Shutdown over?

[Jhhnn]

I am sticking by the rules that were set forth in the beginning. You are attempting to change the rules. That is fine but you should at least be honest about it.

As of now the rules stand as written and should be adhered to.

"The rules" were swept aside by reality long ago. The notion that we'll actually deport all these people is bullshit. It's inhuman. It's just a pander point aimed at self righteous idiots. Congress has no intention of funding such an effort.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes and then they can apply via normal channels to come back if they desire.

Get Real. None of that will happen.

 

[Jaskalas]

"The rules" were swept aside by reality long ago. The notion that we'll actually deport all these people is bullshit. It's inhuman. It's just a pander point aimed at self righteous idiots. Congress has no intention of funding such an effort.

Funding? They have no stomach for the sort of violence it would cause.
Dummies think we'll just kindly tell people to leave and they'll obey.

 

[Jhhnn]

Funding? They have no stomach for the sort of violence it would cause.
Dummies think we'll just kindly tell people to leave and they'll obey.

I didn't say why Congress won't fund it, did I? Some of our posters apparently think it's a grand fucking idea, however.

 

[interchange]

Yes and then they can apply via normal channels to come back if they desire.

Why do that? It would be highly expensive and highly ineffective.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Nancy Pelosi described the current proposal as dog doodoo with a cherry on top and Graham says no.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/politics/shutdown-politics-latest/index.html

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Going to be interesting to see if the FreeDumb conference details tonight’s vote

 

[Jhhnn]

Like wow, man. the GOP managed to kick the can down the road a whole month. That's real leadership with a strong vision for America, I'm tellin' ya.

 

[Puffnstuff]

The D's say they can still shut it down in the Senate tomorrow.😛

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...n-915am:homepage/story&utm_term=.55530c22397f

 

[UNCjigga]

So what happens to the Mueller investigation during a shutdown? I'm assuming federal law enforcement, courts and grand juries are not impacted...but can Trump and his gang get away with any shady shit while the government is shut down? Do they have an incentive for a shutdown?

 

[bfun_x1]

Government employees that are considered critical or in security positions still have to work and they are guaranteed to get back pay. I suppose there could be complications from non-critical support staff being gone. The guy who keeps the copy machines working might not be available. Garbage wont get picked up. Parking lots could be closed.

 

[Sunburn74]

I think the basic problem with our immigration law is people keep trying to pass one sweeping law that will fix all the problems magically as opposed to passing small laws to fix specific problems in piecemeal fashion.

 

[UNCjigga]

I think the basic problem with our immigration law is people keep trying to pass one sweeping law that will fix all the problems magically as opposed to passing small laws to fix specific problems in piecemeal fashion.

That's the nature of our partisan politics today, and why both sides are engaged in brinkmanship. Take the visa lottery program for example. Both parties agree that this program (once a pet project of Teddy Kennedy to get more Irish into the country) needs to go. But apparently you can't just pass a clean bill ending the visa lottery program, because no side can claim it as a "win". Each side needs to get something else in that they can sell to their base, be it more funding for border security or a guest worker program or amnesty for a particular group. It used to be that Congress would work together to build some grand compromise, but nowadays each side's position is a poison pill to the other.

 

[trenchfoot]

Oh man I simply love it that both Trump and the Repub Controlled Congress are shouting the rafters loose claiming that it's up to the Dems to stop the shutdown of the gov't because if the shutdown is prevented (as predicted) then all credit for the prevention would be accorded to the Dems right?

I mean, the Dems would surely get all the blame if a shutdown occurs so why not have them get all the credit if it's prevented?

*Yes, somewhat tongue in cheek but the logic's got legs of sorts. 😉

 

[Puffnstuff]

I think the basic problem with our immigration law is people keep trying to pass one sweeping law that will fix all the problems magically as opposed to passing small laws to fix specific problems in piecemeal fashion.

Each time they dabble with immigration they fail to address the root cause which is a lack of border security that allows it to happen in the first place. What we have right now is not adequate and this problem must be addressed with more effort than its received in the past.

