Since BDW-K is a bust, go with Devil's Canyon or move up to X99?

[CHADBOGA]

Unless one really needs the extra cores, I don't see the value in the Hex Cores from Intel at the moment as they are clocked too low and will require too much juice and produce too much heat at 4+Ghz levels.

Plus some benchmarks make me think that DDR4 systems are currently underperforming their DDR3 bethren.

Devil's Canyon is one of the best products Intel has released in a long, long time.

At least you have the luxury of waiting, so you can see how Skylake pans out and if Broadwell proves to be interesting on the desktop(I suspect not).

 

[JM Popaleetus]

Got sick of waiting for Broadwell-K (C). So I treated myself at Micro Center and NewEgg:

• i7-5820k for $300
• ASUS X99-PRO/USB 3.1 for $300
• 32GB G.SKILL DDR4 2400 CL15 for $200
• Corsair AX1200i for $126

Plan on setting the notch to 4.0 to 4.5GHz and being plenty happy for the next 4-5 years.

 

[crashtech]

You have a nice CPU cooler, so maybe you will get lucky with a high 24/7 overclock. 4.4GHz will put your ST perf in line with 4790K.

 

[JM Popaleetus]

You have a nice CPU cooler, so maybe you will get lucky with a high 24/7 overclock. 4.4GHz will put your ST perf in line with 4790K.

That's the goal.

I still wonder if I should have gone with the 4790k. But even at stock they trade blows, and at this point I do more than just game.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Got sick of waiting for Broadwell-K (C). So I treated myself at Micro Center and NewEgg:

• i7-5820k for $300
• ASUS X99-PRO/USB 3.1 for $300
• 32GB G.SKILL DDR4 2400 CL15 for $200
• Corsair AX1200i for $126

Plan on setting the notch to 4.0 to 4.5GHz and being plenty happy for the next 4-5 years.

Great setup! :thumbsup:

 

[nenforcer]

Yeah I think you totally made the right decision. If you don't plan on using the integrated Intel HD 6200 Graphics on the Broadwell there isn't really a reason to purchase it other than the lower power usage (65W) and slightly higher (5-7%) IPC in a few benchmarks.

You will also be able to upgrade your new rig to Skylake-E or whatever the next Socket 2011 -v3 chip is.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Yeah I think you totally made the right decision. If you don't plan on using the integrated Intel HD 6200 Graphics on the Broadwell there isn't really a reason to purchase it other than the lower power usage (65W) and slightly higher (5-7%) IPC in a few benchmarks.

You will also be able to upgrade your new rig to Skylake-E or whatever the next Socket 2011 -v3 chip is.

Broadwell-E. Skylake-E AFAIK will be a new socket/platform.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Yeah I think you totally made the right decision. If you don't plan on using the integrated Intel HD 6200 Graphics on the Broadwell there isn't really a reason to purchase it other than the lower power usage (65W) and slightly higher (5-7%) IPC in a few benchmarks.

You will also be able to upgrade your new rig to Skylake-E or whatever the next Socket 2011 -v3 chip is.

Considering he just could have slotted in an i7 4790K to his existing system, I think his decision verges on madness and it is sad to see him being cheered on here, by people who really should know better. :|

 

[JDG1980]

I built the system in my signature last October, assuming Broadwell-K was going to happen. Up until that, I was happily running an X58 system, so I got a solid ~4.5 years out of it (and that's my usual barebones upgrade cycle). In two years I'll get a new SSD and Video Card.

Assuming I can sell my current barebones for ~$300, I can move up to X99 + 5820k + 16GB DDR4 for about $500. Or I could just buy a 4790k for ~$279 (I luckily have a Micro Center near me).

The dilemma in my head is that I could possibly get a lot more mileage from X99 for only ~$250 more. Thoughts? Or should I just stick with Devil's Canyon and be happy (which I'm more than capable of) :\.

The other option is, going with Devil's Canyon, and instead of a ~5 year cycle, upgrade to Cannonlake in two years...especially if Skylake truly turns out to be the next "Prescott to Conroe".

