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Sign Online Petition to take back nobel peace prize from Arafat!

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SammyBoy

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Hey guys. Head over to Revoke the Prize , and do your part. 7 Years ago Yasser Arafat got the Nobel Peace Prize for agreeing to try to end the fighting between Palestine and Israel. You guys all know whats going on now. Anyhow, just sign the petition!
 
DONE!
You are the 319611th signer.

I guess we are not the only ones that think this. I feel that because it comes from the U.S. the Euros will just piss on it.
 


<< WE, the undersigned, as the people of this planet, call urgently on Mrs. Mary Robinson to set up a committee to investigate the involvement of Ariel Sharon in war crimes against humanity according to the principles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the General Assembly resolutions 260, 2391, 3074 and Security Council resolution 1296 of United Nations, on behalf of the victims of 1982 massacre of Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon.
In 1982, Israeli Army was an occupying force in Beirut (Lebanon); according to the international laws they had the responsibility of protection of all civilians under their control. At that time the Israeli Army was under total control of Israeli Defence Ministry, and Ariel Sharon was the Defence Minister.
With the outbreak of news of massacre in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila, Israeli public was outraged and went on demonstration, and demanded the resignation of Ariel Sharon and an inquiry to the matter. Israeli Knesset took action and sat up a parliamentary committee to investigate Ariel Sharon?s involvement in this inhumane act of atrocity. As result of that inquiry, Ariel Sharon was found responsible for the actions of Lebanese Christian Militia, and consequently forced him to resign from his post as Defence Minister. >>


OK, Let's deal with some facts here.
There seems to be a lack of factual information going around about the massacres in Sabra and Shatila at the hands of the Phalangist militia. This massacre was really the direct result of the assassination of the new President-Elect? of Lebanon, Bashir Jemayel, after he stated his intent to ?kick out? the PLO from Lebanon. This was after almost 8-years of civil war in Lebanon, precipitated by the PLO, in an effort to overthrow the elected government to create a safe base of operations for Yasser Arafat and the PLO. As the PLO was beginning to lose ground due to the Israeli incursion of PLO controlled territory, and more and better equipment provided by the United States to some of the militias via Israel; they saw the writing on the wall.
The killings carried out by the Phalangist militia in the Sabra and Shatila camps happened when the IDF gave access to the militia because the IDF was turning control of the camps over to the Phalangist militia within the next week. Both of these camps were known centers of PLO terrorist activity and there were an estimated 200 PLO terrorists remaining in the camps, ostensibly to stay behind and carry out further terrorist operations.
The role of the Phalangist militia was to ferret out the remaining PLO members before they took over the administration of the camps as they had serious doubts they would be able to control the situation, if there were an even greater number of PLO members than they had estimated.
When Israeli soldiers ordered the Phalangist out, they found hundreds dead (estimates range from 460 according to the Lebanese police, to 700-800 calculated by Israeli intelligence). The dead, according to the Lebanese account, included 35 women and children. The rest were men, and the vast majority were killed in the firefights with the Phalangist and were found armed.
Israel had allowed the Phalange to enter the camps as part of a plan to transfer authority to the Lebanese, and accepted responsibility for that decision. The Kahan Commission of Inquiry, formed by the Israeli government in response to public outrage and grief, found that Israel was indirectly responsible for not anticipating the possibility of Phalangist violence. Israel instituted the panel's recommendations, including the dismissal of Defense Minister Ariel Sharon and Gen. Raful Eitan, the Army Chief of Staff.
There are very few governments in the world that one can imagine making such a public investigation of such a difficult and shameful episode.
Ironically, while 300,000 Israelis demonstrated in Israel to protest the killings, little or no reaction occurred in the Arab world. Outside the Middle East, a major international outcry against Israel erupted over the killings. The Phalangists, who perpetrated the crime, were spared the brunt of the condemnations for it.
By contrast, few voices were raised in May 1985, when Muslim militiamen attacked the Shatila and Burj-el Barajneh Palestinian refugee camps. According to UN officials, 635 were killed and 2,500 wounded. During a two-year battle between the Syrian-backed Shiite Amal militia and the PLO, more than 2,000, including many civilians, were reportedly killed. No outcry was directed at the PLO or the Syrians and their allies over the slaughter. International reaction was also muted in October 1990 when Syrian forces overran Christian-controlled areas of Lebanon. In the eight-hour clash, 700 Christians were killed-the worst single battle of Lebanon's Civil War.

