Shula: Give Pats asterisk if they go 16-0

[buck]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Give the man credit where credit is do...his record has stood for over 35 years. That's beyond insane.

This is all about giving credit to where credit is due. past/present/future. This record has not been broken yet, but already he is disrespecting them. I hope the Pats continue to pound the hell out of their opponents.

That being said, the Pats games vs Pitt and Indy(playoffs) will be awesome games to watch.

 

[SSSnail]

If you think nobody else tapes their opponents, you're really naive.

If you think the PATRIOTS win because they cheat, then you're really stupid.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: jjsole
Give the man credit where credit is do...his record has stood for over 35 years. That's beyond insane.

This is all about giving credit to where credit is due. past/present/future. This record has not been broken yet, but already he is disrespecting them. I hope the Pats continue to pound the hell out of their opponents.

That being said, the Pats games vs Pitt and Indy(playoffs) will be awesome games to watch.

There's nothing Shula could say that disrespects the Patriots in regards to cheating. The Pats disrespected themselves by getting caught cheating, and deserve all the flack they get.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: jjsole
Give the man credit where credit is do...his record has stood for over 35 years. That's beyond insane.

This is all about giving credit to where credit is due. past/present/future. This record has not been broken yet, but already he is disrespecting them. I hope the Pats continue to pound the hell out of their opponents.

That being said, the Pats games vs Pitt and Indy(playoffs) will be awesome games to watch.

There's nothing Shula could say that disrespects the Patriots in regards to cheating. The Pats disrespected themselves by getting caught cheating, and deserve all the flack they get.

He is implying that they should have an asterisk because they gained an unfair advantage. They did not get an unfair advantage. IMO, they got punished for a rule violation, not cheating. They were punished, as the league saw fit, all this other bullshit is just that, bullshit.


Don't get me wrong, I hate cheaters as much as the next guy. IMO, bonds(yes lower case) deserves an asterisk because he cheated (gained an unfair advantage).

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
they can go ahead and fade into Bolivian.

I can't tell if you're joking. If you aren't, that's pretty damn funny.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: jjsole
Give the man credit where credit is do...his record has stood for over 35 years. That's beyond insane.

This is all about giving credit to where credit is due. past/present/future. This record has not been broken yet, but already he is disrespecting them. I hope the Pats continue to pound the hell out of their opponents.

That being said, the Pats games vs Pitt and Indy(playoffs) will be awesome games to watch.

There's nothing Shula could say that disrespects the Patriots in regards to cheating. The Pats disrespected themselves by getting caught cheating, and deserve all the flack they get.

He is implying that they should have an asterisk because they gained an unfair advantage. They did not get an unfair advantage. IMO, they got punished for a rule violation, not cheating. They were punished, as the league saw fit, all this other bullshit is just that, bullshit.


Don't get me wrong, I hate cheaters as much as the next guy. IMO, bonds(yes lower case) deserves an asterisk because he cheated (gained an unfair advantage).

Why would they do it if they didnt think it gave them an advantage?

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
Everyone would be saying the same thing about the Colts if the Pats weren't there to stop them from becoming the dynasty the Pats have.

Parity has taken care of long term dynasties, thanks again for free agency. Not so bad now but at the start it was tragic. It was horrible seeing the young, DEEP, Pitt team Cowher built subsequently dismantled over a few years, more pro bowlers lost than most teams have in a decade. Lucky for them they had more pro bowl caliber players waiting on the bench. San Fran and Dallas also had their dynasty wrecked by free agency.

Even without the Pats I don't think the Colts would have won more titles. Their D has not been consistent throughout the years, one problem. Not a big fan of Manning either, he is a soft girly man. He gets happy feet, and I hate when he makes a gazillion play call changes on the line. I have seen many plays where at least a few Indy players have been confused, out of position, running incorrect routes, etc due to his line of scrimmage BS. I'm glad he can read the defense and adjust the play to counter their intentions. Guess what Manning, the defense does the same on each of your audibles. Just run the f*cking play, execution trumps knowledge.

I would take Brady over Manning, even before this season when Manning might have had better numbers. Brady does not get rattled, and he plays his role to perfection without overstepping. When Manning ignored his HEAD COACH's decision to send the kick team out and instead went for it on 4th down, I lost the little respect I had left for him as a player. I would have called a time out just to bench his ass.

 

[SludgeFactory]

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
they can go ahead and fade into Bolivian.

I can't tell if you're joking. If you aren't, that's pretty damn funny.

Mike Tyson is a treasure trove of teh funnay.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Give the man credit where credit is do...his record has stood for 35 years. That's beyond insane.

They almost didn't win the title that year, Pitt came very close to knocking them out of the playoffs. They were beating them badly, Dolphins were getting nothing done. The fish sent out their punter, yet again. He had noticed all game that at the snap Pitt was dropping their corners off to set up a good return. He decided to run a fake, which worked. They got the first, it sparked the team and they went on to score for the first time. It changed the whole momemtum of the game, and the Dolphins prevailed. Nobody knew he was going to run that fake, the O cord, the head coach, not even the punting team. He made up his mind while he was waiting for the snap.

