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Sigh. Never been a Mac guy...but now considering it...

Silenus

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For a while now I've been patiently waiting to upgrade my now very old and creaky Celeron M based notebook which weighs a ton and has the worlds most pathetically bad TN panel on it. I have desktop machine that is for any type of heavy duty tasks and PC gaming. Sometime this year I want to get a new laptop for my wife and I for casual use. It's mostly a couch computer but is also something I used for light photo editing when traveling.

Over time I and through experience I have come up with the following list of priorities I for a notebook upgrade:

1) Must have at least a reasonably decent display, greater than 1366x768. 16:10 would be preferred but I know it's way hard to find.
2) Bigger than 11" but no larger than 14" screen. No more 4lbs. Closer to 3lbs even better.
3) Include SSD or I'd add one myself immediately.
4) I do NOT need optical drive OR discrete graphics. I'd actually prefer integrated graphics because I simply won't need more and would rather have it less power/heat/cost.
5) Back lit keyboard important! Often using at night or in bed and find it very difficult to type when dark.
6) Something less than ARM+LEG in cost. I'd be willing to consider up to maybe around $1200 if I could get everything I want.

I don't about you guys but that sure as hell sounds damn near exactly like a 13" Macbook AIR to me. Mind you I made this list well before the new airs came out!

Now I've always been a Windows/PC guy. I am very competent with it and have always been a tweaker, overclocker and builder of my own machines. I don't have have anything against Macs just never been style is all. I am not familiar with the OS and have put off trying to learn more about it for a long time. But I do find it kind of depressing that there is hardly anything that come close to my requirements as a Windows machine. Sony Vaio Z, Samsung 9's are closest but neither are just right. Way too much money for Sony and lacking a high res display for the Samsung.

I do have some small hope for something good to come from Intel's Ultrabook initiative and I will be looking at what comes soon from that. However...I fear that for the manufacturers to get close to Intel's target prices there will be corners cut....and those will almost certainly be display quality/resolution and build quality. The more I think about it the more that 13" air actually seems a bargain for its price. Seems the the air could be a better Ultrabook than an Ultrabook!

PS- anyone run Win 7 on the Air? How does it work? I am a lightroom user and currently have only the PC version.
 
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You will be over $1200 if you get a new air with 1440x900.

Once you get Win7 installed using bootcamp on the air then you hold the 'option'? key down to choose which OS you want to boot into if you don't want the default to boot.
 
The Air is probably where you want to go. I've never run Windows on one, but I have on a Mac Pro, and MacBook Pro, and I'll say, they tend to be the best Windows computers out there 🙂
They run very well. Not counting the price (of Virtualization software), Windows actually runs very well in a VM (VMWare Fusion) on a Mac. Push it full screen and it feels like your running a Windows computer (video performance isnt spectacular, but works). With the Air limited to 4gigs, that might be a stretch trying to run Lightroom in Windows in a VM.. but its doable.
 
I'm pretty sure your license for lightroom should be valid for both windows and osx.

See I was thinking it might be. Reason being I also recently purchased Photoshop and Premiere Elements and those come with discs for both PC and Mac. Lightroom didn't come with media for Mac install though. At least I don't think it did (maybe I should double check the box).

If I did run windows I'd do it bootcamp not a VM.
 
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Small learning curve and there is some conversion pain going from win to osx but I bought a MacBook a few years ago just to "see what's up" and I've been a devout user since.

Not having to worry about shit is great.



That said, Mac office is terrible.
 
~$1,200 for the Lenovo X1:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4342/lenovo-x1-announced-alongside-an-edge-infused-allinone
Core i5-2520M 2.5 GHz, 13.3" Screen, 1366x768, 320.0 Gb HDD, 4096 Mb RAM, optional, 802.11a/b/g/n wireless, 10/100/1000 Ethernet, Bluetooth, Windows 7 Home Premium 64, 3.73 lbs, 3 Years Warranty, HD Camera, Fingerprint reader, 4-cell Battery, TPM, iAMT, vPro

Yes there is this. But... the display is 1366 and is TN of unknown quality (some reviews show its very meh on contrast and view angle). Second, after adding a 120GB SSD the cost easily passes the AIR with a known decent higher res display. The extra connectivity is nice...but screen res/quality and SSD trumps all in my priority.
 
Small learning curve and there is some conversion pain going from win to osx but I bought a MacBook a few years ago just to "see what's up" and I've been a devout user since.

Not having to worry about shit is great.



That said, Mac office is terrible.

Thats what Open Office is for. I am already an Open Office user on my PC and current laptop...so I don't see a prob there.
 
I actually bought my first Mac in 2006, intending to run Windows. While I did install a Windows partition on that and on the MBP I now use, I seldom use Windows on them.

For my money the Macs are, from a hardware perspective, the finest laptops on the market, and their design and construction are at the highest level. The ONLY caveat I have about them as Windows machines is that the CTRL key is located in a non-standard place. You can get used to this but if you use keyboard shortcuts a lot it's a slight nuisance.
 
Thats what Open Office is for. I am already an Open Office user on my PC and current laptop...so I don't see a prob there.

It is NeoOffice on OS X I think, no idea how the quality is, I haven't used it in years

And there's also iWork.

iWork, especially for the money, is pretty good. They just released Lion updates for them also i think.
 
