Should your boss be able to fire an employee for using birth control?

[rudeguy]

Generally they wouldn't, but I can see how the information might slip out at some point or another.

It seems like a kind of silly law to me, but the politics around birth control got silly a long time ago with the whole Hobby Lobby decision.

OK I think we are on the same page then. The law itself was kind of pointless but the Republicans were worried about what could stem from it?

My thoughts on this are: meh

EDIT:

Have you ever read "This Present Darkness"? If not, its worth a read. It will give you an idea of why we Right Wing Nut Jobs fight so hard on small issues.

 

[drebo]

We have laws that prevent you from firing someone due to their race, religion, etc, because our country has a pretty horrible history in that regard.

Grow a thicker skin.

Tyranny of the minority. Blah blah blah.

Blah.

Bleeding hearts are the reason this country sucks so much.

 

[norseamd]

The bottom line is that you do not have a fundamental right to be employed and businesses do not exist for the sole purpose of employing you.

Now I agree with you about this but .....

So is this not what Republicans support as a platform in how they consider government policies need to promote jobs and that anything that can cause the loss of even a few jobs is evil?

Funny I think that is how capitalism often is proselytising their "moral superiority" over other political ideologies.

 

[rudeguy]

Now I agree with you about this but .....

So is this not what Republicans support as a platform in how they consider government policies need to promote jobs and that anything that can cause the loss of even a few jobs is evil?

Funny I think that is how capitalism often is proselytising their "moral superiority" over other political ideologies.

Please explain:

When companies turn into corporations or any related types of incorporated companies they are not private companies anymore and thus must abide by laws that are governing publicly operated companies.

How does incorporating make a private company public?

 

[fskimospy]

OK I think we are on the same page then. The law itself was kind of pointless but the Republicans were worried about what could stem from it?

My thoughts on this are: meh

EDIT:

Have you ever read "This Present Darkness"? If not, its worth a read. It will give you an idea of why we Right Wing Nut Jobs fight so hard on small issues.

I have not! Maybe I'll check it out.

 

[norseamd]

This is terrible.

For over a decade, for example, the U.S. Congress made it a federal crime for the D.C. government to spend locally-raised tax dollars for HIV prevention programming. Today, the District has one of the highest HIV rates in the nation.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/hob...oyers-can-fire-women-for-using-birth-control/

 

[norseamd]

I have not! Maybe I'll check it out.

The cliff notes sound very stereotypically Christian fundamentalist. And the crazy shit is that many think that way.

 

[norseamd]

How does incorporating make a private company public?

There are so many loopholes in business law so like I give any fucking shits about the particulars. But when you get certain privileges from the government then they have a right to make demands of your conduct in exchange for those privileges or benefits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_liability_company

 

[fskimospy]

Grow a thicker skin.

Tyranny of the minority. Blah blah blah.

Blah.

Bleeding hearts are the reason this country sucks so much.

No thanks, we'll just keep using the antidiscrimination laws on the books. Don't like them? Grow a thicker skin.

 

[rudeguy]

There are so many loopholes in business law so like I give any fucking shits about the particulars. But when you get certain privileges from the government then they have a right to make demands of your conduct in exchange for those privileges or benefits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_liability_company

I know what a corporation and an LLC are. I run one of our LLCs and work for a corp.

Now please explain how incorporating makes a private company public? Please refrain from shitting out wiki links and explain how you have this knowledge or where you got the experience?

 

[rudeguy]

The cliff notes sound very stereotypically Christian fundamentalist. And the crazy shit is that many think that way.

The cliff notes?

So you are saying that you did a Google search and now know more about it than someone who has read the whole series many times over?

 

[drebo]

Now I agree with you about this but .....

So is this not what Republicans support as a platform in how they consider government policies need to promote jobs and that anything that can cause the loss of even a few jobs is evil?

Funny I think that is how capitalism often is proselytising their "moral superiority" over other political ideologies.

I'm not a Republican, so I don't really care what they support.

Both parties right now are for big government and both parties don't really give a shit about individual liberties. This is the root of the problem. The government is trying to fix a problem that isn't a problem.

 

[drebo]

No thanks, we'll just keep using the antidiscrimination laws on the books. Don't like them? Grow a thicker skin.

Awesome. Right from the Bleeding Heart 2.0 playbook... Someone did something I didn't like? Must be discrimination!

 

[norseamd]

I know what a corporation and an LLC are. I run one of our LLCs and work for a corp.

Now please explain how incorporating makes a private company public? Please refrain from shitting out wiki links and explain how you have this knowledge or where you got the experience?

