dainthomas
Lifer
Yep. No way I'm buing a new proc AND mobo AND memory. I can upgrade to an X2 and double my ram for a fraction of the $$. That should hold me until at least early '07.
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Sigh. With FX-60 the end of S939 has come!
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Yep. No way I'm buing a new proc AND mobo AND memory. I can upgrade to an X2 and double my ram for a fraction of the $$. That should hold me until at least early '07.
The A64 is not starved for mem bandwidth even now with current ddr mem due to it's low latency mem controller, so any improvement ddr2 might bring will be marginal at best, especially with it's higher latency. S939 is the top socket right now, and will remain near the top until either Intel releases a cpu that's a lot better than the A64, or AMD eventually produces 3.5+ ghz chips for the AM2 socket. I'll probably keep my S939 for at least another year, and possibly upgrade to a dual core A64 when the prices are lower.
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i swear you guys make me laugh. first the guy posts some link to 300 $/GB ram, which BTW JACKASS is 1 ghz RAM. ITS PC8000. I dont see why the hell you would buy that since your mobo, and your CPU would clearly become the bottleneck.
then the people that overclock their ram and mobo fsb over the 200 mhz mark, loosening their timings to get better performance... your doing that, and at the same time your telling me that 333 mhz wont make a difference? ok, so lets see, if I could overclock my ram/cpu/bus to 333 mhz, without frying my cpu or chipset, and have my ram timings at 4-2-2-8 (ocz ddr2 667mhz platinum kit), I WOULDN'T SEE ANY PERFORMANCE INCREASE???
Ok guys, well see. Actually youll see.
i swear you guys make me laugh. first the guy posts some link to 300 $/GB ram, which BTW JACKASS is 1 ghz RAM. ITS PC8000. I dont see why the hell you would buy that since your mobo, and your CPU would clearly become the bottleneck.
then the people that overclock their ram and mobo fsb over the 200 mhz mark, loosening their timings to get better performance... your doing that, and at the same time your telling me that 333 mhz wont make a difference? ok, so lets see, if I could overclock my ram/cpu/bus to 333 mhz, without frying my cpu or chipset, and have my ram timings at 4-2-2-8 (ocz ddr2 667mhz platinum kit), I WOULDN'T SEE ANY PERFORMANCE INCREASE???
Ok guys, well see. Actually youll see.
YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Moderator<br>A/V & Home Theater<br>Elite member
He said $300/gig for e-penis ram vs $150/gig for e-penis ram, not standard value stuff. The people that are overclocking their ram are doing so with overclocking their CPU which is giving them the real performance gain.
Yeah, we'll see. Calling people jackasses etc. before we see what's relevant to processors that aren't out yet seems pretty foolish.
im calling the guy jackass, cause hes dissing ddr2 for costing too much, yet hes looking at PC8000 ram... how stupid can you get. really?
the ram i chose is not starndard value stuff, its the best ram you can buy. some people like corsair, or crucial whatever, but i only pick the creme of these manufacturers. but buying 1 ghz ram is just plain stupid because its going to receive data at 667 mhz anyways.
the ram i chose is not starndard value stuff, its the best ram you can buy. some people like corsair, or crucial whatever, but i only pick the creme of these manufacturers. but buying 1 ghz ram is just plain stupid because its going to receive data at 667 mhz anyways.
foodfightr
Golden Member
QFT, exactly my thoughts. I'm thinking in 1.5-2 years I'll jump on the band wagon.
I'm not complaining about DDR2 costs at all. In fact it's even better for the value segment at $60/gb, I'm just saying the 'flagship' standard has risen very high. I'm sure there are people who will buy that RAM, and then come here and complain about how it didn't improve performance according to its cost. Which is what I'm complaing about.
Oh by the way Mr. jackass it's going to transmit data at 333MHz because it's still a form of DDR, and that's if, and only if I leave the LDT at 333 and mem ratio at 1:1. What I'll likely buy for AM2 or something similar/better by the time that happens.
Let me start a rumor.