My recommendation would be to just get the 4790K. There are very, very few applications for which this CPU won't be good enough. Remember, lots of people are still doing fine with Sandy Bridge 2500K CPUs... Devil's Canyon will probably still be a viable product 5 years from now, let alone two. I suspect the Skylake rumors are overblown; we might see a 10% IPC increase if we're lucky, which would be nice, but isn't going to knock Devil's Canyon out of the running.

 

[IntelUser2000]

The other option is, going with Devil's Canyon, and instead of a ~5 year cycle, upgrade to Cannonlake in two years...especially if Skylake truly turns out to be the next "Prescott to Conroe".

I highly doubt Intel is so quiet on a "Prescott to Conroe" chip.

We still need to see whether Intel's 14nm is all talk or has real value. There's lot of excuses regarding why Broadwell C can't clock high, like that its "originally mobile". But at the moment they are excuses because no matter the excuses, 14nm Broadwell overclocks way less than 22nm Haswell.

Unless you don't overclock, then I think its worth buying a Skylake for its few % performance improvement. Why not? Its 2-3 months away.

 

[JM Popaleetus]

Considering he just could have slotted in an i7 4790K to his existing system, I think his decision verges on madness and it is sad to see him being cheered on here, by people who really should know better. :|

What makes you think my decision "verges on madness"?

Awfully strong words.

 

[CHADBOGA]

What makes you think my decision "verges on madness"?

Awfully strong words.

You've spent $600 more on a Haswell-E processor than you would have by just going with Devil's Canyon.

Considering the differences in their stock speed, you are going to have to stress your Haswell-E much more than you would need to stress an i7 4790K, when you overclock it, plus your electricity usage(and perhaps heat too) on a heavily overclocked Haswell-E will be through the roof.

Yes you will get better performance on those applications that need more than 4 cores, but how many of them are out there and how often do you really use them?

 

[Arachnotronic]

You've spent $600 more on a Haswell-E processor than you would have by just going with Devil's Canyon.

Considering the differences in their stock speed, you are going to have to stress your Haswell-E much more than you would need to stress an i7 4790K, when you overclock it, plus your electricity usage(and perhaps heat too) on a heavily overclocked Haswell-E will be through the roof.

Yes you will get better performance on those applications that need more than 4 cores, but how many of them are out there and how often do you really use them?

CHADBOGA, these are definitely good points -- for most use cases (including gaming) a 4790K out of the box rips into a 5820K out of the box.

That said, I'd argue that the 5820K + a good overclock has more staying power, especially for people who plan to use their systems for 4+ years.

At any rate, this discussion is academic; I suspect the OP picked up the 5820K setup because the OP just wanted it. Nothing wrong with that if you're a hardware enthusiast

 

[crashtech]

I have been thinking about getting a 5820K from Silicon Lottery since it seems less likely to get a good OC sample just by buying one normally.

 

[dark zero]

If you have a Sandy/Ivy Bridge, forget upgrade. However you can go to X99 because Hexas will get more love with Windows 10.

 

[JM Popaleetus]

You've spent $600 more on a Haswell-E processor than you would have by just going with Devil's Canyon.

Considering the differences in their stock speed, you are going to have to stress your Haswell-E much more than you would need to stress an i7 4790K, when you overclock it, plus your electricity usage(and perhaps heat too) on a heavily overclocked Haswell-E will be through the roof.

Yes you will get better performance on those applications that need more than 4 cores, but how many of them are out there and how often do you really use them?

Where are you getting $600 from?

The 5820k and 4790k cost the same at $300. Selling my current barebones will yield the same price as the X99-Pro. And I bought 32GB of DDR4 during Newegg's sale this weekend for $200.

In the end, I only paid $200 more for 2 more cores and 16GB more memory.

 

[JM Popaleetus]

I have been thinking about getting a 5820K from Silicon Lottery since it seems less likely to get a good OC sample just by buying one normally.

I would love for Silicon Lottery to get more 5820's in stock.