07 Pats are dominating their opponents more so than the 72 fins, but I seriously doubt they will go 16-0.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
07 Pats are dominating their opponents more so than the 72 fins, but I seriously doubt they will go 16-0.

Who's going to beat them?

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Alistar7
07 Pats are dominating their opponents more so than the 72 fins, but I seriously doubt they will go 16-0.

Who's going to beat them?

If the Pats rest their starters, the Giants have a good shot.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Alistar7
07 Pats are dominating their opponents more so than the 72 fins, but I seriously doubt they will go 16-0.

Who's going to beat them?

well the colts nearly did and they are going have another game. Also all it takes is the Pats to have one bad game and someone else to have a good.

with football any team can beat any other team on any sunday.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Alistar7
07 Pats are dominating their opponents more so than the 72 fins, but I seriously doubt they will go 16-0.

Who's going to beat them?

If the Pats rest their starters, the Giants have a good shot.

I don't think Belichick's ego will allow him to rest starters at 15-0.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Alistar7
07 Pats are dominating their opponents more so than the 72 fins, but I seriously doubt they will go 16-0.

Who's going to beat them?

If the Pats rest their starters, the Giants have a good shot.

I don't think Belichick's ego will allow him to rest starters at 15-0.

if they are 15-0 i would hope they don't rest teh starters.

 

[Injury]

So you punish the team and entire organization because of a coaches decision to play dirty? F that. I dislike the pats as much as anyone else living in another NFL city, but they ARE undeniably good this year.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Alistar7
07 Pats are dominating their opponents more so than the 72 fins, but I seriously doubt they will go 16-0.

Who's going to beat them?

If the Pats rest their starters, the Giants have a good shot.

I don't think Belichick's ego will allow him to rest starters at 15-0.

if they are 15-0 i would hope they don't rest teh starters.

If Brady gets hurt in the last game and they go out in the first round people will be pissed.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Alistar7
07 Pats are dominating their opponents more so than the 72 fins, but I seriously doubt they will go 16-0.

Who's going to beat them?

well the colts nearly did and they are going have another game. Also all it takes is the Pats to have one bad game and someone else to have a good.

with football any team can beat any other team on any sunday.

Just biding time till it matters, the postseason. Be interesting to see how the qualifying teams are playing that time of year.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: jjsole
Give the man credit where credit is do...his record has stood for over 35 years. That's beyond insane.

This is all about giving credit to where credit is due. past/present/future. This record has not been broken yet, but already he is disrespecting them. I hope the Pats continue to pound the hell out of their opponents.

That being said, the Pats games vs Pitt and Indy(playoffs) will be awesome games to watch.

There's nothing Shula could say that disrespects the Patriots in regards to cheating. The Pats disrespected themselves by getting caught cheating, and deserve all the flack they get.

He is implying that they should have an asterisk because they gained an unfair advantage. They did not get an unfair advantage. IMO, they got punished for a rule violation, not cheating. They were punished, as the league saw fit, all this other bullshit is just that, bullshit.


Don't get me wrong, I hate cheaters as much as the next guy. IMO, bonds(yes lower case) deserves an asterisk because he cheated (gained an unfair advantage).

Why would they do it if they didnt think it gave them an advantage?

They were punished because of a rule change. Would you consider watching game replays cheating? I dont want to get into semantics, I am not a Pats fan but I do love watching a strong team. Do you really believe they gained an unfair advantage against the Jets though? They were not doing anything new by taping the jets, they were doing what just about every team did the year before.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: jjsole
Give the man credit where credit is do...his record has stood for over 35 years. That's beyond insane.

This is all about giving credit to where credit is due. past/present/future. This record has not been broken yet, but already he is disrespecting them. I hope the Pats continue to pound the hell out of their opponents.

That being said, the Pats games vs Pitt and Indy(playoffs) will be awesome games to watch.

There's nothing Shula could say that disrespects the Patriots in regards to cheating. The Pats disrespected themselves by getting caught cheating, and deserve all the flack they get.

He is implying that they should have an asterisk because they gained an unfair advantage. They did not get an unfair advantage. IMO, they got punished for a rule violation, not cheating. They were punished, as the league saw fit, all this other bullshit is just that, bullshit.


Don't get me wrong, I hate cheaters as much as the next guy. IMO, bonds(yes lower case) deserves an asterisk because he cheated (gained an unfair advantage).

Why would they do it if they didnt think it gave them an advantage?

They were punished because of a rule change. Would you consider watching game replays cheating? I dont want to get into semantics, I am not a Pats fan but I do love watching a strong team. Do you really believe they gained an unfair advantage against the Jets though? They were not doing anything new by taping the jets, they were doing what just about every team did the year before.

I think the whole thing is overblown, but I dont think they do it for no reason. They obviously believe it gives them some kind of advantage otherwise they wouldnt do it. Teams get punished for not following rule changes all the time. Bumping a receiver after 5 yards is called all the time, it's just a rule change. So what? You gotta follow the rules.
I think the whole thing is Mangini trying to get back at Belichick.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: jjsole
Give the man credit where credit is do...his record has stood for over 35 years. That's beyond insane.

