military. If they felt so inclined they could march into kashmir or pakistan and do whatever and pakistan knows they'd lose so they have to say they'll use a nuke as a deterent. It's like a big guy coming up to you and saying he won't fight dirty - that's fine because he doesn't have to, but you may if you want to win.


exactly .... there must be some sort of rule that NO one ever tries to use nukes .... even the US.

You see people resent any bully and when US tries to tell anyone ... " we can do it ... but you can't " the people do become angry !

Let's try for a phased withdrawl of all nukes .... cos' only then will mankind be safe !

If you say " I have the right & you don't " - it's not going to work !

Equality or the desire for it creates war .... and will be so unless all are equal.

*peace*

Clearly you arn't familar with deterence theory. Deterence Theory says that it party A and Party B have nuclear weapons they won't fight a full scale war. It is based on the idea that the leaders of countries don't want to die. If Pakistan didn't have nuclear weapons they would have been invaded by India by now. It is dumb to fight a war over Kashmir. Sure people are dying every day there but think about how many people would die in a full scale war, tens of millions.
deterence theory only works if both sides are rational
 
Originally posted by: lawaris
Originally posted by: ElFenix
from the first line of your article it says that we are planning an attack on pakistan. that discredits it with me enough that i'm not even going to bother reading it.

russia will still have enough nukes to nuke every major city on the planet once over, they're not that devastated.

you might be in nuclear physics but that doesn't qualify you to make inane ramblings on the state of foreign affairs
rolleye.gif


you never addressed the questions I raised !
And it's not my article.

" please read the whole thread "
wait wait wait you called that other one "your report" but i can't say "your article."?!?
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as for addressing your questions, what exactly are you asking? its hard to find out when digging through incoherrence.
 
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