 

[crashtech]

I thought they had 4.5 and 4.6Ghz in stock. Apparently 4.7 and up is pretty tough to achieve.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Where are you getting $600 from?

The 5820k and 4790k cost the same at $300. Selling my current barebones will yield the same price as the X99-Pro. And I bought 32GB of DDR4 during Newegg's sale this weekend for $200.

In the end, I only paid $200 more for 2 more cores and 16GB more memory.

From what you had to buy

ASUS X99-PRO/USB 3.1 for $300
32GB G.SKILL DDR4 2400 CL15 for $200
Corsair AX1200i for $126
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Obviously if you are able to sell your existing gear to offset the cost, then it lessens the expense.

Why you didn't wait for Skylake's performance to be revealed though is quite the mystery to me.

 

[crashtech]

Lately waiting is for chumps. Like those who were counting on Broadwell-K , look what that got us.

 

[RaistlinZ]

Got sick of waiting for Broadwell-K (C). So I treated myself at Micro Center and NewEgg:

• i7-5820k for $300
• ASUS X99-PRO/USB 3.1 for $300
• 32GB G.SKILL DDR4 2400 CL15 for $200
• Corsair AX1200i for $126

Plan on setting the notch to 4.0 to 4.5GHz and being plenty happy for the next 4-5 years.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Haha, this thread is a perfect example of hardware geeks talking themselves into buying something. Could have just slotted in a 4790k for a cheap upgrade, but instead buys an entirely new rig.

 

[RaistlinZ]

Haha, this thread is a perfect example of hardware geeks talking themselves into buying something. Could have just slotted in a 4790k for a cheap upgrade, but instead buys an entirely new rig.

Yeah, how dare he spend his money on what he really wants!

Life is short. Splurge every now and then. Doesn't have to make financial sense. ^_^

 

[JM Popaleetus]

Haha, this thread is a perfect example of hardware geeks talking themselves into buying something. Could have just slotted in a 4790k for a cheap upgrade, but instead buys an entirely new rig.

Again...

The 5820k and 4790k cost the same at $300. Selling my current barebones will yield the same price as the X99-Pro. And I bought 32GB of DDR4 during Newegg's sale this weekend for $200.

In the end, I only paid $200 more for 2 more cores and 16GB more memory.

Really not that much more expensive over the ~four years I plan on keeping this rig.

Yeah, how dare he spend his money on what he really wants!

Life is short. Splurge every now and then. Doesn't have to make financial sense. ^_^

Very much, this. Your rig is looking very similar .

Lately waiting is for chumps. Like those who were counting on Broadwell-K , look what that got us.

I'm done waiting. This was the first and last time I'll wait nine months for a generation release. Besides, Skylake's focus is on mobile, and I have a hunch the desktop results will be disappointing for those who are waiting...

Might as well wait for Broadwell-E or Kabylake! What's another nine months?!

 

[alcoholbob]

4790K/Z97 is a safer platform simply because it will actually boot when you install it.

I don't know how common this is but it seems to me a large number of X99 motherboards manufacturers have something called "USB boot" enabled by default on their motherboards. When this is active the motherboards, depending on the type of USB devices you use, they will go into a endless reboot cycle when you turn on the computer, meaning you will never actually POST with any usb devices installed and thus will never be able to go into the BIOS to the turn off USB boot.

It took me, oh I think 5 or 6 completely different X99 motherboards of different brands before I finally found one that would post when any of the USB keyboards or motherboards I had, and I went through about a dozen mice/keyboards with each of them. Some of the motherboards I was able to get into the BIOS with a PS2 keyboard but the BIOS version didn't actually have a way to disable USB boot, so I was SOL. So it only took about $400 in shipping and restocking fees, meaning the final cost of a working X99 motherboard for me was more than most people's PCs. If you look at reviews on Newegg/Amazon it's a pretty common issue with X99 motherboards.

Truth is you are probably better off waiting for Broadwell-E or Skylake-E as it's probably more cost effective than going through X99 motherboards until you can find one that actually posts.