Sigh, I am really starting to hate Obama now

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: brandonbull
At least some one invented something useful for those billions. What have we gotten from the billions transferred to the contractors to support Iraq besides thousands of dead and wounded troops?

This is where I disagree with the 'wasted money' in Iraq argument.

War isn't always wasted money, it creates a ton of jobs and the war in Iraq I think arguably could be credited with saving TONS of defense jobs. Our troops are getting combat pay, tons of contractors are getting work over there. Companies are selling power and water equipment over there.. etc. Its not just going into a black hole.

Says the guy posting from the comfort and safety of his home.

I'm not sure what my position on the war itself has anything to do with my point. Most people would agree that World War II helped the U.S. get out of the economic trouble it was in.. What does that have to do with the morality of the war? I'm just saying wars cost money, and MAKE money.. Simply saying that war is bad because it costs money is a stupid argument.

If the money is only going to already bloated defense contracts, corrupt politicians in the third world, and waaaay overpaid contractors, than yes, I'll say that it's going into a black hole.

What's funny is that you could make exactly the same argument for just taking the same amount of tax dollars and doling them out via welfare, since those people are then going to buy TVs, new cars, and so on...which will "create a ton of jobs" and save a bunch of retail jobs.

But let me guess, you're not going to have anything good to say about the welfare system, are you?

 

[babylon5]

Nowadays, war benefits contractors, and sucks money out. You have to be blinded to not see what Iraq war is doing to this country.

Stop with the WWII argument already please. Time has changed.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am a person for space exploration and science. However, we need a fucking economy to work before we need big rockets. We need roads and bridges, not space shuttles or stations. Pragmatism is important right now, not phallic symbols and ego trips.

That's basically my feeling on the matter. Manned missions really appeal to the geek in me, but I don't think it's unreasonable to reduce the budget for programs like this during an economic downturn.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude...water filters were invented by nasa... period.

You've been duped. Water filters have been around far longer than NASA:

http://www.historyofwaterfilte...y-water-treatment.html

If you really want to be a scientist, then I recommend you put some serious work into your critical thinking skills.

 

[Zebo]

Black Bush.

 

[freegeeks]

if it's just for launching stuff into earth orbit, just do what we Europeans did. We just bought the most reliable, cost effective rocket.


buy Russian

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am a person for space exploration and science. However, we need a fucking economy to work before we need big rockets. We need roads and bridges, not space shuttles or stations. Pragmatism is important right now, not phallic symbols and ego trips.

I completely agree here - if funding is indeed cut it's not a matter of being anti-science but priorities.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Black Bush.

Uh, huh. Don't you wish...

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am a person for space exploration and science. However, we need a fucking economy to work before we need big rockets. We need roads and bridges, not space shuttles or stations. Pragmatism is important right now, not phallic symbols and ego trips.

/Agree, space = expendable and a nice "want", not "need".

 

[StageLeft]

His cuts to the space program are prudent at this point. It is a luxury expense and the country cannot afford in the near term to spend money on sending a robot off to the stars when it has current and significant problems right in front of it. This is no different than deciding to hold off on that yacht when your company just went under. It's not an immediate necessity.

 

[yowolabi]

So, how much money did Obama cut from Nasa's budget exactly? Can someone give me a round number?

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Vic
It's only big govt socialism when it's spent on something useful.

If space is so great, why doesn't private industry invest more?

If SUV's are so great then why doesn't Private industry invest more? Err, Wait, uh what? Yeah, well just keep handing out big bucks to that can of worms too I guess.

It's too early to tell, but I suggest the OP go and read up on the artical that wired just printed ...

Obama A fresh plan for smarter tech and science.

Bushes plan was a joke and the scientists that bush appointed was a laughing stock of the entire world... It was a BIG failure ... I'll take Obama's plan any day.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
His cuts to the space program are prudent at this point. It is a luxury expense and the country cannot afford in the near term to spend money on sending a robot off to the stars when it has current and significant problems right in front of it. This is no different than deciding to hold off on that yacht when your company just went under. It's not an immediate necessity.

Would you support Obama cutting funding for things like arts?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Skoorb
His cuts to the space program are prudent at this point. It is a luxury expense and the country cannot afford in the near term to spend money on sending a robot off to the stars when it has current and significant problems right in front of it. This is no different than deciding to hold off on that yacht when your company just went under. It's not an immediate necessity.

Would you support Obama cutting funding for things like arts?

Yep.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Skoorb
His cuts to the space program are prudent at this point. It is a luxury expense and the country cannot afford in the near term to spend money on sending a robot off to the stars when it has current and significant problems right in front of it. This is no different than deciding to hold off on that yacht when your company just went under. It's not an immediate necessity.

Would you support Obama cutting funding for things like arts?

Yep.

Let your inner conservative out.. Come on, Bash Obama - You know you want to.. Just do it in this thread, nobody will notice and you'll feel better being honest with yourself.

 

[Stiganator]

..

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Skoorb
His cuts to the space program are prudent at this point. It is a luxury expense and the country cannot afford in the near term to spend money on sending a robot off to the stars when it has current and significant problems right in front of it. This is no different than deciding to hold off on that yacht when your company just went under. It's not an immediate necessity.

Would you support Obama cutting funding for things like arts?

Yep.

Let your inner conservative out.. Come on, Bash Obama - You know you want to.. Just do it in this thread, nobody will notice and you'll feel better being honest with yourself.

Why, I think he's done a remarkable job so far as President Elect.

 

[chess9]

The space program should be a high priority item because WE NEED TO GET OFF THIS PLANET. (Republicans FIRST.)

Anyway, as long as Treasury is printing money, just print a few extra trillion for our space program. I'm sure the Chinese will buy our bonds to support our debt as well.