Who gives a fuck.

That was not the fucking point at all.

But when you get certain privileges from the government then they have a right to make demands of your conduct in exchange for those privileges or benefits.

 

[fskimospy]

Awesome. Right from the Bleeding Heart 2.0 playbook... Someone did something I didn't like? Must be discrimination!

Nice non sequitur. I have no idea what you're babbling about but you seem to badly need a civics class.

 

[rudeguy]

Who gives a fuck.

That was not the fucking point at all.

Please give real world examples. NOT wiki links.

 

[Subyman]

I believe an employer needs just cause to fire some one. If you don't want them wearing crocs or listening to justin bieber, then make it a work policy to require closed shoes and no personal music. Employers reaching beyond their walls to things that do not affect their business is too similar to a lordship. Being a "bleeding heart" because I think there should be discriminatory protections is old hat, rectified in the 60's. The vast majority is for discriminatory protections on the job, so it isn't a "bleeding heart" position. Quite the opposite, people against it are cold, stone hearts.

 

[CitizenKain]

Bleeding hearts are the reason this country sucks so much.

No, its mainly people like you and other rightwingers.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

In Texas companies need to have just cause for terminating an employee. If not,
the company can be on the hook for unemployment benefits including health insurance.

http://www.twc.state.tx.us/news/efte/easy_mistakes.html

I suspect other states have similar policies in place as well.

 

[berzerker60]

Anyone should be able to fire anybody for any reason, no questions asked.

Private companies are private and not anyone else's business.

Would I knowingly patronize a place for doing that? Probably not.

This

Everyone should be able to hire children to work for sub-poverty wages with no safety precautions in place, or ability to sue the company from gross negligence if those children die in easily-preventable situations. After all, it's a *private* business and therefore no one else could possible have any kind of reason to care about it!

The free market ends bad companies, just like it did slavery, and oppression of America's blacks, and kills awful companies today like Comcast!

These are just great opinions all around.

Please give real world examples. NOT wiki links.

His point was extremely clear: Companies that operate in the US marketplace benefit from the government that prevents monopolies, prevents other companies from employing physical violence to shut them down, keeps the dollar stable, arranges trade deals with foreign countries, prevents securities fraud that would destroy trust in the marketplace, builds roads and infrastructure that makes the company possible, educates workers for the company to hire, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

In exchange for that, companies have to operate within society's rules, which are allowed to change. Companies can't hire child labor anymore, or discriminate against women, or refuse service to specific races, or violate the health code in food establishments, or advertise falsely, or a million other things that make the marketplace and society function.

It has nothing to do with the company becoming public, which just relates to stock ownership.

 

[rudeguy]

In Texas companies need to have just cause for terminating an employee. If not,
the company can be on the hook for unemployment benefits including health insurance.

http://www.twc.state.tx.us/news/efte/easy_mistakes.html

I suspect other states have similar policies in place as well.

I always thought that was the case everywhere?

Michigan is an "At Will" state. Getting at-willed is guaranteed unemployment benefits.

 

[Nebor]

That's a complicated question without an easy "yes" or "no" answer.

 

[glenn1]

Help me out man. How would an employer know if you are using BC or what kind you are using?

I don't get what the law is supposed to accomplish?

Taking a SWAG, this is probably so that religious employers like the Catholic Church can avoid a mandate to provide contraceptives to its employees as part of its basic health insurance. If they have the right to say you can't use BC as a condition of employment, the perceived sin of paying for BC for employees is moot.

Not saying it makes sense, but it could be something as simple as that. I'm not even going to get into the more logical question of why the church feels an omnipotent God can create the universe but is completely befuddled in creating a baby just because someone uses BC. Just seems like it would be a pretty easy lift for someone who can part the Red Sea, flood the world, etc to engineer a faulty BC pill or broken condom.

 

[child of wonder]

Could a Mormon business owner fire an employee for engaging in oral sex? Could a Jehovah's Witness business owner fire one for receiving a blood transfusion? A Jewish owner fire an employee for eating pork? A Muslim owner for someone becoming apostate?

firing someone for their family planning choices because of your religious beliefs is equally ludicrous.

 

[thraashman]

Could a Mormon business owner fire an employee for engaging in oral sex? Could a Jehovah's Witness business owner fire one for receiving a blood transfusion? A Jewish owner fire an employee for eating pork? A Muslim owner for someone becoming apostate?

If firing someone for their family planning choices because of your religious beliefs is equally ludicrous.

I'm pretty sure Republicans would support all those except for the one in which a Muslim was allowed to do it.