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Shuttle AK35GTR online @NewEgg.com

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MrChipMuthabored

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NewEgg.com has the Shuttle AK35GTR on their site with a ETA of 1/20/02, at a price of $129. LINKY(@bottom of page)

I'm torn between this board and the ABit KR7A-RAID. The 2 boards have been real close in BMs with the Shuttle coming out on top marginally...the Shuttle board is also cheaper than the Abit...However, I love Abit's layout and I know you can't go wrong with Abit.

GAHH!! Decisions decisions!!!
 
>I love Abit's layout and I know you can't go wrong with Abit.

I really don't like where the floppy port is on the KR7A-R apart from that the only thing that would be different would be that the AK35GTR has onboard Audio that supports 5.1 positional Audio and Supports DirectSound 3D and A3D. and is cheaper.

But on the other hand does the KR7A-R have USB 2.0 ?
 
No USB 2.0 on the Abit.
I'd go for the Shuttle, it's a better deal. The latest version has been quite popular around the forums, and hopefully this newer one will only improve on that, course it's still to early to know. With the Abit you're less of a guinea pig.
 
if this new shuttle board will allow me to set my vcore settings over 1.85v-I'm definetely going to get this board. And maybe more tweak under bios settings. 🙂
 


<< f this new shuttle board will allow me to set my vcore settings over 1.85v-I'm definetely going to get this board. And maybe more tweak under bios settings. >>


According to one of the reviews linked at NewEgg for the board, the AK35GTR was able to do a working 2.03V 🙂. The maximum DDR voltage is a little lacking though. (2.70V) That should not be a problem with some good KingMax PC2700 or other quality RAM.

I found this interesting also:


<< Initially, Shuttle was going to equip this board with the VIA VT8233A Southbridge, but as we pointed out in our review of the Shuttle AV45GTR, there were some issues with Windows XP and that Southbridge, so Shuttle decided to switch back to the original VT8233 which is a good move- Stability and Compatibility is VERY important. >>




I look forward to giving it a try. It seems to have much going for it.
 
>issues with 8233A already?

Dude, even if there is an issue, how can you explain the fact that the AK35GTR board in raid performs better than the Ali and nForce in Sandra drive benches.

If so can you please point me in the direction of a SiS board that has better than 23222 Sandra drive benchmarks in onboard Raid, Onboard 5.1 C3DX positional Audio and Ultra DMA/ATA133 RAID ?

 


<< >issues with 8233A already?

Dude, even if there is an issue, how can you explain the fact that the AK35GTR board in raid performs better than the Ali and nForce in Sandra drive benches.

If so can you please point me in the direction of a SiS board that has better than 23222 Sandra drive benchmarks in onboard Raid, Onboard 5.1 C3DX positional Audio and Ultra DMA/ATA133 RAID ? >>


Don't mind Pabster, he can't help trashing VIA. Besides, I don't see any SiS735 based motherboard with the AK35GTR's specs so shut your piehole.
 
Funny how whenever a flaw is pointed out, the attacks begin 😀

I've heard from Shuttle that, in fact, AK35GTR will not ship with the 8233A south bridge. It will ship with 8233. As for any plans to use "A" in future revisions, no response. I think that speaks for itself. 🙂

NicColt: There aren't any SiS 735 boards with on-board RAID. The money you save with a SiS 735 board is enough to get a decent PCI controller.
 


<< Funny how whenever a flaw is pointed out, the attacks begin 😀

I've heard from Shuttle that, in fact, AK35GTR will not ship with the 8233A south bridge. It will ship with 8233. As for any plans to use "A" in future revisions, no response. I think that speaks for itself. 🙂

NicColt: There aren't any SiS 735 boards with on-board RAID. The money you save with a SiS 735 board is enough to get a decent PCI controller. >>


Like SiS735 chipsets are flawless. Let's not forget the issues where ECS K7S5A's had problems with 1.4GHz Thunderbirds and requirered soldering on the motherboard to correct or sending off for a new board (this is the problem I was afflicted with).


<< There's even a FAQ online that tells you how to detect the problem and what you can do about it. If you are so inclined after testing and verifying that your ECS K7S5A board has the issue, you can even try to repair it yourself, but the soldering skills and steady hands required to do this may be beyond my frustration level. The "problem" appears to occur on some K7S5A motherboards with 1.4GHz Athlons and results in data corruption/crashes due to the way the motherboards talk to certain AMD CPUs. The good news (for some) is that Athlon MP and XP processors seem to be free of the communications issue, possibly due to changes to the board specifically to accept Athlon MP/XP processors. >>


http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2001nov/bch20011129009082.htm
 
NFS4 wrote:

"Like SiS735 chipsets are flawless. Let's not forget the issues where ECS K7S5A's had problems with 1.4GHz Thunderbirds and requirered soldering on the motherboard to correct or sending off for a new board (this is the problem I was afflicted with)."

