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Also, I don't see Dean going away anytime soon, at leat w/o some sort of catastrophe. He is credited with the Dems taking back both the House and the Senate (along w/ the congressional election organizers) and so far the Dems are raising tremendous amts of money and support for their canidates. Its not all due to him, but times have been good under his leadership. Aside from the FL/MI mess, there is not a whole lot of reason to go after him while things are going so well.

I say you are 0/2.
 
Originally posted by: Hafen
Do you actually read and think thru these ideas before you write them? HRC is going to win because she is going to buy off all the supers with corporate money (which she is the master of and Obama only has the money of the people)?

Certainly sounds like a winning strategy for Nov and something to be proud of. Sure you are not working for McCain?

I'm also finding it hard to believe that someone who truly supports Hillary thinks the fact that she can buy more superdelegates is a good thing. Even if she could do such a thing, anybody who supports her or actually cares about the future of America should be saying that it's a stupid plan.

Nothing energizes your base like telling more than half of them that their votes don't matter, huh?
 
Originally posted by: techs
FYI anyone who has followed the career of Howard Dean, as I do here in Vermont, knows this. Dean was chosen as Democratic Party chairman mostly in the belief he could bring a lot of new money to dem candidates thru his internet fund raising which proved so successful in his failed Presidential campaing. Yet, Dean has proven incapable of raising almost any money thru the new donators his campaign attracted. Seems internet donators are completely independent.
Which is why Dean will be gone shortly.

Do you just make this stuff up?

I thought that the Dems were massively better funded than the Repubs. Is the MSM wrong?

How can Dean be criticized for fund raising failure when they have record amounts of cash?

Fern
 
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: IGBT
..obama is the marxist messiah for the godless mindless millions. He's a political pied piper pipe dream for the secular progressive kooks. go ahead. follow him over the cliff.

Psst please do, so the Republicans can take back power in 2012....


..I'm still a reg.democrat and would like to see a genuine democrat not a KOOK get elected. problem is..the democrat party has been hijacked by KOOKS. the GOP has been a huge disapointment as well.

The kook problem is not them but you. Anyone who reads your posts knows that you're as paranoid cuckoo for CocoPuffs as they get. When you're not ranting about "ecotheists," you're trying to tell us why we should bring back alcohol prohibition and capital punishment for minor drug possession.

edit: and yes, techs does just make up everything in his posts. He's emotionally attached to Billary, fantasizes how she might win, and then posts his little fantasies here because he can't tell the difference between his fantasies and reality.
 
Originally posted by: IGBT
..obama is the marxist messiah for the godless mindless millions. He's a political pied piper pipe dream for the secular progressive kooks. go ahead. follow him over the cliff.

How about you take a 'leap of faith' off that cliff instead? :roll:
 
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: IGBT
..obama is the marxist messiah for the godless mindless millions. He's a political pied piper pipe dream for the secular progressive kooks. go ahead. follow him over the cliff.

How about you take a 'leap of faith' off that cliff instead? :roll:

Well, the irony here is that Obama is neither atheist nor Marxist. Obama does have faith, and he has steadfastly refused hard-line socialism, like mandating UHC. That's one reason why the far left, like techs&co, have been such Hillarybots, despite the fact that Hillary's politics are actually a bit more to the center than Obama's.
 
Originally posted by: M0RPH
Originally posted by: Pabster

I'm still giving her a 50% chance. But it's not looking good.

Otherwise, QFT. :thumbsup:

Funny, because only a matter of days ago you were proclaiming it to be all over, in your euphoria after his recent primary wins. Guess you've come back down to reality now, eh? Only 50% chance Obama will win? :laugh:

Popular thought is Obama does have an edge over Hillary. Not much, but an edge. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: IGBT
..obama is the marxist messiah for the godless mindless millions. He's a political pied piper pipe dream for the secular progressive kooks. go ahead. follow him over the cliff.

