SID's, is a cure really beneficial to society?

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
mb it's best that it occurred. mb it's natures way of saying "hey, that kids genes was bad for the gene pool"?

mb?

What the hell is so difficult in writing out "maybe." I had to read that crap 3 times before I new where you were trying to convey.

i knew what you were trying to convey.

mb that is better.

 

[buck]

Jeebus, why in the living hell would you post this? Try saying this when you have a newborn at home with your wife.

Grow up you troll.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Ignorance and trolling are strong in this thread. SIDS can be "cured" very easily. A baby should sleep on a flat mattress, no pillows or blankets. Have a baby monitor installed, even one's with video feed are now less then $100.00 and check up on your sleeping kid often.

Well, I starting looking into SIDs again (it's been years since we had to worry about such) and come across a lot of agreement with the following.

Even though the cause of SIDS remains unknown, scientific efforts have eliminated various misleading theories. We know that SIDS is NOT any of these conditions:

* Apnea (not breathing): Infants with apnea can be resuscitated. A crib monitor can detect when a SIDS victim stops breathing, but a SIDS victim is already dead when that happens.

* SIDS is not predictable or preventable.

Yes, monitors are good and sleep conditions are important to prevent SIDs-like suffocation, but apparent more research has shown SIDs is more than just this.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Humans breed physical and mental imperfections.
Poor eyesight. Retardation. etc...
We are not a logical species. We are an emotionally attached species.
We don't worry about the future of our species, and progression. We worry about here, and now, about our own petty problems and feelings.

I don't think SIDs has anything to do with this.
Wanting to protect your child, your young, is one of the most natural instincts we still have.
Survival.
A cure would be very beneficial to society. Cures always are.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
mb it's best that it occurred. mb it's natures way of saying "hey, that kids genes was bad for the gene pool"?

mb?

What the hell is so difficult in writing out "maybe." I had to read that crap 3 times before I new where you were trying to convey.

i knew what you were trying to convey.

mb that is better.

typo != intentional, repeated asshat abbreviations only known to other AOL emo kids.

Notice I didn't bash you on your craptastic use of apostrophes.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Looney
We've transcended survival of the fittest evolution the moment we erected shelters. Since the environment is no longer a factor in survival, we can evolve based on other attributes instead. Look at the people who are at the forefront of science and technology, they're not the best athletically built. We can use science and technology to save those who would not have lived naturally, and who knows, perhaps they have other ways of contributing to society or to the gene pool.

:thumbsup: You need to post this everytime someone drags out the "darwin uber alles" response.

This just shows your ignorance. The evolution of the brain is the next step in human evolution. It's still survival of the fittest: kill or be killed, it's just not in an exactly literal sense.

DARWIN UBER ALLES!

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Ignorance and trolling are strong in this thread. SIDS can be "cured" very easily. A baby should sleep on a flat mattress, no pillows or blankets. Have a baby monitor installed, even one's with video feed are now less then $100.00 and check up on your sleeping kid often.

You're assuming that all SID are due to smothering or something similar. In fact, SID is quite unknown, it's assumed that some are due to smothering. Also, there is a higher risk factor if the baby was born premature or was a 'crack baby.'

As for baby monitors and motion detectors... babies don't move that often anyways when they're asleep. If they stopped breathing, how would you know? It doesn't take long for an infant to die when they're not breathing.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Queasy
There is a cure for SIDs...it is called a baby monitor!

When our first baby was born prematurely we had a monitor hooked up directly to him. When the doctor took him off of that we bought a monitor that you put under the mattress that can detect when a baby stops moving. We've used it on him and our first child.

I don't think SIDs is a disease as much as it is a baby's development. Sometimes the baby isn't developed enough and their brain forgets to tell their body to breathe.

How is that a cure? I hope you aren't serious in your belief that just because your baby did not get it when you had a monitor, no one will. That is totally illogical. No one knows the cause and it is extremely sudden. So your baby stops moving, what are you going to do, fly around the world really fast to turn time backwards?

What you think causes SIDS and what reality are do not necessarily coincide.

When did I say my baby didn't get it? I can't tell you how many times my wife and I jumped out of bed because my first born's monitor went off because he had stopped breathing.

Proof that what I said doesn't coincide? And I didn't state it as "fact" I stated it as "I think" based off my own experience. The reason my son would stop breathing was because he was premature.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Ignorance and trolling are strong in this thread. SIDS can be "cured" very easily. A baby should sleep on a flat mattress, no pillows or blankets. Have a baby monitor installed, even one's with video feed are now less then $100.00 and check up on your sleeping kid often.

Well, I starting looking into SIDs again (it's been years since we had to worry about such) and come across a lot of agreement with the following.

