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Since getting Usenet Access, something has really bothered me

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Malak said:
The reason I ask is because from the description it sounds like you are paying money for what is readily available for free, so I must be missing something.
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no you're really not missing a thing. we just like spending money
 
cheezy321 said:
Now here is what has really pissed me off. Why arent there more legitimate uses for this kind of thing? I can download a HD movie in 2 hours. That means that you can easily stream or buy things over the internet, yet it isn't happening.
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You mean like video streaming from Amazon, Netflix, and others?

Buying games online from Steam, Direct2Drive, Impulse, and others?

Not really sure what exactly your complaint is here.
 
Why does everyone act like usenet/newsgroups are some big secret? Who the hell doesn't know about that shit? It's been around since the dawn of the intrawebs practically.
 
Originally posted by: cheezy321

Now here is what has really pissed me off. Why arent there more legitimate uses for this kind of thing? I can download a HD movie in 2 hours. That means that you can easily stream or buy things over the internet, yet it isn't happening.

The technology is out there. This could be done very easily by the movie companies. Yet they still decide to stay in their old ways and not embrace new technology like this.
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First off, the files you get in Usenet servers are compressed (zips, rars) and are not readily playable after you're done downloading them. You still have to check for if all the files are intact (parity errors) and extract it either to an image or backup of a DVD/Blu-ray. etc.

You cannot compare then to "streamed" videos which are ready to view from the start. They are also usually of lesser quality.

The reason why it's not done here in the US, is bandwidth & traffic. You'll need at least 12 mbps to get good HD quality video. If everyone
got their movies on-line, broadband companies will suffer. They'll have to catch what they have in Japan/Korea >50 mbps.

Of course the technology is out there. Major film studios would be happy to sell & distribute their movies via downloading. It could save them from pressing the DVD, printing the labels/covers, distributing and selling them to vendors. People making extra copies for friends/family or selling of the sidewalk is the big problem. Why do you think they are spending $$$ on copy protections on DVD & Blu-ray. This is to deter the non-techie person who are majority of their customers.

With my broadband connection I can usually DL 8.5GB/hour via usenet. That's about DVD+R DL size. About 5 Blu-ray movies in 24 hours. The sad part though if you know where to look, you can find "backup" Blu-ray movies days before they are officially released. :awe:
 
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pcslookout said:
Why?
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because now you can buy one off site with a set GB hard drive on a fiber backbone,
and have plans which offer unlimited traffic on that box.

The box is offsite, so depending on the torrent box's location file sharing isnt illegal all around the world.

You have Admin controls to the box, and u can download directly off your box. (i got around 1.2-1.5megs/sec limited by my cable company).

Once again, it depends on your plan and option.

But the box i used to have b4 i realized i didnt do enough had unlimited upstream and downstream.

I could do 5 torrents at once, and the average steams i would get is about 5 megs per second up and 10 megs down.

So you leave the stuff u want to share on ratio sites, and dump the things ur done with after u downloaded it to your main NAS.
 
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The beauty of newsgroups are that you aren't uploading the content you are downloading. torrent's and P2P applications upload what you are download... hince you are distributing whatever content you are downloading... if it's pirated then you are distributing pirated material... hello MPAA and RIAA.

It's worth my piece of mind to pay $9/month and completely peg my connection out in the process. There are much more choices and most good providers have 365 days of retention.
 
SKORPI0 said:
First off, the files you get in Usenet servers are compressed (zips, rars) and are not readily playable after you're done downloading them. You still have to check for if all the files are intact (parity errors) and extract it either to an image or backup of a DVD/Blu-ray. etc.

You cannot compare then to "streamed" videos which are ready to view from the start. They are also usually of lesser quality.

The reason why it's not done here in the US, is bandwidth & traffic. You'll need at least 12 mbps to get good > DVD quality video.

Of course the technology is out there. Major film studios would be happy to sell & distribute their movies via downloading. It could save them from pressing the DVD, printing the labels/covers, distributing and selling them to vendors. People making extra copies for friends/family or selling of the sidewalk is the big problem. Why do you think they are spending $$$ on copy protections on DVD & Blu-ray. This is to deter the non-techie person who are majority of their customers.

