Simultaneous voice and data on Verizon / iPhone 5

[Spoooon]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, ARE YOU SHITTING ME? How the HELL can you blame verizon and defend Apple for this? Apple KNOWS how the technology works, it's been that way for a LONG time! It's not like Apple was blindsided by this.

Oh my god, this defense of the indenfensible by you iFans is becoming ridiculous (if it wasn't already).

It's just how the network works. Apple just made a decision about what was and was not worth it. I thought it was a decision related to the cost it would have on the battery, maybe not.

I remember people would extoll the virtues of simultaneous voice and data or minimize it back when AT&T were running those commercials showing the iPhone doing this as if it were a specific benefit of the iPhone as opposed to a benefit of the network it was on.

On my Droid, I never thought to myself "I wish I could look this up, but I can't because I'm speaking on my phone." With my Galaxy Nexus, I never thought "finally! voice and data!"

I understand if you're tethering, which more people may be doing because of shared data. I just don't think it's a big deal.

 

[WelshBloke]

Does this mean that iNav will stop working if you get a phone call?

That might be a pain.

 

[bearxor]

Its a big deal for me at work because we were hoping to cancel a lot of our air cards and switch to mobile hot spots. Now, I as far as my boss will be concerned, there's no reason to go to a 5 vs a free 4. So we'll be buying free iphone 4's for the next year.

 

[Fingolfin269]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, ARE YOU SHITTING ME? How the HELL can you blame verizon and defend Apple for this? Apple KNOWS how the technology works, it's been that way for a LONG time! It's not like Apple was blindsided by this.

Oh my god, this defense of the indenfensible by you iFans is becoming ridiculous (if it wasn't already).

Lol you seem to be a really emotional dude.

 

[jersiq]

this was because qualcomm obviously had some under the table shady crap going on. they tried this in other countries like brazil, canada, etc, which all abandoned cdma in going to 3G networks and went for HSDPA. in fact they deployed 3G so well that by 2010 they were using GSM phones with no CDMA fallback at all.

Verizon had a choice to move to UMTS. But no.

Hey, why stop at Qualcomm, let's go deeper to infrastructure equipment manufacturers who enabled this behavior:
Bell Labs, Lucent, Motorola, Nortel, Nokia, Andrews (they made those CDMA antennas), Tellabs, Sun, HP, UT Starcom, Cisco and many others I am likely forgetting.

It will all be moot anyways with VoLTE.

 

[Axon]

This is definitely a lack of a feature that could be very annoying. I often surf email or the net when a conference call is rambling on.

 

[khha4113]

You _DO_ realize that Verizon is as much to blame for this as Apple? You make a lot of outrageous and wrong claims against Apple, it's to the point that it is ridiculous how biased you are. I've refuted you on at least two ridiculous anti-Apple claims and you ignored my post because you know you are wrong.

For those with at least a shred of impartiality, most of the CDMA implementations in the USA do not allow simultaneous voice & data. This required two radios, one for voice, and one for data. This is a fault of CDMA and it is also Verizon's fault for using CDMA. This is not Samsung's fault. Not Google's. And most definitely not Apple's.

Did you actually read the article? It stated other 4G phones Samsung or Motorola on Verizon work perfectly fine with voice and data simultaneously. So to sum up, it IS Apple's fault!
http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/13/3328492/iphone-5-simultaneous-voice-data-verizon-sprint

The Verge has confirmed with Verizon Wireless that the iPhone 5 won't support the feature when it's on the carrier's cellular network, even if it is connected to LTE. This is in contrast to the rest of the LTE phones in Verizon's lineup, all of which support simultaneous voice and data when connected to LTE.

 

[Spoooon]

Does this mean that iNav will stop working if you get a phone call?

That might be a pain.

I imagine it'll work like Google Maps does: caches the trip data so that you're covered if you lose signal or get a voice call.

Its a big deal for me at work because we were hoping to cancel a lot of our air cards and switch to mobile hot spots. Now, I as far as my boss will be concerned, there's no reason to go to a 5 vs a free 4. So we'll be buying free iphone 4's for the next year.

1st world problems are tough.

it IS Apple's fault!

It's Apple's fault in the sense that, for design considerations, they opted to not include the second antenna. Had they done so, they would have either had to make all of the phones larger or have 2 slightly different versions (like with the Galaxy Nexus). It's really not that big deal, seriously.