This is a bipartisan issue that will take a unified effort to correct. I do believe that a barrier of sufficient construction along populated areas is necessary to stem this flow of unlawful immigration. Now a Trump labelled sea to sea wall is another matter.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Each time they dabble with immigration they fail to address the root cause which is a lack of border security that allows it to happen in the first place. What we have right now is not adequate and this problem must be addressed with more effort than its received in the past.

This is a bipartisan issue that will take a unified effort to correct. I do believe that a barrier of sufficient construction along populated areas is necessary to stem this flow of unlawful immigration. Now a Trump labelled sea to sea wall is another matter.

And people come here, and find work....so people keep paying them. Where the punitive damages for the employers?

 

[Puffnstuff]

And people come here, and find work....so people keep paying them. Where the punitive damages for the employers?

That's a good question and since Donald is a friend to business you probably won't see any such actions under his watch.

 

[Thebobo]

Frack our agency is going to stay open this time as it seems we have some extra funding or some shit. fvck fick fick I'm pissed. Back during Newts shutdown we got 2 weeks off then a major snowstorm happened and shut down the city for a week. 3 weeks paid vacation!

 

[ch33zw1z]

That's a good question and since Donald is a friend to business you probably won't see any such actions under his watch.

I am especially eager for jobs to be available for all the people in our country who don't have one. Picking fruit, vegetables, landscaping, builders, the list goes on.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I think the basic problem with our immigration law is people keep trying to pass one sweeping law that will fix all the problems magically as opposed to passing small laws to fix specific problems in piecemeal fashion.

The challenge with a piecemeal approach is that it requires unity of vision. Hard to implement a piecemeal solution to inmigration, which is very much politically opportunistic.

 

[Bitek]

Absolutely. They encourage illegals and criminal immigrants and spit in the face of the honest and ethical immigrants that try to follow the legal pathways.

Ie. The GOP is hell-bent on stopping the shitholers, and is willing to shut down the govt, fuck up the military, rip apart families, deny kids healthcare, and just create a giant shitshow until they get their Wall for the browns and open borders to Norwegians.

Gotcha

 

[Puffnstuff]

I am especially eager for jobs to be available for all the people in our country who don't have one. Picking fruit, vegetables, landscaping, builders, the list goes on.

I first saw illegal immigrants when I was just a child but I didn't understand it. I later saw migrant workers in SC but still didn't understand the scope of the problem. Its true that these people have been coming here for decades and farms have been taking advantage of the cheap labor they offer all of which is illegal.

The Obama Administration did have some enforcement efforts on businesses that were hiring illegals instead of Americans but it hasn't been enough. Deliberately hiring an illegal to work in a factory that used to employ Americans should be addressed with hefty fines for breaking the law.

The challenge with a piecemeal approach is that it requires unity of vision. Hard to implement a piecemeal solution to inmigration, which is very much politically opportunistic.

I believe that it has to be enough to stop it cold turkey and keep it that way.

 

[Bitek]

I am especially eager for jobs to be available for all the people in our country who don't have one. Picking fruit, vegetables, landscaping, builders, the list goes on.

Norwegians will do it.

Or rather, we'll bring in white collar Norwegians in to take the plush jobs and send all the poor Trumpos to go work the fields they vacated of Mexicans.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Norwegians will do it.

Or rather, we'll bring in white collar Norwegians in to take the plush jobs and send all the poor Trumpos to go work the fields they vacated of Mexicans.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[ch33zw1z]

I first saw illegal immigrants when I was just a child but I didn't understand it. I later saw migrant workers in SC but still didn't understand the scope of the problem. Its true that these people have been coming here for decades and farms have been taking advantage of the cheap labor they offer all of which is illegal.

The Obama Administration did have some enforcement efforts on businesses that were hiring illegals instead of Americans but it hasn't been enough. Deliberately hiring an illegal to work in a factory that used to employ Americans should be addressed with hefty fines for breaking the law.

I believe that it has to be enough to stop it cold turkey and keep it that way.

Bolded: how do we address outsourcing?

Follow up, how do we address insourcing?