Sick of buying products that are radically changed

[xaeniac]

1st world problem

 

[darkswordsman17]

They did this with Dr Pepper in the UK.
Slapped a small "New improved" logo on it so that you barely notice it without looking, because you assume if you're buying Dr Pepper you're buying Dr Pepper and don't expect anything to be different.

The "improvement" is taking out a third of the sugar and replacing it with the Coke Zero (I think) sweetener.
When Coke did this recently, they called it something different, Coke Life. Dr Pepper they just say "new improved" and get rid of the original full sugar version entirely. Although for now it is Coke which makes Dr Pepper in the UK. Soon it will be made by someone else and hopefully they will go back to the old recipe.

(This is in the UK so by sugar I mean sugar).

Weird. Are you sure that's how it happened? Seems like all of the diet and "hybrid" drinks have been marketed entirely differently. I thought the UK had even more stringent advertising/marketing laws too.

I believe Coke Life is using one of the new sugar replacement sweeteners (Wiki says Stevia while Coke Zero uses a couple of other ones, which one you get depends on region).

I hate it when they change food. Plus everything is soaked in a corn syrup bath these days - sodas, baked beans, pancake syrup, even canned fruit. Apparently most people don't notice the difference, but...bleh.

I can see the complaint somewhat, but I think that's being pretty overblown. A lot of foods actually always had sugar in them, but then the scare up over HFCS started and people started to notice. It's like the people who try to argue how people used to eat healthier when they used to slather lard and butter on everything.

For canned fruit, I think they have 3 versions, the syrup one, the sugar alternative sweetened ones, and then the non-sweetened ones? I do wish they'd cut down the syrup some as the fruit you get out of it is just coated in it, but you can always rinse it off (it'll retain some of the syrup but will cut it down quite a bit). I think it's had the sweetened and unsweetened versions for decades though so it's not like that's a new development. And for beans, some of them are outright marketed (brown sugar).

Not quite. True, corn is heavily subsidized, but the bigger reason HFCS is used as a sweetener is that the US government imposes very heavy tariffs on imported sugar, which artificially inflates the price of sugar. Of course, this policy is continued only because of very heavy lobbying by domestic sugar producers.

Yep, although part of the reason for HFCS's abundance is I believe it can be easier to mix in the large scale food industry operations.

But the sugarcane producers lobbying has been even worse than the corn ones I think. I believe there was supposed to possibly be some changes coming though due to the new trade agreement with Mexico, they were going to start allowing some cane sugar to be imported or something. I don't know if it actually went through or what, but I have noticed a lot of products saying no HFCS (which generally just means they're putting normal sugar in it instead). If prices were still substantially out of whack we wouldn't be seeing that, but it might be because some of the corn subsidies (like for ethanol) have been reduced.

Actually I think that's been a huge part of the problem for the US, food production was subsidized so much that it led to a glut of cheap food (which then enabled companies to come up with all sorts of other even cheaper junk food), so Americans overate for decades and food prices are way out of whack which had impact on the rest of the economy. But now that food prices are starting to normalize a bit more we're seeing pretty big shifts in food prices, and so already dealing with an economy that's substantially altered from even a decade ago, and rising food prices, people are feeling extra pinched.

 

[Carson Dyle]

I believe there was supposed to possibly be some changes coming though due to the new trade agreement with Mexico, they were going to start allowing some cane sugar to be imported or something.

Yes, I read about that, but I believe the sugar growers and their lobbyists have been fighting hard to have it reversed.

I don't know if it actually went through or what, but I have noticed a lot of products saying no HFCS (which generally just means they're putting normal sugar in it instead). If prices were still substantially out of whack we wouldn't be seeing that, but it might be because some of the corn subsidies (like for ethanol) have been reduced.

I think it's just been another marketing angle, brought on by all the bad press that HFCS has gotten in recent years. I don't drink much soda at all ... probably less than 1 gallon per year, but I do occasionally enjoy a bottle of Mexican Coke, and happily pay 4x the price for it.

 

[MongGrel]

Hormel chili changed some time in the '90s and has sucked ever since. In fact, I can't find any chili that tastes like all chili used to in the late '80s and early '90s.

Actually, I felt the same way.

The wife recently picked this up and was surprised I liked it so much, if you can find it in your area give it a try.

Wolf® Brand Chili: The authentic Texas recipe

http://www.wolfbrandchili.com/

http://www.wolfbrandchili.com/classic-recipes

I still prefer my sister-in-laws home made when I get it, but I prefer this way over Hormel.

 

[wangotango]

For me it's cat litter. Fresh Step has gone to the ineffective side.

 

[Ichinisan]

For me it's cat litter. Fresh Step has gone to the ineffective side.

Try Arm & Hammer "Clump & Seal"

Stuff passes through the scoop seive like water and it's a breeze to clean up. Also traps odors waaaay better than that so-called "World's Best" I used before.

It also lasts waaay longer before it's soiled enough to change the litter. Like some kind of miracle modern technology.