The end result of the civil war the death of over 100,000 Lebanese civilians at the hands of the PLO and Syria.
 


<< Hey guys. Head over to Revoke the Prize , and do your part. 7 Years ago Yasser Arafat got the Nobel Peace Prize for agreeing to try to end the fighting between Palestine and Israel. You guys all know whats going on now. Anyhow, just sign the petition! >>


Done and done
 
Isn't that kind of silly? That's like taking a world record away from somebody after they've won it because they then go out and murder a bunch of people. The fact is they still earned it originally. Regardless of how much bone arafat smokes now he did get this for a reason originally.
 


<< Isn't that kind of silly? That's like taking a world record away from somebody after they've won it because they then go out and murder a bunch of people. The fact is they still earned it originally. Regardless of how much bone arafat smokes now he did get this for a reason originally. >>



I don't buy this argument - Arafat was never a deserving candidate for the Peace Prize, and the ongoing terrorist activity and weapons smuggling of his underlings goes directly to his fitness as a Nobel Laureate (unlike your hypothetical world record holder). I say he is fundamentally a terrorist, and should never have received this honor.
 


<< I don't buy this argument - Arafat was never a deserving candidate for the Peace Prize, and the ongoing terrorist activity and weapons smuggling of his underlings goes directly to his fitness as a Nobel Laureate (unlike your hypothetical world record holder). I say he is fundamentally a terrorist, and should never have received this honor. >>


Arafat, Peres and Rabin got the Nobel peace price for working together towards peace, they did not get the price as indeviduals but rather a group.
 


<< Isn't that kind of silly? That's like taking a world record away from somebody after they've won it because they then go out and murder a bunch of people. The fact is they still earned it originally. Regardless of how much bone arafat smokes now he did get this for a reason originally. >>


Well...I think it's a little different.

If it was found out years later that the world record sprinter had somehow used sleight-of-hand to trick everyone into thinking he was faster than he actual was, then they should take it away from him...
 
Like I actually care who get's a Nobel Prize or not. You want to send a message, write your congressman and tell him you want to stop all aid to both sides until those animals decide to stop slaughtering each other.
 
Mmm...regardless of what really happened at Sabra and Chatila, any pro-Palestinian you talk to will mention it as one of the many reasons they hate Israel...

What's odd is that no one seems to care enough about the Phalanges who actually did it to say something bad about them
 


<< Like I actually care who get's a Nobel Prize or not. You want to send a message, write your congressman and tell him you want to stop all aid to both sides until those animals decide to stop slaughtering each other. >>


well said.

*kat. <-- thinks online petitions are worthless.

 


<< If it was found out years later that the world record sprinter had somehow used sleight-of-hand to trick everyone into thinking he was faster than he actual was, then they should take it away from him... >>

Yes but that's because it means the guy didn't REALLY make the world record. Arafat received this for actions that he did - not actions that he might do in the future, so I don't see why actions in the future should affect it.

don_vito That's your opinion that he didn't deserve it but those who were in the position to give it out think he did.

I'm not even taking a side or saying he should ever have received it but just trying to point out why I don't see this being a really valid petition.
 


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<< Like I actually care who get's a Nobel Prize or not. You want to send a message, write your congressman and tell him you want to stop all aid to both sides until those animals decide to stop slaughtering each other. >>


well said.

*kat. <-- thinks online petitions are worthless. >>


Holy Crap! i agree with eakers! :Q
 
OK, Let's deal with some facts here.

This includes direct statements of two American jounalists that witnessed the scene after the massacre.

Background of the massacre

The Sabra and Chatila massacre was an outcome of the alliance between Israel and the Lebanese Phalangists. In its long-standing war against Palestinian nationalism and against the Palestine Liberation Organization, Israel found an ally in the Lebanese Phalangists. Despite the fact that Israel was itself responsible for the Palestinian exodus, the common feelings of hostility of Israel and the Phalangists to the Palestinians led to a secret alliance between them. In execution of this alliance Israel supplied the Phalangists with money, arms and equipment to fight the PLO in Lebanon.