How about you take a 'leap of faith' off that cliff instead? :roll:

Well, the irony here is that Obama is neither atheist nor Marxist. Obama does have faith, and he has steadfastly refused hard-line socialism, like mandating UHC. That's one reason why the far left, like techs&co, have been such Hillarybots, despite the fact that Hillary's politics are actually a bit more to the center than Obama's.

Yep, I know he isn't an atheist or even an agnostic. If he was either he wouldn't stand a chance. Regardless of qualifications I doubt we'll see anyone who is publicly atheist or agnostic in the running for president anytime soon. I have no problem with people of faith but when elected officials it as a basis to make policy that crosses the line for me.
 
AP Survey: Superdelegates Jump To Obama



By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER, Associated Press Writer Fri Feb 22, 5:27 PM ET

WASHINGTON - The Democratic superdelegates are starting to follow the voters ? straight to Barack Obama.

In just the past two weeks, more than two dozen of them have climbed aboard his presidential campaign, according to a survey by The Associated Press. At the same time, Hillary Rodham Clinton's are beginning to jump ship, abandoning her for Obama or deciding they now are undecided.

The result: He's narrowing her once-commanding lead among these "superdelegates," the Democratic office holders and party officials who automatically attend the national convention and can vote for whomever they choose.

As Obama has reeled off 11 straight primary victories, some of the superdelegates are having second ? or third ? thoughts about their public commitments.

Take John Perez, a Californian who first endorsed John Edwards and then backed Clinton. Now, he says, he is undecided.

"Given where the race is at right now, I think it's very important for us to play a role around bringing the party together around the candidate that people have chosen, as opposed to advocating for our own choice," he said in an interview.

Clinton still leads among superdelegates ? 241 to 181, according to the AP survey. But her total is down two in the past two weeks, while Obama's is up 25. Since the primaries started, at least three Clinton superdelegates have switched to Obama, including Rep. David Scott of Georgia, who changed his endorsement after Obama won 80 percent of the primary vote in Scott's district. At least two other Clinton backers have switched to undecided.

None of Obama's have publicly strayed, according to the AP tally.

There are nearly 800 Democratic superdelegates, making them an important force in a nomination race as close as this one. Both campaigns are furiously lobbying them.

"Holy buckets!" exclaimed Audra Ostergard of Nebraska. "Michelle Obama and I are playing phone tag."

Billi Gosh, a Vermont superdelegate who backs Clinton, got a phone call from the candidate herself this week.

"As superdelegates, we have the opportunity to change our mind, so she's just connecting with me," Gosh said. "I couldn't believe she was able to fit in calls like that to her incredibly busy schedule."

In Utah, two Clinton superdelegates said they continue to support the New York senator ? for now.

"We'll see what happens," said Karen Hale. Likewise, fellow superdelegate Helen Langan said, "We'll see."

Other supporters are more steadfast.

"She's still in the race, isn't she? So I'm still supporting her," said Belinda Biafore, a superdelegate from West Virginia.

Obama has piled up the most victories in primaries and caucuses, giving him the overall lead in delegates, 1,362 to 1,266.5. Clinton's half delegate came from the global primary sponsored by the Democrats Abroad.

It will take 2,025 delegates to secure the nomination at this summer's national convention in Denver. If Clinton and Obama continue to split delegates in elections, neither will reach the mark without support from the superdelegates.

That has the campaigns fighting over the proper role for superdelegates, who can support any candidate they want. Obama argues it would be unfair for them to go against the outcome of the primaries and caucuses.

"I think it is important, given how hard Senator Clinton and I have been working, that these primaries and caucuses count for something," Obama said during Thursday night's debate in Austin, Texas.

Clinton argues that superdelegates should exercise independent judgment.

"These are the rules that are followed, and you know, I think that it will sort itself out," she said during the debate. "We will have a nominee, and we will have a unified Democratic Party, and we will go on to victory in November."

Behind the scenes, things can get sticky.

David Cicilline, the mayor of Providence, R.I., indicated this week that his support for Clinton might be wavering after ? he contended ? members of her campaign urged him to cave to the demands of a local firefighters union ahead of her weekend appearance there. The firefighters, in a long-running contract dispute with Cicilline, have said they would disrupt any Clinton event the mayor attends. A Clinton spokeswoman said the campaign would never interfere in the mayor's city decisions.

