Should women protect themselves from rape

[Phanuel]

school yourself on date rape drugs.

School yourself on actual instances of that happening. I'm at work so I'm not going to start finding the statistics I had read earlier. There was a hospital somewhere that tested several hundred women who came in claiming that they had been roofied and none of them had any of it in their system but they were still intoxicated.

 

[ch33zw1z]

School yourself on actual instances of that happening. I'm at work so I'm not going to start finding the statistics I had read earlier. There was a hospital somewhere that tested several hundred women who came in claiming that they had been roofied and none of them had any of it in their system but they were still intoxicated.

If they were roofied, they wouldn't have made to the hospital while still intoxicated.

And in those cases, what drugs did they test for. Was it limited to Rohypnol because that was the claim?

 

[nehalem256]

school yourself on date rape drugs.

"Quite honestly, alcohol is the No. 1 date rape drug," said Mike Lyttle, regional supervisor for the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation's Nashville crime lab. "… Roofies are very rarely — if ever — seen in real life."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-most-common-drug-in-sexual-assaults/3285139/

Consider yourself schooled

 

[Newell Steamer]

Feminists continue ensuring that the victim card is available to them, more news at 11.

And rape statistics is another "fun" area where the definition of rape continues to expand and is primarily centered around intoxicated individuals and their inability to consent as well as being classified as "Non-consensual sexual penetration" which completely excludes men from being raped typically if one ignores prisoners and homosexuals.

On the subject of prison rape - and how men have been totally ignored - some states claim they can't do anything about it; http://bigstory.ap.org/article/some-states-opting-out-federal-prison-rape-law

With even our good old misanthropist Rick Perry leading the charge, and telling the feds that protecting men from getting raped in prison "violated states' rights."

Sorry guys, you can't blame everything on the feminazi's.

 

[Newell Steamer]

If they were roofied, they wouldn't have made to the hospital while still intoxicated.

Silly ch33w1z, you see, the women's friends dropped her off at the hospital.

How can you be so blind? It is all part of the "Sisterhood's" plan to manipulate men, the government, Jesus, the Koch Brothers and every other woman hater into bending to the evil will of the evil women!

You've been suckered, sucker.

 

[BoberFett]

Didn't you argue that making abortion illegal is wrong because laws against abortion do nothing to deter it?

Remember who you're talking to, everything eskimospy says is situational based on his own personal bias.

 

[nehalem256]

On the subject of prison rape - and how men have been totally ignored - some states claim they can't do anything about it; http://bigstory.ap.org/article/some-states-opting-out-federal-prison-rape-law

With even our good old misanthropist Rick Perry leading the charge, and telling the feds that protecting men from getting raped in prison "violated states' rights."

Sorry guys, you can't blame everything on the feminazi's.

Men are actually as likely to be raped as women even excluding prison rape

Data hasn’t been calculated under the new FBI definition yet, but Stemple parses several other national surveys in her new paper, “The Sexual Victimization of Men in America: New Data Challenge Old Assumptions,” co-written with Ilan Meyer and published in the April 17 edition of the American Journal of Public Health. One of those surveys is the 2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, for which the Centers for Disease Control invented a category of sexual violence called “being made to penetrate.” This definition includes victims who were forced to penetrate someone else with their own body parts, either by physical force or coercion, or when the victim was drunk or high or otherwise unable to consent. When those cases were taken into account, the rates of nonconsensual sexual contact basically equalized, with 1.270 million women and 1.267 million men claiming to be victims of sexual violence.

http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl..._reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html

 

[ch33zw1z]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-most-common-drug-in-sexual-assaults/3285139/

Consider yourself schooled

So you didn't go look up anything about actual date rape drugs.

Shit man, I'm so surprised.

if alcohol is such a menace, why is it sold everywhere you go? And if it's such an effective date rape drug, then why would anyone even need roofies?

Oh, that's right...because alcohol isn't hte most effective date rape drug. It's a drug, but in terms of how much is actually consumed by americans versus how much of a date rape drug it is...there's no comparison. People use date rape drugs because alcohol just isn't that good at it.

So, again, school yourself on actual date rape drugs.

 

[fskimospy]

Remember who you're talking to, everything eskimospy says is situational based on his own personal bias.

Some laws have shown no deterrent effect, such as abortion laws. This has been established by empirical research.

As a whole, laws prevent crimes from being committed. This has also been established by empirical research.

