Should women protect themselves from rape

[ch33zw1z]

I was just pointing out the irony of test for a date rape drug being inside a more common date rape drug.

That is irony, but understand that Rohypnol can be added to any drink.

So you don't have any real answers, you're just whining because....?

 

[MrPickins]

school yourself on date rape drugs.

He's absolutely correct.

You should follow your own advice.

 

[Moonbeam]

That brings up a problem. If a woman asked how she could protect herself from rape I don't think I could say she shouldn't because of the potential for transfer of blame. That seems to be a choice the woman needs to make for herself.

I think the whole point of what the feminist was saying is just the agony of this double bind. Protection is good but with it goes the inevitable blame if it isn't used. Because of the mindset of idiots she's screwed either way.

 

[thraashman]

I think the primary reason feminists might have a problem with this is because it's treating a symptom and not the illness. The illness is the people who defend rape, rape culture, and rapists. You know, the nehalems of this world.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

In a similar but slightly different vein, women are blamed for contributing to a rape because of their style of dress. Happens all the time during rape trials....woman dressed "provocatively?"....rape OK.

Sadly that does happen, but in this case we have competing issues. One is the general idea that protecting oneself can potentially lead to abuse for not doing so, but then should one deny themselves protection to prevent the potential? I'm talking general terms, not vouching for the efficacy or merit of any approach. If my daughter wanted to carry pepper spray if she had to travel along dangerous paths I could lament that it were necessary, or mention what might happen if most women carried pepper spray and she didn't, but I will always lean towards her safety first.

 

[Moonbeam]

It was not, and it definitely didn't show that.

You never fail to impress me with just how stupid one individual can be. I think I read someone say that you still live with your parents. Your poor reasoning skills that are so frequently on display here seem to offer a plausible explanation for that.

I think sociopath or worse is a more likely possibility.

 

[ch33zw1z]

He's absolutely correct.

You should follow your own advice.

so date rape drugs are over the counter now?

look guys, entire stores dedicated to date rape drugs.

there's different flavors, different strengths, cool looking bottles to keep so you can always remember that special night.

 

[fskimospy]

Its your post bro. If you have chocolate ice cream why serve shit?

I've referenced actual studies plenty of times before, in threads you've participated in no less. You're just too dim-witted to remember.

 

[nehalem256]

You never fail to impress me with just how stupid one individual can be. I think I read someone say that you still live with your parents. Your poor reasoning skills that are so frequently on display here seem to offer a plausible explanation for that.

Sorry bro I actually own my own house.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sorry bro I actually own my own house.

Thank you for making my point.

 

[MrPickins]

so date rape drugs are over the counter now?

look guys, entire stores dedicated to date rape drugs.

there's different flavors, different strengths, cool looking bottles to keep so you can always remember that special night.

Even if there were, and I doubt it, the use of date rape drugs is extremely small (regardless of what the yellow journalists would have you believe).

General statistics of predator drugs[edit]
Previously, Weir noted that cases of drug-facilitated sexual assault were frequently found to involve alcohol, marijuana or cocaine, and were less likely to involve drugs, such as flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) and gamma-hydroxybutyrate [(GHB)], that are commonly described as being used in this context. Similar findings have been reported by others, including Hall and colleagues in a recent retrospective study from Northern Ireland.

—Bernadette Butler, MB BS and Jan Welch, MB BS BSc, Drug-facilitated Sexual Assault[11]
One study in the UK concluding that that there was "no evidence to suggest widespread date rape drug use" in the UK and that no cases in 120 examined involved rohypnol and just two involved GHB.[12][13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_rape_drug

 

[Phanuel]

I think the primary reason feminists might have a problem with this is because it's treating a symptom and not the illness. The illness is the people who defend rape, rape culture, and rapists. You know, the nehalems of this world.

Feminists have a problem with everything that doesn't place them on a pedestal while simultaneously granting special privileges and victim status.

Rape culture, what a wonderful way to encourage healthy debate by immediately going to the bottom and then accusing anyone who disagrees with it as supporting same said "culture". Testosterone levels have been dropping over the decades due to the feminization of society but rapes keep going up for some reason (hint, it's because the definition of rape keeps expanding to include additional acts that aren't really rape anymore).