That was an issue with the K7S5A -- not SiS 735. A certain revision board had a different resistor value, optimal for the XPs rather than Thunderbirds. I've never experienced the issue -- ran Durons, Thunderbirds, Morgans, and XPs.

SiS 735 has proven itself to be rock solid. Right out of the box. No drivers to hunt down, no patches to find... everything at the chipset level works and works well.

I'm tired of hearing excuses for the issues surrounding VIA's buggy core logic. There are none. This "resistor fault" has absolutely nothing to do with SiS 735, and zero to do with this thread.
 


<< NFS4 wrote:

"Like SiS735 chipsets are flawless. Let's not forget the issues where ECS K7S5A's had problems with 1.4GHz Thunderbirds and requirered soldering on the motherboard to correct or sending off for a new board (this is the problem I was afflicted with)."

That was an issue with the K7S5A -- not SiS 735. A certain revision board had a different resistor value, optimal for the XPs rather than Thunderbirds. I've never experienced the issue -- ran Durons, Thunderbirds, Morgans, and XPs.

SiS 735 has proven itself to be rock solid. Right out of the box. No drivers to hunt down, no patches to find... everything at the chipset level works and works well.

I'm tired of hearing excuses for the issues surrounding VIA's buggy core logic. There are none. This "resistor fault" has absolutely nothing to do with SiS 735, and zero to do with this thread. >>


What's that??? ZERO to do with this thread?

How about Pabsters personal OPINIONS about VIA which everyone knows are HEAVILY biased with no faltering. How about Pabster crapping in most every VIA thread to say that the chipsets are worthless?

As for the board problems with the ECS K7S5A...since the ECS board is the only SiS735 board shipping in high volume, ECS's troubles don't reflect to well on SiS. People will equate the SiS735 (as they do now) with the ECS K7S5A b/c that's the only board they ever see in relation to the chipset.


<< SiS 735 has proven itself to be rock solid. Right out of the box. No drivers to hunt down, no patches to find... everything at the chipset level works and works well. >>


There is NO SiS735 BARE motherboard floating around. There is the ECS, PC-Chips, Leadtek, and soon to be Shuttle boards. If the ECS K7S5A was so EASY to get working OUT OF THE BOX, OCworkbench wouldn't need their FAQ which lists the AGP drivers to use (Pabster: SiS chipset don't need any drivers), fixes to problems, hacks to get around certain issues, power supplies to use (a WHOLE different section) b/c the ECS board is so damn picky, etc.

AND ACCORDING TO THE ECS FAQ, YOU HAVE TO INSTALL AUDIO/LAN DRIVERS FOR WIN9X, WIN ME, AND WINDOWS 2000. AND YOU NEED THE AGP DRIVER FOR WINDOWS XP. WHO'S TALKING BS NOW?🙂 OH, AND BE SURE TO CHECK THAT YOUR DMA MODES AREN'T SCREWED UP🙂

You keep saying that the SiS735 is "perfect." It is only perfect if we are just talking about the chipset itself. But here in the REAL WORLD, that chipset is attached to a motherboard. And it is that motherboard manufacturer that will eventually give the chipset a bad/good reputation.

A car can have a MAGNIFICENT engine, but if it strapped to a crappy chassis, who cares?
 
NFS4 wrote:

"How about Pabsters personal OPINIONS about VIA which everyone knows are HEAVILY biased with no faltering. How about Pabster crapping in most every VIA thread to say that the chipsets are worthless?"

My opinions are based on personal experiences -- as I'm sure everyone's are. Or ought to be. I'm only stating my experiences, and, from the response I've gotten, not uncommon ones.

"As for the board problems with the ECS K7S5A...since the ECS board is the only SiS735 board shipping in high volume, ECS's troubles don't reflect to well on SiS. People will equate the SiS735 (as they do now) with the ECS K7S5A b/c that's the only board they ever see in relation to the chipset."

ECS is moving an incredible amount of K7S5A's ... no doubt about that. But other SiS 735 boards are out there, and people are using them. The Chaintech 7SID is another fine SiS 735 board I can recommend. It's perfect for a mATX "silent PC" rig. And the recent offerings from Leadtek, as well as the forthcoming Shuttle, are bright spots on the horizon.