Even though the cause of SIDS remains unknown, scientific efforts have eliminated various misleading theories. We know that SIDS is NOT any of these conditions:

* Apnea (not breathing): Infants with apnea can be resuscitated. A crib monitor can detect when a SIDS victim stops breathing, but a SIDS victim is already dead when that happens.

* SIDS is not predictable or preventable.

Yes, monitors are good and sleep conditions are important to prevent SIDs-like suffocation, but apparent more research has shown SIDs is more than just this.

the problem with SIDS is the kind of emotion shown by buck in the following quote:

Originally posted by: buck
Jeebus, why in the living hell would you post this? Try saying this when you have a newborn at home with your wife.

Grow up you troll.

SIDS is a very emotionally laden topic to discuss and it is difficult to discuss it without someone getting emotional.

there are many SIDS like conditions that ARE preventable, and hence if the infant does die of this SIDS like condition the parents might be liable.

the whole point of emphasising (it seems to me anyway) that SIDS is not preventable is to take away stigma from the parents of children that die of SIDS.

but i wonder, in reality, how many of those cases were really SIDS and how many SIDS like?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
mb it's best that it occurred. mb it's natures way of saying "hey, that kids genes was bad for the gene pool"?

mb?

What the hell is so difficult in writing out "maybe." I had to read that crap 3 times before I new where you were trying to convey.

i knew what you were trying to convey.

mb that is better.

typo != intentional, repeated asshat abbreviations only known to other AOL emo kids.

Notice I didn't bash you on your craptastic use of apostrophes.

the difference being, i wasn't trying to correct you. :roll:

 

[linkgoron]

Meh I stopped breathing twice when I was a baby, and without monitoring or anything I'm here today, 18 years later. Woot.
Maybe I should just drop dead because nature told me that my genes are poor.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Queasy
There is a cure for SIDs...it is called a baby monitor!

When our first baby was born prematurely we had a monitor hooked up directly to him. When the doctor took him off of that we bought a monitor that you put under the mattress that can detect when a baby stops moving. We've used it on him and our first child.

I don't think SIDs is a disease as much as it is a baby's development. Sometimes the baby isn't developed enough and their brain forgets to tell their body to breathe.

How is that a cure? I hope you aren't serious in your belief that just because your baby did not get it when you had a monitor, no one will. That is totally illogical. No one knows the cause and it is extremely sudden. So your baby stops moving, what are you going to do, fly around the world really fast to turn time backwards?

What you think causes SIDS and what reality are do not necessarily coincide.

When did I say my baby didn't get it? I can't tell you how many times my wife and I jumped out of bed because my first born's monitor went off because he had stopped breathing.

Proof that what I said doesn't coincide? And I didn't state it as "fact" I stated it as "I think" based off my own experience. The reason my son would stop breathing was because he was premature.

Your baby didn't die of it therefore it didn't get it. Your baby may have had some other breathing condition, but don't presume that it was SIDS that you prevented. If your baby had died due to failing to breathe, it likely would not have been SIDS if there was any medical explanation such as immature lung formations or similar. By definition of the condition there is no definite medical explanation for SIDS. In order to even be diagnosed as SIDS the baby has to die and have extensive examination of the baby generally including an autopsy.

 

[buck]

How old are you? Do you have any kids (obviously rhetorical)?

It pisses me off that someone like yourself would say worthless garbage like this. The fact of the matter is, when you have a child with a wife, and you have this little life that you would die for, you get emotional. SIDS is real, and when you have to worry about it for so many months, it gets you emotional when someone says the bullsh1t that you do.

You post this thread when you don't know what the fsck you are talking about. Have a child, then come back to us you worthless troll.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Looney
We've transcended survival of the fittest evolution the moment we erected shelters. Since the environment is no longer a factor in survival, we can evolve based on other attributes instead. Look at the people who are at the forefront of science and technology, they're not the best athletically built. We can use science and technology to save those who would not have lived naturally, and who knows, perhaps they have other ways of contributing to society or to the gene pool.

Good post. By the OP line of thinking, we should kill this guy, because, lets face it... he is stuck in a wheel chair and of no benefit.

 

[buck]

SIDS is a very emotionally laden topic to discuss and it is difficult to discuss it without someone getting emotional.

Its not a very emotional topic, it only becomes an emotional topic when someone who is ignorant (like yourself) says that its best for it to happen to babies for society.

 

[Looney]

Hm it could be because of the structure of the nose... kinda like in a deviated septum. My dog is a shih tzu, and she sometimes have trouble breathing for no reason... she'll be asleep, then she'll wake up and really has difficulty breathing, almost like she's choking. Scares the sh1t out of me each time, but i'm told it's normal. Anyways, she has it because of the way the nose is shaped (flat).

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Looney
We've transcended survival of the fittest evolution the moment we erected shelters. Since the environment is no longer a factor in survival, we can evolve based on other attributes instead. Look at the people who are at the forefront of science and technology, they're not the best athletically built. We can use science and technology to save those who would not have lived naturally, and who knows, perhaps they have other ways of contributing to society or to the gene pool.