 

[khha4113]

It's only a mistake if someone at Apple is slapping themselves in the forehead saying "OH MY GOD HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?!!!!". Yeah no. They know that most people couldn't care less.

Or ignorant! That's why they made these "GENIUS" commercials!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMcrw8WTWSs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXTzzxiCfPw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPqyavf7q98

and Kimmel's experiment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rdIWKytq_q4

 

[Nothinman]

It's Apple's fault in the sense that, for design considerations, they opted to not include the second antenna. Had they done so, they would have either had to make all of the phones larger or have 2 slightly different versions (like with the Galaxy Nexus). It's really not that big deal, seriously.

In other words, it's 100% Apple's fault. They made design concessions which sacrifice functionality, which shouldn't be surprising to anyone since that's been their MO forever. I can't say whether adding the extra antenna would have required an increase in size, but they already have 3 SKUs so obviously having several slightly different versions wasn't an issue for them.

 

[khha4113]

It's Apple's fault in the sense that, for design considerations, they opted to not include the second antenna. Had they done so, they would have either had to make all of the phones larger or have 2 slightly different versions (like with the Galaxy Nexus). It's really not that big deal, seriously.

As the other member said

It's not a huge deal but big enough for AT&T to make a commercial promoting just this feature over the Verizon version of the iPhone a while ago.

It's just "big" enough!

 

[Spoooon]

As the other member said

Yes, and as I posted, I recall plenty of people saying it was or wasn't a big deal depending on which side of the fence they were on. Back then, I didn't think simultaneous voice and data was a big deal, and I still don't.

In other words, it's 100% Apple's fault. They made design concessions which sacrifice functionality, which shouldn't be surprising to anyone since that's been their MO forever. I can't say whether adding the extra antenna would have required an increase in size, but they already have 3 SKUs so obviously having several slightly different versions wasn't an issue for them.

I don't think the different SKUs matter so much as possibly different form factors. The difference between the GSM Galaxy Nexus and the CDMA Galaxy Nexus is such that accessories for one won't work with the other (not without sandpaper anyway).

 

[Red Storm]

I don't think the different SKUs matter so much as possibly different form factors. The difference between the GSM Galaxy Nexus and the CDMA Galaxy Nexus is such that accessories for one won't work with the other (not without sandpaper anyway).

The S3's are all the same though right? So it can be done.

 

[Spoooon]

The S3's are all the same though right? So it can be done.

Yeah, but think about how much larger they are compared to the iPhone 5. I think that's a drawback of keeping stuff as small as possible: limited flexibility for stuff like an extra antenna or whatever. I thought the 4S was a pretty reasonable size for a phone as far as thinness and weight goes, though I prefer my Galaxy Nexus. No reason at all to go as thin as possible I think.

 

[Red Storm]

Yeah, but think about how much larger they are compared to the iPhone 5. I think that's a drawback of keeping stuff as small as possible: limited flexibility for stuff like an extra antenna or whatever. I thought the 4S was a pretty reasonable size for a phone as far as thinness and weight goes, though I prefer my Galaxy Nexus. No reason at all to go as thin as possible I think.

Right. They didn't need to make the new iPhone any thinner IMHO, and perhaps that lost space could have been used to keep something like simultaneous voice and data? Who knows, but the point is they seem to value going thinner when it's not needed and would have been better spent going with a larger battery (looking at you Apple, Samsung, and all other manufacturers who do this).

The (non-Maxx) Razr and S3 are both so thin that it's actually uncomfortable to hold.

 

[halik]

In other words, it's 100% Apple's fault. They made design concessions which sacrifice functionality, which shouldn't be surprising to anyone since that's been their MO forever. I can't say whether adding the extra antenna would have required an increase in size, but they already have 3 SKUs so obviously having several slightly different versions wasn't an issue for them.

Literally everything you do in that industry revolves around sacrificing some functionality for battery life/ responsiveness/ RF design / packaging etc. It's pretty simple - does the benefit of doing that higher than the cost of not having the functionality?

Simultaneous data and voice is clearly not a big deal, as CDMA provides have gone w/o for essentially bulk of their existence. I would argue that Apple jumping on the NFC train and adding that hardware would be far more important than talk+data.