"There is NO SiS735 BARE motherboard floating around. There is the ECS, PC-Chips, Leadtek, and soon to be Shuttle boards. If the ECS K7S5A was so EASY to get working OUT OF THE BOX, OCworkbench wouldn't need their FAQ which lists the AGP drivers to use (Pabster: SiS chipset don't need any drivers), fixes to problems, hacks to get around certain issues, power supplies to use (a WHOLE different section) b/c the ECS board is so damn picky, etc."

Now, let's not get carried away. I can pick any given motherboard and point you to a forum where people are grunting and growling about it. Let's look at the number of threads, for example, about the 8KHA+. Or the AK31A. For every board out there, there seems to be no shortage of complaints, criticisms, and "issues". OCWorkbench has become "ECS Central", yes, and I think you'll find a wide selection of users who appreciate the focus on this great board. Many, many people have been able to resolve these "issues". Others like to grab the latest BIOS or perhaps a driver update. Still others like to engage in chat about forthcoming ECS products. To say that it "proves" anything about ECS -- besides the popularity of K7S5A -- is ridiculous.

"AND ACCORDING TO THE ECS FAQ, YOU HAVE TO INSTALL AUDIO/LAN DRIVERS FOR WIN9X, WIN ME, AND WINDOWS 2000. AND YOU NEED THE AGP DRIVER FOR WINDOWS XP. WHO'S TALKING BS NOW? OH, AND BE SURE TO CHECK THAT YOUR DMA MODES AREN'T SCREWED UP."

LOL 😀 And I've never said otherwise, with regards to installing certain drivers under particular operating systems. I've only stated that, under Windows XP, the board can be installed without a single driver -- which it can. The default AGP/IDE/AUDIO/LAN drivers are quite solid and perform beautifully.

"You keep saying that the SiS735 is "perfect." It is only perfect if we are just talking about the chipset itself. But here in the REAL WORLD, that chipset is attached to a motherboard. And it is that motherboard manufacturer that will eventually give the chipset a bad/good reputation."

I don't believe I've ever said "perfect". That's just never going to happen. What I've stated repeatedly is that SiS 735 is inherently more stable than the VIA offerings -- and, despite repeated requests for any information to the contrary -- have received only excuses for the issues surrounding VIA's offerings. As for the latter, I dare to say KT266A has then tarnished the "reputation" of several manufacturers. 😀
 
A more sedate Pabster? Less forceful than ususal. Maybe it's b/c it's my birthday 😀


<< LOL And I've never said otherwise, with regards to installing certain drivers under particular operating systems. I've only stated that, under Windows XP, the board can be installed without a single driver -- which it can. The default AGP/IDE/AUDIO/LAN drivers are quite solid and perform beautifully. >>


Pabster, you always like to bring up the "SiS doesn't need any drivers" comment whenever someone mentions VIA 4-n-1 Drivers, yet you NEVER attach the "only in Windows XP" to the statement. So it in effect becomes a blanket statement. You even did it up above:

"SiS 735 has proven itself to be rock solid. Right out of the box. No drivers to hunt down, no patches to find... everything at the chipset level works and works well. "

As for me, the default 4-in-1's that come with WinXP do fine for me as well😉 At least with the 4-in-1's, you have ONE executable for ALL drivers, and don't have to "HUNT" for AGP, Audio, and LAN drivers to install seperately😀
 
NFS4 wrote:

"A more sedate Pabster? Less forceful than ususal. Maybe it's b/c it's my birthday"

I took that in to consideration 😀

"Pabster, you always like to bring up the "SiS doesn't need any drivers" comment whenever someone mentions VIA 4-n-1 Drivers, yet you NEVER attach the "only in Windows XP" to the statement. So it in effect becomes a blanket statement. You even did it up above:

"SiS 735 has proven itself to be rock solid. Right out of the box. No drivers to hunt down, no patches to find... everything at the chipset level works and works well. "

I do tend to forget that not everyone uses Windows XP. That said, SiS doesn't release a new package every other week to "patch" the previous one 😀

"As for me, the default 4-in-1's that come with WinXP do fine for me as well At least with the 4-in-1's, you have ONE executable for ALL drivers, and don't have to "HUNT" for AGP, Audio, and LAN drivers to install seperately"

Again... the necessary drivers are all included with the CD, and there's no reason to use newer ones unless you feel that you just have to have them. Under XP, you don't need to worry about it. The latest 1.08D AGP driver appears to improve performance by about 1%, but it is by no means a "required" update. 😉
 
LOL

>There aren't any SiS 735 boards with on-board RAID. The money you save with a SiS 735 board is enough to get a decent PCI controller.
>AK35GTR is a bad buy @ $120.