I actually bought my first Mac in 2006, intending to run Windows. While I did install a Windows partition on that and on the MBP I now use, I seldom use Windows on them.

I just did a clean install of Lion and I had Boot Camp on my Snow Leopard machine, I don't think I'm going to be installing Windows 7 back with my clean install of Lion.
 
Yes there is this. But... the display is 1366 and is TN of unknown quality (some reviews show its very meh on contrast and view angle). Second, after adding a 120GB SSD the cost easily passes the AIR with a known decent higher res display. The extra connectivity is nice...but screen res/quality and SSD trumps all in my priority.

In that case go for the x220 instead, it has an optional IPS display and even supports mSATA SSDs. It's also cheaper than the x1 or air so it will be in your budget even with a SSD upgrade.

Also the Macbook Air has a TN panel, albeit a much better than average one.
 
Small learning curve and there is some conversion pain going from win to osx but I bought a MacBook a few years ago just to "see what's up" and I've been a devout user since.

Not having to worry about shit is great.



That said, Mac office is terrible.

Office 2008 is terrible. 2011 isn't half bad IMO.
 
Leaving off a few extras such as: fingerprint reader & camera, but upgrading: the display screen, + 9 cell battery + 128 GB SSD
$1,087.15:
Lenovo ThinkPad X220 - 1 Yr Depot Warranty
Processor: Intel Core i5-2520M Processor (2.5GHz, 3MB L3, 1333MHz FSB)
Operating system: Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64
Operating system language: Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 English
Display type: 12.5" Premium HD (1366x768) LED Backlit Display, Mobile Broadband Ready, 2x2 Antenna
Total memory: 4 GB DDR3 - 1333MHz (1 DIMM)
Keyboard: Keyboard US English
Fingerprint reader: No Fingerprint Reader
Camera: No Camera
Hard drive: 128 GB Solid State Drive, Serial ATA
Battery: ThinkPad Battery 29++ (9 cell)
Power cord: Country Pack North America with Line cord & 65W AC adapter
Bluetooth: Bluetooth 3.0
Integrated WiFi wireless LAN adapters: ThinkPad b/g/n
Language pack: Language Pack US English
 
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Better yet (for me) the X220 with lower end i5, Win 7 Home, leave the 6-cell, but upgrade display + 128GB SSD + HD webcam = $1040.40 with current coupon. Now we are getting somewhere. This is very close now to what I'd like. So as compared to the 13inch air:

We gain:
Significantly cheaper price right now, nice view angle and color (IPS!) display, a bit of extra connectivity at the expense of thunderbolt

We lose:
Some screen size and higher resolution 16:10 of the air, thunderbolt, and backlit keyboard

Those could be fair trades. Probably the biggest difference is then looks. They are on completely opposite ends of the spectrum looks wise. 😛
 
Or, you know, 11" Air can be found for $950 somewhere if you'd be willing to lose display viewing angle, CPU performance, and battery life.

But in return, you get more portability (fraction of the weight and volume), and $100 off that price of the X220.
 
Better yet (for me) the X220 with lower end i5, Win 7 Home, leave the 6-cell, but upgrade display + 128GB SSD + HD webcam = $1040.40 with current coupon. Now we are getting somewhere. This is very close now to what I'd like. So as compared to the 13inch air:

We gain:
Significantly cheaper price right now, nice view angle and color (IPS!) display, a bit of extra connectivity at the expense of thunderbolt

We lose:
Some screen size and higher resolution 16:10 of the air, thunderbolt, and backlit keyboard

Those could be fair trades. Probably the biggest difference is then looks. They are on completely opposite ends of the spectrum looks wise. 😛

While the x220 does not have a backlit keyboard it does have a built in led light positioned at the top of the screen next to the webcam that can illuminate the keyboard at night. It doesn't sound that great on paper but in my experience it actually works extremely well.

Also if you go with the x220 be sure to sign up for lenovo's email newsletter first as they frequently give out 10% off coupons.
 
I don't understand why people here who are smart enough to build their own PCs are worried about switching to OS X.

If you're nerdy enough to build your own computer, then you're nerdy enough to immerse yourself in the Terminal goodness, etc that OS X offers. Just because the OS looks "simple" to use doesn't mean that it isn't powerful for advanced users.
 
I wouldn't call myself worried about it. I know I can learn whatever I need to in short order. It's just that I have never been interested in it because I wasn't interested in Macs in general. But the new airs may be changing that.

The hesitation now probably has more to do with the fact that I'd have two primary machines with different OS's. It might somewhat complicate the sharing of things and backups (eventually I plan on centralized network storage for all computers which then greatly simplifies all sharing and backup). I'd love to keep a sync'd copy of Lightroom catalog between the two machines too. 😛
 
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I wouldn't call myself worried about it. I know I can learn whatever I need to in short order. It's just that I have never been interested in it because I wasn't interested in Macs in general. But the new airs may be changing that.

The hesitation now probably has more to do with the fact that I'd have two primary machines with different OS's. It might somewhat complicate the sharing of things and backups (eventually I plan on centralized network storage for all computers which then greatly simplifies all sharing and backup). I'd love to keep a sync'd copy of Lightroom catalog between the two machines too. 😛

If you keep the LR catalog on an external drive, you will have no issues switching between using it on the Mac and the PC. just make sure the FS is FAT32 so you can r/w to it from both OS'es. And make sure you have the same version of LR on both.
 
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