This is all about giving credit to where credit is due. past/present/future. This record has not been broken yet, but already he is disrespecting them. I hope the Pats continue to pound the hell out of their opponents.

That being said, the Pats games vs Pitt and Indy(playoffs) will be awesome games to watch.

There's nothing Shula could say that disrespects the Patriots in regards to cheating. The Pats disrespected themselves by getting caught cheating, and deserve all the flack they get.

He is implying that they should have an asterisk because they gained an unfair advantage. They did not get an unfair advantage. IMO, they got punished for a rule violation, not cheating. They were punished, as the league saw fit, all this other bullshit is just that, bullshit.


Don't get me wrong, I hate cheaters as much as the next guy. IMO, bonds(yes lower case) deserves an asterisk because he cheated (gained an unfair advantage).

Why would they do it if they didnt think it gave them an advantage?

They were punished because of a rule change. Would you consider watching game replays cheating? I dont want to get into semantics, I am not a Pats fan but I do love watching a strong team. Do you really believe they gained an unfair advantage against the Jets though? They were not doing anything new by taping the jets, they were doing what just about every team did the year before.

I don't think it was a rule change, they just sent a written warning this year about it... it's been against the rules for a while. But you're right about it being a common practice. Jimmy Johnson admitted to doing it for KC/Dallas/Miami... he even outed Howard Mudd, the colt's offensive line coach as a signal stealer. I dunno, to me it's not that big a deal, like it wasn't that big a deal when Denver and San Francisco circumvented salary cap restrictions during their superbowl years and got punished for it, or when the steelers did the same thing in 2000, or when the steelers were penalized a 3rd round pick for illegally using shoulder pads and engaging in contact during their training camp during Chuck Noll's era (this was dubbed "shouldergate" back then). It's funny seeing people's heads explode over this, like it's worse than steroids though.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
Sure, add the asterisk if they do it...

* including a 4th-quarter comeback win against the Colts

Hahaha, true that brother.

 

[Alistar7]

O/T:

Steelers-Patriots game time changed to 4:15

November 6, 2007

PITTSBURGH (AP) -- The Pittsburgh Steelers' Dec. 9 game at New England will start at 4:15 p.m. EST rather than the previously scheduled 1 p.m. to accommodate a CBS telecast.

The time change is the second for the Steelers under the NFL flexible scheduling plan that is in effect the final seven weeks of the season. Their Nov. 18 game at the New York Jets was changed recently from a 1 p.m. EST start to a 4:05 p.m. kickoff.

On Monday, the league pushed back the start of New England's game at the Buffalo Bills on Nov. 18 to 8:15 p.m. EST and it will move from CBS to NBC. Originally, Patriots-Bills was set for 1 p.m. EST on CBS.

They just screwed me for the Pitt/NE game. Living in Cleveland they will show the Browns at the Jets at 4:00 and nothing else. Have to watch it streamed I guess.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
O/T:

Steelers-Patriots game time changed to 4:15

November 6, 2007

PITTSBURGH (AP) -- The Pittsburgh Steelers' Dec. 9 game at New England will start at 4:15 p.m. EST rather than the previously scheduled 1 p.m. to accommodate a CBS telecast.

The time change is the second for the Steelers under the NFL flexible scheduling plan that is in effect the final seven weeks of the season. Their Nov. 18 game at the New York Jets was changed recently from a 1 p.m. EST start to a 4:05 p.m. kickoff.

On Monday, the league pushed back the start of New England's game at the Buffalo Bills on Nov. 18 to 8:15 p.m. EST and it will move from CBS to NBC. Originally, Patriots-Bills was set for 1 p.m. EST on CBS.

They just screwed me for the Pitt/NE game. Living in Cleveland they will show the Browns at the Jets at 4:00 and nothing else. Have to watch it streamed I guess.

People here in Seattle got screwed in two weeks with the Seahawks vs Bears game. It was supposed to be a Sunday night game but got pushed back. A buddy was flying in for that game and his plane gets in at 1pm which would have given him time to see the game.... Damn you NBC, first your cameras try to take out our QB and now this?

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Phokus
I don't think it was a rule change, they just sent a written warning this year about it... it's been against the rules for a while. But you're right about it being a common practice. Jimmy Johnson admitted to doing it for KC/Dallas/Miami... he even outed Howard Mudd, the colt's offensive line coach as a signal stealer. I dunno, to me it's not that big a deal, like it wasn't that big a deal when Denver and San Francisco circumvented salary cap restrictions during their superbowl years and got punished for it, or when the steelers did the same thing in 2000, or when the steelers were penalized a 3rd round pick for illegally using shoulder pads and engaging in contact during their training camp during Chuck Noll's era (this was dubbed "shouldergate" back then). It's funny seeing people's heads explode over this, like it's worse than steroids though.

What's so wrong with shoulder pads and contact...?

 

[pmoa]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: skace
Patriots went 16-0*

*And then lost in the first round of the playoffs to the steelers. Only because the Pats didnt show up. Steelers then went on to lose in the superbowl to the Seahawks. Ohh the irony.


I'm ok with an asterisk too.

fixed

There you go.

Triple fixed