sick of new games. going back in time

[Jodell88]

I'm currently enjoying Max Payne on my Linux install.

Epic game.

 

[Tweak155]

Point is both arguments are strawman arguments. As a consumer, I NEVER cared if my single player character was capable of playing in a multi-player game. It never bothered me one bit (never even occurred to me to be bothered by it). And I bet that consumers fell largely into two buckets. those that played Multi-player and those that played single player. And if you wanted both, you could even play Multi-player, solo merely by locking the multi-player game with a password.

And the RMAH is just a bid by the company (read EA?) to grab more cash. if you start off with not caring that your single player game was single player ONLY, then the RMAH is less than useless.

Then go buy a single player game that is offline, aka not Diablo 3. Just because you had some expectations from games created over a decade ago (D1 and D2) that weren't lived up to, doesn't make Blizzard wrong for making an online only game. Nowhere did they say you could play it offline, therefor you're trying to buy the wrong game, and making it something it never was.

 

[epidemis]

There's actually plenty of gems lying around in gaming history.
Recently I have been playing this wonderful adventure game: The Longest Journey which I can only recommend, even to those who dislike adventure games.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

The funny thing is that I consider TF2 to be a modern FPS. It is the most modern one I have played at least. Have shooters really changed much since then? It wasn't released that long ago.

Watching these frag vids gets me fired up to play TF2 without fail every time
Hell, I still participate in UGC matches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8f2zTT1KqQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_6HDqddS64

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYW4oBZsHxA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilTFO2F9tOY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6-z-W5lOoE

 

[Raduque]

Watching these frag vids gets me fired up to play TF2 without fail every time
Hell, I still participate in UGC matches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8f2zTT1KqQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_6HDqddS64

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYW4oBZsHxA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilTFO2F9tOY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6-z-W5lOoE

I'll give them points for impressive presentation on those videos, but the gameplay is boring.

 

[thespyder]

Then go buy a single player game that is offline, aka not Diablo 3. Just because you had some expectations from games created over a decade ago (D1 and D2) that weren't lived up to, doesn't make Blizzard wrong for making an online only game. Nowhere did they say you could play it offline, therefor you're trying to buy the wrong game, and making it something it never was.

My expectation, and a perfectly reasonable one in my view, is that Diablo 3 will be in the same vein as Diablo 1 and Diablo 2. To expect otherwise seems very unreasonable to me. After all, it is a franchise. They should all be enhancements of the previous version.

And what makes Blizzard wrong is that they made the single player game always online to absolutely zero benefit for the single player consumer, and quite considerable detriment to the person that is paying their salaries (i.e. the very same consumer).

Diablo 2 had a perfectly acceptable scheme for the player who wanted to do single player and multi-player. You played online but locked the game. And if you only wanted single player, you could play it in a bunker with no internet access. and your "Battle Tag" wasn't restricted. Nor was your character name. And if the world went to hell, you could still play and weren't tied to the Blizzard servers.

It is a significant disservice to the consumer. And it makes them wrong.

 

[TheSlamma]

Master of Magic
Thief 1 & 2
Rainbow 6
Quest for Glory 1-4
Heroes of M&M 3
Total Annihilation
AoE2

Hmm what else sounds good?

The Indy stuff lately has been very fun
Trine 1&2
Grimrock
Toy Soldiers (I know it's M$ but the dev is sigmatel?)

 

[PhoenixEnigma]

There's actually plenty of gems lying around in gaming history.
Recently I have been playing this wonderful adventure game: The Longest Journey which I can only recommend, even to those who dislike adventure games.

I've just started playing this again (I started but never finished it when it was new), and it's a wonderful throwback. It's nice to see a game where the dev's clearly had some fun making it and they could get away with a little more. The voice acting is pretty decent, too, and the story is good enough my girlfriend has been watching along with the gameplay (and helping solve puzzles <3)

 

[Pr0d1gy]

It is a significant disservice to the consumer. And it makes them wrong.

Absolutely. They sell features like this in the guise of customer protection when, in fact, it is purely and solely greed. This is why I have quit buying new games, well one of the myriad reasons.

 

[darkewaffle]

This is like those ATOT threads where old people complain that there's no good movies or books or TV or music anymore.

 

[Tweak155]

My expectation, and a perfectly reasonable one in my view, is that Diablo 3 will be in the same vein as Diablo 1 and Diablo 2. To expect otherwise seems very unreasonable to me. After all, it is a franchise. They should all be enhancements of the previous version.

And what makes Blizzard wrong is that they made the single player game always online to absolutely zero benefit for the single player consumer, and quite considerable detriment to the person that is paying their salaries (i.e. the very same consumer).

Diablo 2 had a perfectly acceptable scheme for the player who wanted to do single player and multi-player. You played online but locked the game. And if you only wanted single player, you could play it in a bunker with no internet access. and your "Battle Tag" wasn't restricted. Nor was your character name. And if the world went to hell, you could still play and weren't tied to the Blizzard servers.

It is a significant disservice to the consumer. And it makes them wrong.