With my broadband connection I can usually DL 8.5GB/hour via usenet. That's about DVD+R DL size. About 5 Blu-ray movies in 24 hours. The sad part though if you know where to look, you can find "backup" Blu-ray movies days before they are officially released. :awe:
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I stream content from usenet all the time onto my projector. It is really easy to do. Start the download and a few seconds later I am watching the tv show/film. If I like it I will buy it. This can be done with anything from divx/xvid to even the largest uncompressed format of Blu Rays. 700 to 1500 MB to 40 to 50 GB. Just depends on how fast your connection is. If your internet speed is fast enough you can easily stream uncompressed blu ray content 24/7.
 
cheezy321 said:
yeah, exactly. I just havent had access to fast servers like these before and it just blows my mind that there arent companies out there taking advantage of this technology.
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Usenet services can afford to provide that kind of speed because of subscription fees. Most sites on the internet are free and ad supported. That doesn't mean that you can't get those kind of speeds over HTTP, FTP, etc., though. Purchase a Rapidshare Premium account and I'm sure you'll be able to max your connection when downloading.
 
frostedflakes said:
Usenet providers can afford to provide that kind of speed because of subscription fees. Most sites on the internet are free and ad supported. That doesn't mean that you can't get those kind of speeds over HTTP, FTP, etc., though. Purchase a Rapidshare Premium account and I'm sure you'll be able to max your connection when downloading.
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Not even close. I would love to see Rapidshare give me a constant 6.2 MB/sec (50 Mbps)
 
What about Megaupload? I've heard their premium service is really fast, but don't know if it's faster than Rapidshare.

Also, I think you can use download managers to run parallel connections with Rapidshare premium, just like you can have multiple connections with most usenet providers to maximize speeds. Did you try doing that?
 
Megaupload gets me 600kbps sustained. I tried the other night. I queued up a bunch of stuff using one of those download apps so they just go megaupload link after link. 600 KB/s... Pretty nice. Not as fast as my connection because I was getting a solid 1.36 MB/sec off Newsleecher
 
DLeRium said:
Megaupload gets me 600kbps sustained. I tried the other night. I queued up a bunch of stuff using one of those download apps so they just go megaupload link after link. 600 KB/s... Pretty nice. Not as fast as my connection because I was getting a solid 1.36 MB/sec off Newsleecher
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Megaupload is no better than rapidshare. They can't give enough speed like usenet can! You are basically limited-less with newsgroups and speed. Ok not really but it is one of the fastest way to download and upload content, if you have the bandwidth.

You are almost guaranted to always use your maximum download/upload speed on newsgroup. Unless of course your provider or ISP are having problems. You can't say that about rapidshare, megaupload, torrents, IRC, or anything else. Not even Microsoft or steam servers.
 
The technology isn't the reason you're able to get super-fast speeds with Usenet. You can get the same speeds over HTTP. You're able to get super-fast speeds because you're paying for it.
 
One thing I don't understand about usenet is who hosts the files? Any usenet service can download nzb files from any website. Obviously, sites host the nzb files, but what about the files it contain?
 
ChaoZ said:
One thing I don't understand about usenet is who hosts the files? Any usenet service can download nzb files from any website. Obviously, sites host the nzb files, but what about the files it contain?
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Usenet servers. It's a distributed system where posts propagate to all usenet servers. It's up to each server what to accept which is why non-premium servers generally suck.
 
mugs said:
The technology isn't the reason you're able to get super-fast speeds with Usenet. You can get the same speeds over HTTP. You're able to get super-fast speeds because you're paying for it.
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True but you can get the same kind of speed with newsgroups if your isp offers them. Most don't anymore I don't think. Though a few still do. Just very limited by retention and speed. Sometimes you don't have to pay if your very lucky.
 
pcslookout said:
Megaupload is no better than rapidshare. They can't give enough speed like usenet can! You are basically limited-less with newsgroups and speed. Ok not really but it is one of the fastest way to download and upload content, if you have the bandwidth.

You are almost guaranted to always use your maximum download/upload speed on newsgroup. Unless of course your provider or ISP are having problems. You can't say that about rapidshare, megaupload, torrents, IRC, or anything else. Not even Microsoft or steam servers.
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I know that... it's just that for newbs some places hosts stuff on Megaupload/Rapidshare. You will note that I mentioned Newsleecher. I *DO* use Usenet, and when I do it's amazing. I'm just saying out of the Rapidshit/Yousendit crap-pile, Megaupload has consistently been the better one for me. When you talk TV shows and stuff Usenet and Torrents usually come out with stuff fastest, but sometimes there are a few things where HTTP downloads actually work better simply because you rely on forum posts. The worst thing is that when people say "OMG I CAN'T TORRENT WINDOWZ7, PLS PUT ON RAPIDSHARE." And I usually just fire back a generic response: "Seriously, Rapidshare is for kids. If you can't use torrent or usenet, go back to the first grade."
 
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