Good post. By the OP line of thinking, we should kill this guy, because, lets face it... he is stuck in a wheel chair and of no benefit.

Isaac Newton should be dead too. He was born premature, and was very sick when he was younger... so sick he couldn't play with the other kids, and spent most of his time reading.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Looney
We've transcended survival of the fittest evolution the moment we erected shelters. Since the environment is no longer a factor in survival, we can evolve based on other attributes instead. Look at the people who are at the forefront of science and technology, they're not the best athletically built. We can use science and technology to save those who would not have lived naturally, and who knows, perhaps they have other ways of contributing to society or to the gene pool.

Good post. By the OP line of thinking, we should kill this guy, because, lets face it... he is stuck in a wheel chair and of no benefit.

good job, way to escalate.

the OP was simply a passing thought, not a thought out philosophy, and it only stated that not curing SIDS might not be a bad thing, from there you EXTRAPOLATE murder.


Ya, that is really the same thing. :roll:

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
mb it's best that it occurred. mb it's natures way of saying "hey, that kids genes was bad for the gene pool"?

mb?

What the hell is so difficult in writing out "maybe." I had to read that crap 3 times before I new where you were trying to convey.

i knew what you were trying to convey.

mb that is better.

typo != intentional, repeated asshat abbreviations only known to other AOL emo kids.

Notice I didn't bash you on your craptastic use of apostrophes.

the difference being, i wasn't trying to correct you. :roll:

If you pay close attention, I didn't try to correct you, either - just tried to make you feel stupid.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
mb it's best that it occurred. mb it's natures way of saying "hey, that kids genes was bad for the gene pool"?

mb?

What the hell is so difficult in writing out "maybe." I had to read that crap 3 times before I new where you were trying to convey.

i knew what you were trying to convey.

mb that is better.

typo != intentional, repeated asshat abbreviations only known to other AOL emo kids.

Notice I didn't bash you on your craptastic use of apostrophes.

the difference being, i wasn't trying to correct you. :roll:

If you pay close attention, I didn't try to correct you, either - just tried to make you feel stupid.

again, the difference is i DID make you look stupid.

 

[jjones]

I didn't think SIDS was a disease or that it could be cured. I thought SIDS was any number of random factors that could cause the sudden and unexpected death of a baby.

 

[jonessoda]

I believe the cause of SIDS is actually related to the lowering of the glottis that makes humans alone capable of speech. SIDS usually occurs in the timeframe for the lowering of the glottis in an infant, at least, and is close enough for some to think there's a correlation.

 

[GRIFFIN1]

Pretty much anything we do to prevent death is bad for human evolution.

Welfare is one of the greatest enemies of evolution.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Queasy
There is a cure for SIDs...it is called a baby monitor!

When our first baby was born prematurely we had a monitor hooked up directly to him. When the doctor took him off of that we bought a monitor that you put under the mattress that can detect when a baby stops moving. We've used it on him and our first child.

I don't think SIDs is a disease as much as it is a baby's development. Sometimes the baby isn't developed enough and their brain forgets to tell their body to breathe.

How is that a cure? I hope you aren't serious in your belief that just because your baby did not get it when you had a monitor, no one will. That is totally illogical. No one knows the cause and it is extremely sudden. So your baby stops moving, what are you going to do, fly around the world really fast to turn time backwards?

What you think causes SIDS and what reality are do not necessarily coincide.

When did I say my baby didn't get it? I can't tell you how many times my wife and I jumped out of bed because my first born's monitor went off because he had stopped breathing.

Proof that what I said doesn't coincide? And I didn't state it as "fact" I stated it as "I think" based off my own experience. The reason my son would stop breathing was because he was premature.

Your baby didn't die of it therefore it didn't get it. Your baby may have had some other breathing condition, but don't presume that it was SIDS that you prevented. If your baby had died due to failing to breathe, it likely would not have been SIDS if there was any medical explanation such as immature lung formations or similar. By definition of the condition there is no definite medical explanation for SIDS. In order to even be diagnosed as SIDS the baby has to die and have extensive examination of the baby generally including an autopsy.

You keep putting words in my mouth. I don't know why. I never said my baby had SIDs. The only time SIDs is diagnosed is AFTER the baby is dead. There are any number of factors that causes SIDs...stopping breathing is one of them!

A way to prevent this is to have your baby hooked up to a monitor with the child near! Both of our children slept in a bassinet right next to our bed so we could be there immediately if anything happened. I merely put forth a way to prevent SIDs from occuring and you get all hyperventilated.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: GRIFFIN1
Pretty much anything we do to prevent death is bad for human evolution.

Welfare is one of the greatest enemies of evolution.

I'll remember that when I see you walking out in front of a bus.