A reasonable expectation is irrelevant. They can make a game how they want, you choose whether or not to buy the game. It is a type of game you aren't looking for, so don't buy it. Whining is pointless and doesn't make THEM wrong, as YOU aren't their target market for this game.

 

[thespyder]

A reasonable expectation is irrelevant. They can make a game how they want, you choose whether or not to buy the game. It is a type of game you aren't looking for, so don't buy it. Whining is pointless and doesn't make THEM wrong, as YOU aren't their target market for this game.

Boy do I love people like you.

I am not their target market? Interesting. I have played every Diablo game and expansion to date (barring D3). I have played every Blizzard game to date except WoW. I am an avid gamer with disposable cash. And I have been a very positive proponent of Diablo franchise for more than a decade. And I am a share holder. In what way am I not their target demographic?

And barring the 'Always online' there is nothing about the game that is not exactly the type of game that I like and play. I have been avidly awaiting the game for more than 10 years.

Finally, stating publicly that a tactical decision on a game mechanic is not to the liking of avid consumers in the appropriate demographic, in a forum that is likely to come to the attention of stock holders of the company is hardly whining. Stating in specific terms how that tactical decision could be made significantly more marketable and more palatable for the target consumer base is not whining.

 

[Tweak155]

Boy do I love people like you.

I am not their target market? Interesting. I have played every Diablo game and expansion to date (barring D3). I have played every Blizzard game to date except WoW. I am an avid gamer with disposable cash. And I have been a very positive proponent of Diablo franchise for more than a decade. And I am a share holder. In what way am I not their target demographic?

And barring the 'Always online' there is nothing about the game that is not exactly the type of game that I like and play. I have been avidly awaiting the game for more than 10 years.

Finally, stating publicly that a tactical decision on a game mechanic is not to the liking of avid consumers in the appropriate demographic, in a forum that is likely to come to the attention of stock holders of the company is hardly whining. Stating in specific terms how that tactical decision could be made significantly more marketable and more palatable for the target consumer base is not whining.

You aren't the target market in the fact you don't like the aspects of the game, regardless of your previous experience. Their market are the people that are willing to play it online exclusively, therefor you are outside of that market and aka you aren't part of their long term revenue goal. A demographic is a different story, which is a broader umbrella in which you fall under.

Differences between a target market and demographic

Anything else?

EDIT:

Actually after briefing my own link, perhaps the correct term is "Target Customer". But it stands that these terms are in fact distinguishable.

Ultimately I'm bringing to light the fact that they knew they were excluding customers not willing to play an exclusively online game, which includes you. They chose to and intentionally left the game to this design, it was THEIR choice. The customer can attribute any reason they want as to why this path was chosen, but the end result is the customer that doesn't like it will not buy it. So consciously you and many others were excluded. So I don't get why you're whining. Either play the game or don't.

 

[borisvodofsky]

lol Yeah kid, I was ranked in the top 100 when everyone was still playing it. Typical cheater response ^^^^

How insulting..

I've only ever cheated in Single player campaigns because grinding is for idiots. D:

 

[Maximilian]

You aren't the target market in the fact you don't like the aspects of the game, regardless of your previous experience. Their market are the people that are willing to play it online exclusively, therefor you are outside of that market and aka you aren't part of their long term revenue goal. A demographic is a different story, which is a broader umbrella in which you fall under.

Differences between a target market and demographic

Anything else?

Who gives a shit about demographics? Since when is this a business strategy forum?

I will get diablo 3 for the same reason i got diablo 2, the multiplayer, yet i am not so short sighted and selfish that i cannot see how bullshit it is that they force people who only want it for the single player and storyline to be online to play the game. Its utter garbage and anyone who welcomes this kind of crap is clearly not a true gamer of any sort.

 

[borisvodofsky]

Boy do I love people like you.

I am not their target market? Interesting. I have played every Diablo game and expansion to date (barring D3). I have played every Blizzard game to date except WoW. I am an avid gamer with disposable cash. And I have been a very positive proponent of Diablo franchise for more than a decade. And I am a share holder. In what way am I not their target demographic?

And barring the 'Always online' there is nothing about the game that is not exactly the type of game that I like and play. I have been avidly awaiting the game for more than 10 years.

Finally, stating publicly that a tactical decision on a game mechanic is not to the liking of avid consumers in the appropriate demographic, in a forum that is likely to come to the attention of stock holders of the company is hardly whining. Stating in specific terms how that tactical decision could be made significantly more marketable and more palatable for the target consumer base is not whining.

If you wouldn't have bought the game, then You're NOT their target. They target people who will buy their game.

 

[thespyder]

You aren't the target market in the fact you don't like the aspects of the game, regardless of your previous experience. Their market are the people that are willing to play it online exclusively, therefor you are outside of that market and aka you aren't part of their long term revenue goal. A demographic is a different story, which is a broader umbrella in which you fall under.

Differences between a target market and demographic

Anything else?

Um, their target market are fans of the Diablo franchise. And consumers that enjoy Action RPG games. And Fantasy realms. All of which I am a big fan of. The fact that one single element of the game is not to my liking does not exclude me from the target market.

