Simple physics question (kinetics) --- 1' elevation = X feet/second?

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I used to know this stuff like the back of my hand, but I don't remember the formulas. I was practicing putting today and thought to myself: "How many feet per second is equivalent to 1 foot differential in elevation?" It's just the conversion of potential energy to kinetic energy or the reverse. Thanks.
 

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Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
iirc PE = mgh
KE = 1/2 mv^2
does that help?

Should. Let's see. I want:

PE=KE

mgh=1/2 mv^2

h=1

g=1/2 v^2

v=square root of 2g

g= 9.8 (using metric units, IIRC)

v= square root of 2 x 9.8=4.427 (we are talking meters/second here and from a height of 1 meter)

So, I figure the speed of a falling object that falls one foot would just be 4.427 x .31 (feet/meter), or 1.372 feet/second. Now can someone verify that I didn't make an error?

I figure this is equivalent to asking how fast an object is falling after it has fallen one foot (from a zero velocity state with no resistance at the surface of the earth).
 

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I decided this is entirely wrong. I just rolled a golf ball down an 8 foot board that was elevated one foot at one end and with a stopwatch checked its speed. I estimate it at around 10 feet/second. So either the formulas are screwed up or I made a mistake in the calculations.
 

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So, I figure the speed of a falling object that falls one foot would just be 4.427 x .31 (feet/meter), or 1.372 feet/second. Now can someone verify that I didn't make an error?
There's your mistake. .31 meter = 1ft NOT .31ft = 1m. Divide 4.427 by .31 = 14.28 ft/s
 

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Originally posted by: Ophir
So, I figure the speed of a falling object that falls one foot would just be 4.427 x .31 (feet/meter), or 1.372 feet/second. Now can someone verify that I didn't make an error?
There's your mistake. .31 meter = 1ft NOT .31ft = 1m. Divide 4.427 by .31 = 14.28 ft/s

Yeah! I just realized and came back to the thread. I had the inverse. Kinda stupid. Thanks!!
 

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Originally posted by: Muse
I decided this is entirely wrong. I just rolled a golf ball down an 8 foot board that was elevated one foot at one end and with a stopwatch checked its speed. I estimate it at around 10 feet/second. So either the formulas are screwed up or I made a mistake in the calculations.
Gee. What a sleepyhead! William Blake said: "God save you and me from single vision and Newton's sleep." Well, I figure I have to give that golf ball an extra 14 feet/sec speed if it has to rise a foot on the way to the hole.

 

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Before I got what I thought was the correct answer here I posted in alt.sci.physics newsgroup, and I just looked there for replies and to my surprise, I found out that I was still quite wrong! I neglected to think of the fact that there is a rotational component of additional (or reduced, depending on whether the ball is rolling down or up) component of kinetic energy that contributes to a change in the speed or rotation of the ball. Here's the relevant post:

> IOW, not counting for rolling resistance and wind/air resistance, how
> fast do I need to get a ball rolling so that it will come to rest after
> rising one foot up an incline?

A ball mass m and radius r rolling at speed v has translational kinetic
energy KE = (1/2) m*v^2 and rotational kinetic energy = (1/2) I*w^2 where I
is the moment of inertia (a function of the mass and radius (for a uniform
sphere I = (2/5)*m*r^2 and w is the angular velocity = v/r).

The total kinetic energy for a rolling uniform sphere is then K(tot) =
(9/10)*m*v^2.

This energy will be exerted climbing uphill until its increase in
gravitational kinetic energy m*g*h consumes it all:

(9/10)*m*v^2 = m*g*h

The m's conveniently drop out (meaning that the result is the same for all
balls regardless of mass). Solving for v as a function of h we get:

v = sqrt[(10/9)*g*h]

In the archaic units familiar to golfers, g = 32 ft/(sec)^2 and h = 1 foot,
so v = sqrt(32*1/0.9) = 5.96 ft/sec.


Tom Davidson
Brighton, CO