The next socket after AM2 will support, through the new Rambus memory controller AMD has licensed, DDR2, DDR3, XDR, and a few other memory formats, and will only need the physical connects on the motherboards to be different. Same as when Intel's old chipsets used to support SDR, DDR, and RDR.
WTF! Most of those had large increases, usually around 5% - 10% increase. A 2.4ghz 800fsb P4 can often outperform a 3.06ghz 533fsb. The jump to 1066mhz was a smaller performance increase, from 1% to 3%. The HTT was about a 1% to 2% increase.
Dual channel was around 5% to 10%.
Each increase may be small on their own, but they add up fast, especially given that the cpu industry only doubles in performance about every 2 years.
DDR2 will ultimately be a 5% to 10% increase too, though overclocked DDR will close or eliminate that gap. However, DDR2 will be cheaper, and won't have crazy limitations like dropping to 333mhz because you used too many sticks. The industry did not decide for DDR to last this long and AMD continually has to tweak their memory controller because they're hitting the limits of the DDR spec. For most users it's not a big deal, but high end users, such as servers, workstations, and gamers who spend thousands of dollars on FX cpus, are being hit by it, and that's the reason why the Opterons and the FX cpus get the tweaks first before the rest of the line.
That said, if I had a 939 system, I wouldn't be upgrading to AM2. However, I'm still on socket A, and AM2 presents a nice way for me to ditch all my legacy hardware. If I was on socket 754.... there's a bit more leeway since the rest of the hardware isn't as out of date a 939 upgrade may be reasonable. In my case, I'm going to have to be buying new everything anyhow no matter what platform I go to, so I may as well get the most up to date. (though 65nm AM2 chips could be a good reason to go AM2)
cmdrdredd
Lifer
I'm still slightly interested to see what Intel's next series can do before I decide anything. Currently I'm pretty happy with my P4 running 3.2 on an Asus P4P800. Yes it's kinda old and can't really compare to a new AMD64 setup, but it's find for now. When I compare Intel's new stuff to AMD's new stuff I will decide.
What's to complain about? You're really only missing out on dual core, Venice processors eventually hit S754 and most people who care overclock anyway. Intel similarly ditched their S478 platform, and Socket A suffered a much worse ditching, though those two sockets had a longer run. (423 is probably the ultimate in ditching though)
t3h l337 n3wb
Platinum Member
WTF was that in any language recognizable to humans?
I remember jost a little over 1 year ago having similar arguments over S754 and S939.
Some said go with S939 becasue it is more future proof. While S754 proponents said you get more speed for the money, and future proofing is worthless. When you decide to upgrade the CPU, a MB will almost always be required anyways.
Well I bought a 3000+ Winnie S939, but it was AGP. Now when prices fall on the X2's, I have plenty of room to upgrade there, but I still would need a PCI-e MB if I wanted to upgrade my VC (which I most defintiely will).
I seems that no matter what we do, we will always wish we had waited just a another month or two for the latest technology. Of course if we actually did that, we would never end purchasing anything.
So IMO if you are ready to build now, I see no season to wait on AM2. You will get more "bang for buck" out of a S939 system. Then when you need something faster, something else will have changed that requires you to buy all new components anyways.
Some said go with S939 becasue it is more future proof. While S754 proponents said you get more speed for the money, and future proofing is worthless. When you decide to upgrade the CPU, a MB will almost always be required anyways.
Well I bought a 3000+ Winnie S939, but it was AGP. Now when prices fall on the X2's, I have plenty of room to upgrade there, but I still would need a PCI-e MB if I wanted to upgrade my VC (which I most defintiely will).
I seems that no matter what we do, we will always wish we had waited just a another month or two for the latest technology. Of course if we actually did that, we would never end purchasing anything.
So IMO if you are ready to build now, I see no season to wait on AM2. You will get more "bang for buck" out of a S939 system. Then when you need something faster, something else will have changed that requires you to buy all new components anyways.
I'd still say it's wise not to make big upgrades right before the next big thing comes out. For instance, anyone buying a high end laptop this month instead of waiting until the new models next month is very foolish. I could more easily recommend a cheap laptop right now though, as at least then you aren't out as much.
In the case of AM2, I think it just comes down to cheaper memory prices with DDR2.
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