I didn't like the ending of ME3. That doesn't exclude me from the target market of the ME series. I didn't like the KB&M mapping scheme for KoA:R. That didn't exclude me from the target market. I didn't like the 'Real time' simulator of Xcom: Apocalypse. that didn't exclude me from the target market.

And just for the record, I enjoy Multi-player games and the Multi-player aspect of Diablo 2 very much. What I disagree with is the decision to make the single player game always online with ZERO benefit to the consumer and significant detriment to that same consumer. This isn't a Genre changing element, it is a poor design flaw.

I really hope you aren't in marketing.

If you wouldn't have bought the game, then You're NOT their target. They target people who will buy their game.

I would have bought the game. It is the inclusion of one single poor element that makes me balk at it. and if consumers don't let developers know what concerns they have about the products that they are buying, the developers will never learn from that information and change their patterns. It is called Feedback.

 

[Tweak155]

Um, their target market are fans of the Diablo franchise. And consumers that enjoy Action RPG games. And Fantasy realms. All of which I am a big fan of. The fact that one single element of the game is not to my liking does not exclude me from the target market.

I didn't like the ending of ME3. That doesn't exclude me from the target market of the ME series. I didn't like the KB&M mapping scheme for KoA:R. That didn't exclude me from the target market. I didn't like the 'Real time' simulator of Xcom: Apocalypse. that didn't exclude me from the target market.

And just for the record, I enjoy Multi-player games and the Multi-player aspect of Diablo 2 very much. What I disagree with is the decision to make the single player game always online with ZERO benefit to the consumer and significant detriment to that same consumer. This isn't a Genre changing element, it is a poor design flaw.

I really hope you aren't in marketing.

Sorry I added a long edit, here:

Actually after briefing my own link, perhaps the correct term is "Target Customer". But it stands that these terms are in fact distinguishable.

Ultimately I'm bringing to light the fact that they knew they were excluding customers not willing to play an exclusively online game, which includes you. They chose to and intentionally left the game to this design, it was THEIR choice. The customer can attribute any reason they want as to why this path was chosen, but the end result is the customer that doesn't like it will not buy it. So consciously you and many others were excluded. So I don't get why you're whining. Either play the game or don't.



That said if I was in marketing, I'd try to get anyone and everyone to buy the game, but realize people such as yourself are a waste of time and money spent trying to convince you to buy it.

 

[Tweak155]

Who gives a shit about demographics? Since when is this a business strategy forum?

I will get diablo 3 for the same reason i got diablo 2, the multiplayer, yet i am not so short sighted and selfish that i cannot see how bullshit it is that they force people who only want it for the single player and storyline to be online to play the game. Its utter garbage and anyone who welcomes this kind of crap is clearly not a true gamer of any sort.

Sigh, I'm not a fan of what they did either. However it was their choice to exclude people from playing it as a single player game offline. I am neither shortsighted or selfish, if that is what you are insinuating.

 

[Tweak155]

I would have bought the game. It is the inclusion of one single poor element that makes me balk at it.

This could be true of any aspect of any game. It comes down to them trying to make the most dollars, and excluding you was how they felt it would best be done. The amount of money to be made to make people like yourself happy was decided to be less than the amount of money to be made to kick you to the curb. So... see ya!

 

[borisvodofsky]

I'll give them points for impressive presentation on those videos, but the gameplay is boring.

mainly because they made sure that you can't solo the game. it's team fortress, not I'm-awesome-pwnage-fortress


That said, I'd rather play I'm-awesome-pwnage-fortress

 

[Maximilian]

Sigh, I'm not a fan of what they did either. However it was their choice to exclude people from playing it as a single player game offline. I am neither shortsighted or selfish, if that is what you are insinuating.

Yeah its their choice everyone realizes that, its also a garbage choice, i cannot fathom why someone on a pc gaming forum would defend this practice of being forced to stay online for single player.

"Whining" as you put it earlier about this sort of behavior from a company is perfectly justified IMO. Backlashes that follow crap such as this can potentially kill a franchise stone dead.

 

[Tweak155]

Yeah its their choice everyone realizes that, its also a garbage choice, i cannot fathom why someone on a pc gaming forum would defend this practice of being forced to stay online for single player.

"Whining" as you put it earlier about this sort of behavior from a company is perfectly justified IMO. Backlashes that follow crap such as this can potentially kill a franchise stone dead.

Where am I defending anything about their choices? I'm explaining the reasoning because a few assumptions are being tossed about. I have already stated I don't like it, either.

Whining here at least won't do much. You won't convince the people that are OK with it otherwise, so might as well send your thoughts to Blizzard. They want your money, not us.

 

[Maximilian]

Where am I defending anything about their choices? I'm explaining the reasoning because a few assumptions are being tossed about. I have already stated I don't like it, either.

Whining here at least won't do much. You won't convince the people that are OK with it otherwise, so might as well send your thoughts to Blizzard. They want your money, not us.

Whos ok with it? Look at amazon reviews, look at metacritic, gamers are pissed about this lol.

 

[Tweak155]

Whos ok with it? Look at amazon reviews, look at metacritic, gamers are pissed about this lol.

Ok? If you completely ignore the positive reviews, sure there is no one ok with it... Or the millions that bought it, or the billion in presales.............