Since the unverse is expanding, there is no such thing as infinity

Mo0o

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Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

I thought the universe was finite?
 

Leros

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Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

I thought the universe was finite?

Only on Thursdays and non-religous holidays.
 

rocadelpunk

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anything + infinity is still infinity.


but yes.


i die too of a barin failure.


edit: dammit, dimmu edited.
 

Leros

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Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
anything + infinity is still infinity.


but yes.


i die too of a barin failure.


edit: dammit, dimmu edited.

barin failure is horrible, right up there with BRAIN failure.

 

DaveSimmons

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This universe is finite but perhaps only a lower-dimensional projection of a higher-dimensional space that is infinite. Infinity might also exist in the form of an unbounded number of branching alternate realities formed as each uncertain quantum particle assumes both of its potential states.

At least until you reverse the polarity and emit a stream of chronoton particles into a tachyon field.
 

Leros

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
This universe is finite but perhaps only a lower-dimensional projection of a higher-dimensional space that is infinite. Infinity might also exist in the form of an unbounded number of branching alternate realities formed as each uncertain quantum particle assumes both of its potential states.

At least until you reverse the polarity and emit a stream of chronoton particles into a tachyon field.

Of course... duh.
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
This universe is finite but perhaps only a lower-dimensional projection of a higher-dimensional space that is infinite. Infinity might also exist in the form of an unbounded number of branching alternate realities formed as each uncertain quantum particle assumes both of its potential states.

At least until you reverse the polarity and emit a stream of chronoton particles into a tachyon field.

Data! Take Deanna and Beverly to the holodeck for a fivesome with Wesley and Worf!
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: Tea Bag
**jumps out window**

Defenestration KICKS ASS!!!!


++! Bonus pints for you....


*poors Tea Bag's mangled corpse a ncie and Frosty Samuel Adams...*
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: Tea Bag
**jumps out window**

Defenestration KICKS ASS!!!!


++! Bonus pints for you....


*poors Tea Bag's mangled corpse a ncie and Frosty Samuel Adams...*

*tea bag's Tea Bag's corpse*
 

Indolent

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Originally posted by: JToxic
Originally posted by: deftron
Originally posted by: Bv3
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

I thought the universe was finite?


You are probably right.

If it's finite, then how is it expanding?


For soemting to expand it has to be finite.



yeah.... think balloon for example...
 

judasmachine

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we live in a shoebox. we're really an extra dimensional kids science project. but then how many dimensions are there?

hmmm....
 

The Pentium Guy

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It's funny how these threads:
"Topic Title: Since the unverse is expanding, there is no such thing as infinity"
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1642777&enterthread=y
"Topic Title: Time is not infinite."
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1642790&enterthread=y

Spewed from my original thread:
"Topic Title: The concept of Infinity.... no beginning nor no end"
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1642760&enterthread=y

All are parodies of my thread. My thread is a parody of a thread talking about a parody of a parody OF a parody (no kidding)!
"Topic Title: Parody: Parody: Is Anandtech down?"
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=38&threadid=1642539

Heh. ATOT Pwns all.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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The universe may be infinite or not, but in either case, what we see is the volume of local space expanding, and the "event horizon" of what we can see is doing so as well.

It is not conceptually difficult to understand infinities growing. Look how you can divide the number line into infinite classes each larger than the other.
 

deftron

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Originally posted by: Indolent
Originally posted by: JToxic
Originally posted by: deftron
Originally posted by: Bv3
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: deftron
The universe's size today, as compared to yesterday, is infinity plus 1 ?


:evil:

I thought the universe was finite?


You are probably right.

If it's finite, then how is it expanding?


For soemting to expand it has to be finite.



yeah.... think balloon for example...

A balllon doesn't count because matter outside of the balloon is pushed inside of it
to increase its size. The unverses matter is all inside of it and there is nothing outside of it.

Also, a balloon is measured my the amount of space is occupies compared to it's surrounding. Since there is nothing outside the universe, you cannot measure it
as occupying space, therefore, it goes on for infinity.

 

Bv3

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Originally posted by: deftron

A balllon doesn't count because matter outside of the balloon is pushed inside of it
to increase its size. The unverses matter is all inside of it and there is nothing outside of it.

Also, a balloon is measured my the amount of space is occupies compared to it's surrounding. Since there is nothing outside the universe, you cannot measure it
as occupying space, therefore, it goes on for infinity.


One theory (which sounds reasonable to me):link

Excerpt:
If the universe is closed, though, then what is beyond the universe? Weeks took his best shot at answering this confounding question:

"The universe is finite," he said, "but there's no boundary to it," implying that there is no beyond, or that if there is, then its nature is left to your imagination and is outside the closed system that astronomers can ever hope to see.