 

[angminas]

1. Sometimes our tastes change as we get older.

2. When the product is changed, yeah, fuck that. For me the problem is shoes and socks. I'll finally find something that works, and then they "improve" it, and I can't wear it anymore. WHY. Also I used to buy Bulls-Eye BBQ sauce because it didn't have HFCS...now it does, with no notification on the label. WHY

3. There is HFCS-free ketchup.

4. Going off gluten sucks pretty badly in the USA, but not as badly as the symptoms, for some people. I have a friend who gets a migraine if he so much as eats the wrong salad dressing.

 

[IronWing]

It's hard to find ice cream anymore that isn't packed with whey. Some formerly "natural" brands have gotten so bad they dropped the term "ice cream" and went to "frozen dessert".

 

[smackababy]

It's hard to find ice cream anymore that isn't packed with whey. Some formerly "natural" brands have gotten so bad they dropped the term "ice cream" and went to "frozen dessert".

Are you suggesting whey isn't natural? Do you understand what whey is?

 

[WilliamM2]

Cocoa Pebbles used to be an awesome cereal, and then at some point the taste and quality changed, I'd find 1/4 of what I poured would just sink to the bottom of the bowl and taste stale.

Odd, that's my favorite cereal, and I've never noticed a change (other than the boxes getting smaller over the years, like everything else). Had some last night, and none of it sunk to the bottom either.

 

[OverVolt]

Are you suggesting whey isn't natural? Do you understand what whey is?

Hmm the dried powdered stuff from milk that contains nitrosamines (like all dried powder goods) and is probably the reason body builders drop dead left and right in their 30's when you eat like 10 servings of it a day. ?

http://books.google.com/books?id=6c...page&q=nitrosamines and powdered food&f=false

 

[smackababy]

Hmm the dried powdered stuff from milk that contains nitrosamines (like all dried powder goods) and is probably the reason body builders drop dead left and right in their 30's. ?

I am going to go with no, on all claims made in that post.

 

[wangotango]

Try Arm & Hammer "Clump & Seal"

Stuff passes through the scoop seive like water and it's a breeze to clean up. Also traps odors waaaay better than that so-called "World's Best" I used before.

It also lasts waaay longer before it's soiled enough to change the litter. Like some kind of miracle modern technology.

Good to know. See, I never considered that brand from previous experience. Going to try the Sam's Club brand, friends swear by it. My wife brought one home. Well see I guess. The fresh step has changed like 3 or more times in the past 2 years, always new and improved.

 

[IronWing]

Are you suggesting whey isn't natural? Do you understand what whey is?

Do you understand that whey has no place in ice cream? Dog poop is natural but it too has no place in ice cream.

 

[Cerb]

Do you understand that whey has no place in ice cream? Dog poop is natural but it too has no place in ice cream.

Nor do all those gums. You can almost chew most ice cream, now.

 

[OverVolt]

I am going to go with no, on all claims made in that post.

No really, powdered goods have nitrosamines.

Anyway, they don't die of cancer, but heart attack.

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2014/817019/

Just random free shithole studies that are free online. The good ones are behind paywalls. But its still true either way.

Odds are its nonfat dried milk they are using to reduce costs. Like they do for skim, 1% and 2% milk.

Shit like this happens all the time: http://military-fitness.military.com/2013/02/does-bodybuilding-destroy-your-heart.html and of course bodybuilders down all kinds of powdered goods left and right and can't figure it out. (Hint, all the powdered goods)

For awhile now since the 1970's in bigname commercial products there has been a drive to reduce nitrosamines in powdered goods, beer and even hotdogs (vitamin C is a mandatory addition to prevent the formation of nitrosamines, however not in lunchmeat making boiled hotdogs actually safer to eat than Turkey. Of interesting note is that Subway uses Vitamin C in all their lunchmeat anyway as well was Oscar Mayer even though not required by law to do so)

Anyways bodybuilders consume a lot of specialty powdered goods and I would imagine some of them are sky high in nitrosamines. Take out all the antioxidants and concentrating protein in powder form is a recipe for disaster.

 

[smackababy]

Do you understand that whey has no place in ice cream? Dog poop is natural but it too has no place in ice cream.

You do realize that all ice cream has milk and cream, both of which have whey.

Claiming something that is a dairy product has whey is fucking stupid, unless you're talking about cheese.

 

[IronWing]

You do realize that all ice cream has milk and cream, both of which have whey.

Claiming something that is a dairy product has whey is fucking stupid, unless you're talking about cheese.

Replacing cream with whey to drive down costs is the issue. An inferior product has replaced what came before.

 

[Cerb]

You do realize that all ice cream has milk and cream, both of which have whey.

Claiming something that is a dairy product has whey is fucking stupid, unless you're talking about cheese.

Oh, bullshit (or, if you'd prefer, strawman). Claiming something that is a dairy product having whey in its ingredients list is no more or less fucking stupid than guar gum, xanthan gum, corn syrup, mono- and diglycerides, polysorbate 80, dog poop, etc..

