Since the unverse is expanding, there is no such thing as infinity

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: Indolent

Originally posted by: JToxic

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: Bv3

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

I thought the universe was finite?

You are probably right.

If it's finite, then how is it expanding?

For soemting to expand it has to be finite.

yeah.... think balloon for example...

A balllon doesn't count because matter outside of the balloon is pushed inside of it
to increase its size. The unverses matter is all inside of it and there is nothing outside of it.

Also, a balloon is measured my the amount of space is occupies compared to it's surrounding. Since there is nothing outside the universe, you cannot measure it
as occupying space, therefore, it goes on for infinity.

Then put the chemicals necassary to cause expansion in the balloon, place the balloon in an endless vacuum and mix them.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: deftron

A balllon doesn't count because matter outside of the balloon is pushed inside of it
to increase its size. The unverses matter is all inside of it and there is nothing outside of it.

Also, a balloon is measured my the amount of space is occupies compared to it's surrounding. Since there is nothing outside the universe, you cannot measure it
as occupying space, therefore, it goes on for infinity.

Picture yourself as a 2-D man sitting on the balloon surface as its expanding. Better?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: Indolent

Originally posted by: JToxic

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: Bv3

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

I thought the universe was finite?

You are probably right.

If it's finite, then how is it expanding?

For soemting to expand it has to be finite.

yeah.... think balloon for example...

A balllon doesn't count because matter outside of the balloon is pushed inside of it
to increase its size. The unverses matter is all inside of it and there is nothing outside of it.

Also, a balloon is measured my the amount of space is occupies compared to it's surrounding. Since there is nothing outside the universe, you cannot measure it
as occupying space, therefore, it goes on for infinity.

Can you really have "nothing"? I mean.. even if it was "nothing", wouldn't that be something?

lol

 

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
This universe is finite but perhaps only a lower-dimensional projection of a higher-dimensional space that is infinite. Infinity might also exist in the form of an unbounded number of branching alternate realities formed as each uncertain quantum particle assumes both of its potential states.

At least until you reverse the polarity and emit a stream of chronoton particles into a tachyon field.

Data! Take Deanna and Beverly to the holodeck for a fivesome with Wesley and Worf!

Owww... I got coffee in my nostrils....

 

[JoeKing]

Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

so is my e-penis

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

infinity + X = infinity

 

[hypn0tik]

Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

Infinity is a CONCEPT, not an actual number. It is meaningless to say infinity + 1 or (infinity)^2 and so on.

As rocadelpunk said, infinity + anything = infinity.

 

[Gunslinger08]

If the universe is expanding and finite, what is it expanding into? To say that the "universe" is not already infinite admits it's own flaw. It cannot be finite and expanding at the same time.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

infinity + X = infinity

infinity + .9 repeating = infinity + 1 = infinity? :Q

 

[imported_Reck]

how many diminsions are there anyway? are there really possibly 12?! and we can only see three four including time.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
This universe is finite but perhaps only a lower-dimensional projection of a higher-dimensional space that is infinite. Infinity might also exist in the form of an unbounded number of branching alternate realities formed as each uncertain quantum particle assumes both of its potential states.

At least until you reverse the polarity and emit a stream of chronoton particles into a tachyon field.

Data! Take Deanna and Beverly to the holodeck for a fivesome with Wesley and Worf!

HAHAHAHA. seriously...you just made me spit all over the monitor
:laugh:

 

[ruffilb]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

I thought the universe was finite?

It is finite.

 

[Leros]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

infinity + X = infinity

not where X = -infinity

 

[edro]

It is finite... but we will never be able to see the limit, so for all intensive purposes, it is infinite.

 

[deftron]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

infinity + X = infinity

ok, so x = 1

infinity + 1 = infinity

infinity - infinity = -1 ?

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

infinity + X = infinity

infinity + .9 repeating = infinity + 1 = infinity? :Q

in this case yes, but .999999999 repeating is not = 1, bastard!

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

infinity + X = infinity

ok, so x = 1

infinity + 1 = infinity

infinity - infinity = -1 ?

yes, and 0 = 1

 

[Siva]

If the universe is finite, but constantly expanding, but there is "nothingness" all around it, is it expanding equally or is it oozing at different rates in different sections?

 

[mordantmonkey]

the universe isn't expanding. everything in it is just getting smaller and smaller.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
If the universe is expanding and finite, what is it expanding into? To say that the "universe" is not already infinite admits it's own flaw. It cannot be finite and expanding at the same time.

One of my profs has a page dedicated to such questions. We had to answer a few for one of our exams. The basic answer is that since the universe is everything, you can't have something outside of everything (of course because that would mean that you weren't really talking about everything when you said universe).

The first thing to get straight is that there's nothing outside the Universe! By definition the Universe is everything there is: we live inside it; and it isn't expanding into anything.

Link

 

[mezrah]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

infinity + X = infinity

ok, so x = 1

infinity + 1 = infinity

infinity - infinity = -1 ?

yes, and 0 = 1

No, infinity - infinity is an indeterminite form. It DNE. QED

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

infinity + X = infinity

infinity + .9 repeating = infinity + 1 = infinity? :Q

in this case yes, but .999999999 repeating is not = 1, bastard!

QFT

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

infinity + X = infinity

ok, so x = 1

infinity + 1 = infinity

infinity - infinity = -1 ?

infinity is not a number.

/thread

 

[Cheezeit]

head explodes

 

[Jzero]

Illustrating how infinity can expand...
This is a loose retelling + analysis of Rudy Rucker's Hilbert Hotel story from "White Light."