Ok then why don't you put FACTS up, show me a SiS 735 Board and add a PCI Ultra DMA/ATA133 RAID controller that does 23222 or better Sandra drive benchmarks, Onboard 5.1 C3DX positional Audio. for under $120.

>No drivers to hunt down, no patches to find...

Excuse me but I'm tired of this BS. goto SiS.com and you'll see that they have released two major patches in 10 days, one USB and one AGP. And we are all very familiar with the Inquirer's SiS chipset article and it's only a matter of time until MORE issues are found with this chipset. unfortunately it's not a very popular chipset and will take more time to find flaws.

Until you can post facts don't... even with this damm apparent flaw of yours, it still beats the nForce and Ali Magik chipsets. and Unfortunately SiS DOES NOT make an onboard Raid board. final.
 
NicColt wrote:

"Ok then why don't you put FACTS up, show me a SiS 735 Board and add a PCI Ultra DMA/ATA133 RAID controller that does 23222 or better Sandra drive benchmarks, Onboard 5.1 C3DX positional Audio. for under $120."

LOL 😀 I seriously hope you're talking about a single drive. ~23000 for a RAID would be a terrible score. That said, Sandra's synthetic benchmarks are to be taken with a grain of salt. HDTach is far more accurate. On-board audio sucks the big one, and I don't care what chipset is on board.

"Excuse me but I'm tired of this BS. goto SiS.com and you'll see that they have released two major patches in 10 days, one USB and one AGP. And we are all very familiar with the Inquirer's SiS chipset article and it's only a matter of time until MORE issues are found with this chipset. unfortunately it's not a very popular chipset and will take more time to find flaws."

ROFLMAO 🙂 The new AGP driver (1.08D) is NOT a "patch". It merely improves performance by about 1%. I haven't installed it and I don't see any reason to. The USB "fix" that was posted is an issue I've never encountered with SiS 735. And I certainly don't see it mentioned as being a common issue. You actually use the Inquirer as a baseline? LOL.

"Until you can post facts don't... even with this damm apparent flaw of yours, it still beats the nForce and Ali Magik chipsets. and Unfortunately SiS DOES NOT make an onboard Raid board. final."

English, please 😀 I'm sorry, but on-board RAID (and IDE RAID for that matter) do not interest me in the slightest. I'll still reiterate that the money you save with the K7S5A will buy you a nice PCI RAID adapter, if you so choose. And it will most certainly perform better on SiS 735 than ANY VIA chipset-based mainboard. Final. 🙂
 
This looks like the mobo that I am going to purchase. Does anyone know if it supports AGP Pro? Everything else about the board looks nice!

I guess Pabster doesn't put any hardware in his computer that requires he install new drivers. The Win XP drivers better be good enough. New Nvidia drivers or Audigy drivers? No, the old ones better do the job, even with a new release of DirectX!
I have noticed that Pabster has to post his two cents on just about every thread about a VIA chipset mobo. Maybe he should stick to posting in the threads that are about SIS chipset mobos. The person who started this thread didn't ask opinions on whether to get a VIA or SIS chipset mobo, he asked about two VIA mobos.
 
>This looks like the mobo that I am going to purchase.

I agree this is one sweet board, and I'm either going to go with this one or the Dragon+ and ANYONE who says that they are not purchasing a KT266a because of the so called flaw needs to have their heads examined. Just keep this FACT in mind, that even with the so called flaw the RAID feature on the Dragon+ A7V266 KR7A-RAID and the AK35GTR are ALL faster than any SiS, nForce or Ali Majik non-raid boards.

>I guess Pabster doesn't put any hardware in his computer that requires he install new drivers.

Just forget it, it's just hot air, I agree that in some test SiS has better performance and in others Via is better. It boils down do %1 to %3 diff depending on the boards. But then again he can't answer certain questions and monkeys around the obvious. I would rather trust Via that openly offers full support for AMD than SiS who are obviously in bed with Rambus and Intel.

>I'll still reiterate that the money you save with the K7S5A

LOL ..... see this is what I mean by insanity, why don't you ask Jerboy and see if he likes his K7S5A.

"There is a known incompatibility between the Radeon 7500 and the ECS K7S5A. It has to do with the AGP implementation of the SiS735 chipset. Unfortunately, there is no known fix, as this is a bug in the "invulnerable" SiS chipset." Man this made my day LMFAO

I just did a search, only on ACTIVE post's for the K7S5A and got back about 200 threads with every problem imaginable and the only ones that don't have problems with this are the Via FUD packers. Do a search on Dragon for example and most of the post's are Questions, comments and Opinions. It will be a cold day in Hell before I put my money on a K7S5A.

 
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