Terror had led to the exodus of a large number of Palestinians in 1948. Therefore, the motivation for causing by similar means another exodus of Palestinians, this time from Lebanon, was a common objective of Israeli leaders, and their Phalangist allies. The massacre was not a spontaneous act of vengeance for the murder of Bashir Gemayel, but an operation planned in advance aimed at effecting a mass exodus by the Palestinians from Beirut and other parts of Lebanon. Israel?s participation in prior massacres directed against Palestinian people creates a most disturbing pattern of a political struggle carried on by means of mass terror directed at the civilians, including women, children, and the aged.



Israel moves into West Beirut

The decision to move into West Beirut was taken by Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin and Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, although it constituted a violation of the cease-fire and the agreement which governed the PLO evacuation. It was also a breach of Israel?s word to President Reagan not to enter West Beirut after the PLOs departure. On the morning of September 15, 1982 the Israel Defense Forces moved into West Beirut and completely occupied it by the following day, notwithstanding the protests of the Lebanese and US Governments. The IDF, however, did not enter the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps, but encircled and sealed them off with troops and tanks.

As to the decision for the entry of the Lebanese militiamen into the Sabra and Chatila camps, it appears from the testimony of Rafael Eitan, Israel?s Chief of Staff, before the Israeli Commission of Inquiry that it was taken by him and by Sharon on September 14, 1982. This was followed by meetings between those two military chiefs and the Phalangist commanders to coordinate the operation of the militiamen?s entry into the camps. The decision to allow the militiamen?s entry into the camps was approved by the Israeli Cabinet on September 16 after it began to be put into execution.



The Massacre

Three units of 50 militiamen each stood ready in the afternoon of Thursday, September 16, 1982 at the edge of Sabra and Chatila camps awaiting orders from the Israeli military command. At 5:00 p.m. they were sent into the refugee camps in accordance with the agreed program of action and they then commenced an orgy of killing which lasted until the morning of Saturday, September 18.

According to General Amir Drori, Commander of the Israeli Forces in Lebanon, Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan met the head of the Phalangist forces in East Beirut on Friday afternoon and congratulated the Phalangists on their smooth military operation inside the camps. At this meeting, the Phalangist leader asked for bulldozers. One or more were supplied. The bulldozers were used to dig mass graves into which were heaped the bodies of victims that filled the alleys. A number of houses were also bulldozed to cover up the bodies of the victims.

Description of the scene is given by Loren Jenkins of the Washington Post service on September 23, 1982:

?The scene at the Chatila camp when foreign observers entered Saturday morning was like a nightmare. Women wailed over the deaths of loved ones, bodies began to swell under the hot sun, and the streets were littered with thousands of spent cartridges. Houses had been dynamited and bulldozed into rubble, many with the inhabitants still inside. Groups of bodies lay before bullet-pocked walls where they appeared to have been executed. Others were strewn in alleys and streets, apparently shot as they tried to escape. Each little dirt alley through the deserted buildings, where Palestinians have lived since fleeing Palestine when Israel was created in 1948, told its own horror story.?

Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone, two American journalists who spent six weeks in Lebanon, gave evidence before the International Commission of Inquiry and the following is an extract from their testimony:

?When we entered Sabra and Chatila on Saturday, September 18, 1982, the final day of the killing, we saw bodies everywhere. We photographed victims that had been mutilated with axes and knives. Only a few of the people we photographed had been machine-gunned. Others had their heads smashed, their eyes removed, their throats cut, skin was stripped from their bodies, limbs were severed, some people were eviscerated. The terrorists also found time to plunder Palestinian property as well as books, manuscripts and other cultural material from the Palestinian Research Center in Beirut.?



The number of victims

The precise number of victims of the massacre may never be exactly determined. The International Committee of the Red Cross counted 1,500 at the time but by September 22 this count had risen to 2,400. On the following day 350 bodies were uncovered so that the total then ascertained had reached 2,750. Kapeliouk points out that to the number of bodies found after the massacre one should add three categories of victims: (a) Those buried in mass graves whose number cannot be ascertained because the Lebanese authorities forbade their opening; (b) Those who were buried under the ruins of houses; and (c) Those who were taken alive to an unknown destination but never returned. The bodies of some of them were found by the side of the roads leading to the south. Kapeliouk asserts that the number of victims may be 3,000 to 3,500, one-quarter of whom were Lebanese, while the remainder were Palestinians.


 
I can see it now, someone walks through machine gun fire to meet Arafat and demand the medal back. Come on now. This is serious BS.

 
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