There's a new acronym for rape in certain circles, Regret A Prior Encounter, which is becomingly astonishingly clear is what it's being used for more and more these days. The legitimacy of actual rape culture is completely unreal.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Even if there were, and I doubt it, the use of date rape drugs is extremely small (regardless of what the yellow journalists would have you believe).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_rape_drug

Even if there were? I was talking about alcohol, so you don't agree it's a date rape drug now?

 

[MrPickins]

Even if there were? I was talking about alcohol.

Maybe you should be more clear so people don't assume you're an idiot...


So, what exactly is your point? That alcohol is not a date rape drug because it doesn't require a prescription?

 

[Exophase]

Is it really that hard to keep an eye on your drink and only accept them from the bartender?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Maybe you should be more clear so people don't assume you're an idiot...

You didn't put 2 and 2 together, and I'm an idiot. Ok bud.

So, what exactly is your point? That alcohol is not a date rape drug because it doesn't require a prescription?

I don't know, you assume I'm an idiot....should I even bother?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Is it really that hard to keep an eye on your drink and only accept them from the bartender?

it's sad, but sometimes the people you trust the most can let you down.

 

[MrPickins]

You didn't put 2 and 2 together, and I'm an idiot. Ok bud.

Wow I feel so dumb for having misinterpreted a vague, sarcastic statement on the internet! how will I ever go on?


(See, that's how you do sarcasm...)

I don't know, you assume I'm an idiot....should I even bother?

Do you actually have anything to say?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Wow I feel so dumb for having misinterpreted a vague, sarcastic statement on the internet! how will I ever go on?


(See, that's how you do sarcasm...)

it was very clear. all you had to do was think about it for a second.

Do you actually have anything to say?

Yes, plenty. Like how I'm pouring myself a tall glass of date rape right now.

 

[Exophase]

it's sad, but sometimes the people you trust the most can let you down.

Yeah but if you get your own drinks and don't give other people the opportunity to slip something in them..

Anyway, this attitude given by some of these feminists is stupid, because roofies aren't a part of the so-called rape culture where cultural norms prevent people from realizing what they're doing isn't okay. Everyone who gives someone a roofie knows the consequences and they don't care. It's not an education problem.

I don't know how people think offering ways to defend against human scum is victim blaming. No one's making women do anything. I think some people are just pissed off when they end up doing more to protect themselves from a minority of awful people. Like how I'm pissed off that I have to manage an encrypted list of randomized passwords to protect myself from hackers, and I wish they'd just cut it out, but I'm not going to start talking about how this isn't a world I want to live in.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Can't argue with any of that.

 

[Exophase]

I think what some are afraid of here is people saying "shoulda had the nail polish" next time someone gets roofied. Which is a totally hypothetical outcome, and ironically enough, a great example of improperly attributing blame.

 

[glenn1]

I think what some are afraid of here is people saying "shoulda had the nail polish" next time someone gets roofied. Which is a totally hypothetical outcome, and ironically enough, a great example of improperly attributing blame.

If women can't handle the second-guessing which happens any time something bad happens to anyone (male or female) then they really aren't true equals. And if that second guessing has an element of truth because it's something the victim of that circumstance could (and perhaps should) have done I have even less sympathy for any distress the target of it may experence.

 

[nehalem256]

If women can't handle the second-guessing which happens any time something bad happens to anyone (male or female) then they really aren't true equals. And if that second guessing has an element of truth because it's something the victim of that circumstance could (and perhaps should) have done I have even less sympathy for any distress the target of it may experence.

Or if the 2nd guessing is requiring you to do something silly to protect against a small risk.

Like for instance if you are out walking and get shot and someone says: "Well you should have worn a bullet proof vest moron" ^_^

 

[glenn1]

Or if the 2nd guessing is requiring you to do something silly to protect against a small risk.

Like for instance if you are out walking and get shot and someone says: "Well you should have worn a bullet proof vest moron" ^_^

If that happened the obvious solution would be to invent a term like "slut shaming" and "bulletproof vest culture". Then work against it by walking around nude except for a bulletproof vest and chanting "don't be careful not to get shot, instead teach gang members not to shoot."