 

[Spoooon]

Right. They didn't need to make the new iPhone any thinner IMHO, and perhaps that lost space could have been used to keep something like simultaneous voice and data? Who knows, but the point is they seem to value going thinner when it's not needed and would have been better spent going with a larger battery (looking at you Apple, Samsung, and all other manufacturers who do this).

The (non-Maxx) Razr and S3 are both so thin that it's actually uncomfortable to hold.

No kidding, I don't want a phone that's 0.01mm thinner than the latest iPhone, I want one with 2x the battery life and attractive (which doesn't mean anorexic thin).

 

[akugami]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, ARE YOU SHITTING ME? How the HELL can you blame verizon and defend Apple for this? Apple KNOWS how the technology works, it's been that way for a LONG time! It's not like Apple was blindsided by this.

Oh my god, this defense of the indenfensible by you iFans is becoming ridiculous (if it wasn't already).

So...instead of refuting my claims and explaining why I'm wrong, you go off on a tangent. Anyone who is impartial can see there are pros and cons to Apple's decision. Typical response from you it seems. Ignore your previous post because you can't defend it or go off on a tangent.

Did you actually read the article? It stated other 4G phones Samsung or Motorola on Verizon work perfectly fine with voice and data simultaneously. So to sum up, it IS Apple's fault!
http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/13/3328492/iphone-5-simultaneous-voice-data-verizon-sprint

I think you need to read up on the pros and cons of CDMA and understand why _some_ of Samsung or Moto's phones work (not all of them do) and the pros and cons of enabling simultaneous voice & data. It seems you did not bother reading, except in passing, my previous posts in this thread or did not understand what I was saying.

 

[Red Storm]

I think you need to read up on the pros and cons of CDMA and understand why _some_ of Samsung or Moto's phones work (not all of them do) and the pros and cons of enabling simultaneous voice & data. It seems you did not bother reading, except in passing, my previous posts in this thread or did not understand what I was saying.

Quoting the article:

This is in contrast to the rest of the LTE phones in Verizon's lineup, all of which support simultaneous voice and data when connected to LTE.

 

[dguy6789]

Yep, every single Verizon 4G LTE phone supports simultaneous voice and data if your voice is connected to CDMA and data is connected to LTE except the new iPhone. The HTC Rezound and Thunderbolt both support simultaneous voice and data over 3G on Verizon and are the only phones I know of that can do it.

 

[dagamer34]

I would also guess that keeping a second antenna on means draining more battery while sending and receiving LTE data.

 

[Zaap]

Would this affect the maps/navigation app if using during a call? That's about the only situation I can think of right off the top of my head where I probably use data and voice at the same- in the car while the navigation is in use and I get a phone call. (Or does the maps app use offline maps?)

With other things like streaming music, I'd expect the music source to mute while on a call, so a lack of data there wouldn't matter.

Beyond that, I can't even remember the last time I needed to access the web during a phone call.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Would this affect the maps/navigation app if using during a call? That's about the only situation I can think of right off the top of my head where I probably use data and voice at the same- in the car while the navigation is in use and I get a phone call. (Or does the maps app use offline maps?)

With other things like streaming music, I'd expect the music source to mute while on a call, so a lack of data there wouldn't matter.

Beyond that, I can't even remember the last time I needed to access the web during a phone call.

Last week, a friend called me asking for directions to a place. So I fired up maps and then gave him directions turn by turn over the phone.

Voice with Data is insanely useful.

 

[AkumaX]

Here's an article from Anandtech on it:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6295/...ous-voice-and-lte-or-evdo-svlte-svdo-support-

dang, that article was very informative. gives us a hint as to whether you can use T-Mobile's new LTE Band 4 on the iPhone 5 or not.

 

[Spoooon]

Would this affect the maps/navigation app if using during a call? That's about the only situation I can think of right off the top of my head where I probably use data and voice at the same- in the car while the navigation is in use and I get a phone call. (Or does the maps app use offline maps?)

With other things like streaming music, I'd expect the music source to mute while on a call, so a lack of data there wouldn't matter.

Beyond that, I can't even remember the last time I needed to access the web during a phone call.

I wouldn't be surprised if it just does what Google Maps does: cache the route you want while you have data for when you go offline for whatever reason.

Come on now, insanely useful? Convenient, yes. Something to excoriate Apple over? I don't think so.