Deficits don't matter, remember? The Chicago School of Economics says so-Libertarians With Low I.Q.s.

-Robert

 

[Jaskalas]

Option A: Cut spending and erase the debt.
Option B: Follow Rome

I don?t like the cuts as much as the next guy, but they are necessary across the board.

The kick in the balls is that while these programs will get cut, and shut down entirely as things get worse, wealth redistribution programs will continue undeterred. Just look at California?s budget and bankruptcy for your lesson. It?s simply a matter of fact that NASA, military, and everything else will shut down before your check stops arriving in the mail.

A politian?s fear of not winning reelection has got to be the guarantee that Option A does not exist, and that Option B is inevitable. This goes for both Republicans and Democrats.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Hehe well we are in a recession on the verge of a depression. Cuts are expected. However I will enjoy watching people who blasted Bush for not supporting NASA as much as he could praise Obama for this move.

Except that Obama didn't squander our resources in Iraq.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Genx87
Hehe well we are in a recession on the verge of a depression. Cuts are expected. However I will enjoy watching people who blasted Bush for not supporting NASA as much as he could praise Obama for this move.

Except that Obama didn't squander our resources in Iraq.

I could make a post about corned beef hash, and I honestly think some of you could link it to Bush, Iraq, etc.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: ironwing
OP: I think you might be under the impression that NASA is an agency primarily concerned with science and engineering. It isn't. NASA's function is to transfer billions of tax dollars per year to politically connected contractors. What we get in return is largely irrelevant in the equation. Putting on a show for the public once in a while is good marketing but that's about all it it. Ares in/out, Atlas in/out is a political decision based on who greased whom more.

At least some one invented something useful for those billions. What have we gotten from the billions transferred to the contractors to support Iraq besides thousands of dead and wounded troops?

This is where I disagree with the 'wasted money' in Iraq argument.

War isn't always wasted money, it creates a ton of jobs and the war in Iraq I think arguably could be credited with saving TONS of defense jobs. Our troops are getting combat pay, tons of contractors are getting work over there. Companies are selling power and water equipment over there.. etc. Its not just going into a black hole.

Says the guy posting from the comfort and safety of his home.

Wow nice...that's the absolute worst Iraq invasion justification I've yet seen on P&N, kudos to that fucking guy.

 

[Brovane]

Here is a better website that lists some of the NASA spinoffs.

http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html

Some of the highlights

GROUND PROCESSING SCHEDULING SYSTEM - Computer-based scheduling system that uses artificial intelligence to manage thousands of overlapping activities involved in launch preparations of NASA's Space Shuttles. The NASA technology was licensed to a new company which developed commercial applications that provide real-time planning and optimization of manufacturing operations, integrated supply chains, and customer orders.uu

SEMICONDUCTOR CUBING - NASA initiative led to the Memory Short Stack, a three-dimensional semiconductor package in which dozens of integrated circuits are stacked one atop another to form a cube, offering faster computer processing speeds, higher levels of integration, lower power requirements than conventional chip sets, and dramatic reduction in the size and weight of memory-intensive systems, such as medical imaging devices.

SENSORS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL - NASA development of an instrument for use in space life support research led to commercial development of a system to monitor an industrial process stream to assure that the effluent water's pH level is in compliance with environmental regulations.

WIND MONITOR - Development of Jimsphere wind measurement balloon for space launches allows for making high resolution measurements of the wind profile for meteorological studies and predictions.

DIGITAL IMAGING BREAST BIOPSY SYSTEM - The LORAD Stereo Guide Breast Biopsy system incorporates advanced Charge Coupled Devices (CCDs) as part of a digital camera system. The resulting device images breast tissue more clearly and efficiently. Known as stereotactic large-core needle biopsy, this nonsurgical system developed with Space Telescope Technology is less traumatic and greatly reduces the pain, scarring, radiation exposure, time, and money associated with surgical biopsies.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

That's all great, but how do you want to pay for all of this spending? The truth is that cutting spending anywhere hurts somebody. Based on what Obama has always said about science and his support of scientific endeavors, I don't think he really WANTS to cut spending for NASA, but rather sees it a necessity in light of the economy.

he shouldn't be cutting spending at all. it took the spending of WWII to get the country out of the great depression. if this one is as bad as all the talking heads hope it is, we'll need some pretty heavy spending to get out of it.

and at the interest rates the US gov't is getting right now the cost of the debt is particularly low. it's been so low for so long that it's actually slightly easier for the US to afford its debt now than when shrub took office 8 years ago, despite the massive amount of debt shrub has piled on.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: ironwing
OP: I think you might be under the impression that NASA is an agency primarily concerned with science and engineering. It isn't. NASA's function is to transfer billions of tax dollars per year to politically connected contractors. What we get in return is largely irrelevant in the equation. Putting on a show for the public once in a while is good marketing but that's about all it it. Ares in/out, Atlas in/out is a political decision based on who greased whom more.

At least some one invented something useful for those billions. What have we gotten from the billions transferred to the contractors to support Iraq besides thousands of dead and wounded troops?

This is where I disagree with the 'wasted money' in Iraq argument.

War isn't always wasted money, it creates a ton of jobs and the war in Iraq I think arguably could be credited with saving TONS of defense jobs. Our troops are getting combat pay, tons of contractors are getting work over there. Companies are selling power and water equipment over there.. etc. Its not just going into a black hole.

Says the guy posting from the comfort and safety of his home.

Wow nice...that's the absolute worst Iraq invasion justification I've yet seen on P&N, kudos to that fucking guy.

No shit. So what he is saying is that if the economy is fucked up over here, it is perfectly OK to bomb some country so that the troops have something to do and that our rich corporations can profit even more from the rebuilding. I still wonder WHWBHWB. I don't remember any chicken hawk that used to post here ever being quite this stupid.