Obama has been helped by recent endorsements from several labor unions, including the Teamsters on Wednesday.

"He's our guy," said Sonny Nardi, an Ohio superdelegate and the president of Teamsters Local 416 in Cleveland.

The Democratic Party has named about 720 of its 795 superdelegates. The remainder will be chosen at state party conventions in the spring. AP reporters have interviewed 95 percent of the named delegates, with the most recent round of interviews taking place this week.

The superdelegates make up about a fifth of the overall delegates. As Democratic senators, both Clinton and Obama are superdelegates.

So is Cincinnati Mayor Mark Mallory, which is one reason his phone rings often.

He is a black mayor, and Obama has been winning about 90 percent of black votes. His state has a March 4 primary with 141 delegates at stake. The Democratic governor, Ted Strickland, is stumping hard for Clinton ? and perhaps a spot on the national ticket.

A phone call from former President Clinton interrupted Mallory's dinner on a recent Saturday.

"I continue to get calls from mayors, congresspeople, governors, urging me one way or another," said Mallory, who is still mulling his decision. "The celebrities will be next. I guess Oprah will call me."

___

Associated Press Writers Ace Stryker in Salt Lake City, Laura Kurtzman in Sacramento, Tom Breen in Charleston, W.Va., John Curran in Montpelier, Vt., Joe Milicia in Cleveland, Dan Sewell in Cincinnati and Anna Jo Bratton in Omaha contributed to this report.

(This version UPDATES delegate count; Democrats Abroad issued corrected allocation)

Former Clinton-supporting Superdelegates now undecided or supporting Obama. I doubt their indecision will last beyond the next few weeks. Many switching outright from Clinton to Obama, which you KNOW has to be stirring things up in certain quarters.

Looks like Ohio is no longer a sure thing for Hillary, despite what some poor, delusional souls continue to say whilst they grasp madly at straws.
 
Originally posted by: Robor
You bumped my apparent previous thread kill. 😛

You bumped MY thread kill! :| 😉

Actually, I just didn't think the article so Earth-shattering that it warranted a whole new thread, when there were so many spewing about the Superdelegates already. The problem was finding one that actually had some merit to it to post it in.

Instead I chose one of techs' threads. 😉
 
You outrank me so I'll apologize and bump your new info in an old thread. 😀

(cough) Go Barack! (/cough)
 
Originally posted by: Hafen
Also, I don't see Dean going away anytime soon, at leat w/o some sort of catastrophe. He is credited with the Dems taking back both the House and the Senate (along w/ the congressional election organizers) and so far the Dems are raising tremendous amts of money and support for their canidates. Its not all due to him, but times have been good under his leadership. Aside from the FL/MI mess, there is not a whole lot of reason to go after him while things are going so well.

I say you are 0/2.

Dean gets very little credit for the Dems taking back the House in 2006. The credit goes to the DCCC Chairman in 2006, Rahm Emanuel. If the DCCC didnt imbrace moderate Democrats in 2006 they would not have taken back the House. Rahm was the one responsible, not Dean.
 
I don't see why people think that the super delegates are going to ruin everything. These people are POLITICIANS. They know all about image and what would happen if they voted opposite the delegates. Half of them have not said who they are voting for because they are waiting for the winner to emerge. The super delegates who pledged early did it for political favors, but they aren't going to vote against the delegates at the convention.
 
Originally posted by: rockyct
I don't see why people think that the super delegates are going to ruin everything. These people are POLITICIANS. They know all about image and what would happen if they voted opposite the delegates. Half of them have not said who they are voting for because they are waiting for the winner to emerge. The super delegates who pledged early did it for political favors, but they aren't going to vote against the delegates at the convention.
Because conspiracists don't use logic in arriving by their conclusions. Some actually believed that obama could win by a large pledged margin and then for some reason the democratic party would throw all it supers at clinton to let her in. People simply fail to think things through. They don't understand motivations and consequences.

 
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