Not counting flavors, it should have no more than cream, milk (optional), and sugar (optional). Whey does not belong in the list of ingredients any more than the saturated fat does.

 

[disappoint]

Most recently:

Era liquid laundry detergent. I've been using Era for at least 10 years, mostly just because I liked how it smelled. The last jug I bought smells like turpentine.

Read this thread yesterday, didn't think much about it other than: Well that sucks, I wonder what's causing it?

Today I cut up a mango and tasted it. It tasted like turpentine. I was like: "Didn't I read a thread about something tasting or smelling like turpentine yesterday?"

Turns out some cultivars of mango taste like turpentine.

Cultivation

Mangoes have been cultivated in South Asia for thousands of years[10] and reached East Asia between the fifth and fourth centuries BC. By the 10th century AD, cultivation had begun in East Africa.[10] The 14th-century Moroccan traveler Ibn Battuta reported it at Mogadishu.[11] Cultivation came later to Brazil, the West Indies, and Mexico, where an appropriate climate allows its growth.[10]
The mango is now cultivated in most frost-free tropical and warmer subtropical climates; almost half of the world's mangoes are cultivated in India alone, with the second-largest source being China.[12][13][14] Mangoes are also grown in Andalusia, Spain (mainly in Málaga province), as its coastal subtropical climate is one of the few places in mainland Europe that allows the growth of tropical plants and fruit trees. The Canary Islands are another notable Spanish producer of the fruit. Other cultivators include North America (in South Florida and California's Coachella Valley), South and Central America, the Caribbean, Hawai'i, south, west, and central Africa, Australia, China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Southeast Asia. Though India is the largest producer of mangoes, it accounts for less than 1% of the international mango trade; India consumes most of its own production.[15]
Many commercial cultivars are grafted on to the cold-hardy rootstock of 'Gomera-1' mango cultivar, originally from Cuba. Its root system is well adapted to a coastal Mediterranean climate.[16] Many of the 1,000+ mango cultivars are easily cultivated using grafted saplings, ranging from the "turpentine mango" (named for its strong taste of turpentine[17]) to the huevos de toro.[citation needed] Dwarf or semidwarf varieties serve as ornamental plants and can be grown in containers. A wide variety of diseases can afflict mangoes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mango

 

[Atomic Playboy]

obviously their parents failed

Speaking as a new parent, I seriously hope my daughter decides that the cheap fake shit is superior to the real stuff. Not that I particularly want to have Log Cabin or Aunt Jemimah around the house, mind you, but real maple syrup costs literally $17,000 per ounce (this might not be true). At some point it's going to be a tradeoff; you either get real maple syrup or you go to college. Choose wisely.

 

[smackababy]

Oh, bullshit (or, if you'd prefer, strawman). Claiming something that is a dairy product having whey in its ingredients list is no more or less fucking stupid than guar gum, xanthan gum, corn syrup, mono- and diglycerides, polysorbate 80, dog poop, etc..

Not counting flavors, it should have no more than cream, milk (optional), and sugar (optional). Whey does not belong in the list of ingredients any more than the saturated fat does.

I am confused as to what you're arguing. Whey is a part of milk. It shouldn't be listed in the ingredients, but his post was about ice cream having whey. ALL ice cream that has milk has whey.

 

[Carson Dyle]

disappoint: Nice find.

I think I figured out the deal with the Vlasic Dills, at least. I tried them again today and they weren't quite as bad, but still not what I'm used to. These were "Original" or somesuch, and I usually buy the Kosher dills. These things taste like rubber. So, my fault on that one.

What I can't understand about the laundry detergent's scent: I can understand a corporation trying to make something "better", or producing it cheaper to increase their profit margins. But something like a scented detergent is _highly_ dependent on its smell. Are they incapable of testing a new formulation and at least trying to get it to smell the same? This, to me, would be like a food producer changing a recipe without testing it, or by using testers who cannot distinguish between tastes. It's product suicide.

The dryer sheets may have exactly the same scent as always (it's so overpowering that it's hard to tell), but they have about 100x as much. Did someone actually say "If people like this Outdoor Fresh scent, then they'll absolutely LOVE it if we can make their laundry reek of it"?

 

[IronWing]

I am confused as to what you're arguing. Whey is a part of milk. It shouldn't be listed in the ingredients, but his post was about ice cream having whey. ALL ice cream that has milk has whey.

Not all ice cream has whey as an added ingredient, as in the manufacturer separating the whey from the milk and then dumping that whey into their ice cream. Try not to be such a prissy little fucker; it's embarrassing to everybody on the thread.

 

[Cerb]

I am confused as to what you're arguing. Whey is a part of milk. It shouldn't be listed in the ingredients, but his post was about ice cream having whey. ALL ice cream that has milk has whey.

*facepalm*

It's required to add it to the ingredients list, because it's purchased separately, and added in as an additional ingredient.

Example