Now's your chance to provide empirical research that laws do not prevent crimes from being committed.

It's not my fault you said something dumb.

EDIT: Think how bad it's gotten. You're on the same side as nehalem in a thread that involves women.

 

[nehalem256]

Some laws have shown no deterrent effect, such as abortion laws. This has been established by empirical research.

Whats funny is I believe your "empirical research" was to compare the abortion rate of the US to Brazil. Which actually showed that making abortion illegal made abortion more prevalent!

 

[nehalem256]

So you didn't go look up anything about actual date rape drugs.

Shit man, I'm so surprised.

if alcohol is such a menace, why is it sold everywhere you go? And if it's such an effective date rape drug, then why would anyone even need roofies?

Oh, that's right...because alcohol isn't hte most effective date rape drug. It's a drug, but in terms of how much is actually consumed by americans versus how much of a date rape drug it is...there's no comparison. People use date rape drugs because alcohol just isn't that good at it.

So, again, school yourself on actual date rape drugs.

Did I say it was the most effective?

The real irony of testing your alcoholic beverage for date rape drugs is that alcohol is the most prevalent date rape drug :awe:

No I didn't actually. I said it was the most prevalent.

 

[fskimospy]

Whats funny is I believe your "empirical research" was to compare the abortion rate of the US to Brazil. Which actually showed that making abortion illegal made abortion more prevalent!

It was not, and it definitely didn't show that.

You never fail to impress me with just how stupid one individual can be. I think I read someone say that you still live with your parents. Your poor reasoning skills that are so frequently on display here seem to offer a plausible explanation for that.

 

[nehalem256]

It was not, and it definitely didn't show that.

You never fail to impress me with just how stupid one individual can be. I think I read someone say that you still live with your parents. Your poor reasoning skills that are so frequently on display here seem to offer a plausible explanation for that.

Bad news, Texashiker. Research shows that the legality of abortion is not well correlated with the frequency of abortion. In Brazil where abortion is basically entirely illegal there were about 1 million abortions last year in a population of 200 million. In the US where abortion is broadly legal there were about 1.1 million abortions in a population of about 300 million people.

:hmm:

So again per your "empirical research" making abortion illegal actually leads to more abortions.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Did I say it was the most effective?



No I didn't actually. I said it was the most prevalent.

Think about why that is.

Did you even read what you bolded? "Such an effective" is not the same as "most effective". I even said the next line down that it's not the most effective, but is consumed in vast quantities by Americans.

 

[nehalem256]

Think about why that is.

Because alcohol is effective enough while being easy to access and easy to give to victims.

As an added benefit its far less suspicious for someone to be drunk than to test positive for a roofie.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm pissed that people even need to protect themselves from hucksters preying on the gullible with Nigerian 419 email scams, but I'm not going to berate the people who created Spam filters because the world isn't perfect.

Me either, nor am I going after people who complain that with every protection we can come up with comes the inevitable blame the victim routine that will come if that protection isn't used. You have to understand how denial works. It will seize on any argument to transfer blame elsewhere. Some feminists are just aware of the actual inevitable situation.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Nobody should ever "have to" defend themselves. But there are scumbags out there, so naturally, everybody should be on the defensive unless you live in a land where there are no scumbags (historically, some isolated, low population places did not even have concepts or words in their language for things like theft or crime. Look at Greenland as an example)

Anyhow, I think this is a good invention overall though I do have some philosophical problems with making the potential victim pay for protection rather than the public at large ...

 

[Moonbeam]

So you're promoting abuse culture.

Abuse culture would be me calling you an idiot for allowing women to abuse you. When you wear pheromones in your panties you deserve all the abuse women can deal.

 

[fskimospy]

:hmm:

So again per your "empirical research" making abortion illegal actually leads to more abortions.

That's not empirical research, nor was it what I was referencing.

Now you're showing that you don't even know what empirical research is. Even stupider.

 

[Meghan54]

If a woman was raped I don't know anyone who would say "tsk, tsk, it's her fault because she wore the wrong nail polish".

In a similar but slightly different vein, women are blamed for contributing to a rape because of their style of dress. Happens all the time during rape trials....woman dressed "provocatively?"....rape OK.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Because alcohol is effective enough while being easy to access and easy to give to victims.

As an added benefit its far less suspicious for someone to be drunk than to test positive for a roofie.

So what do you do now, ban alcohol?

 

[nehalem256]

That's not empirical research, nor was it what I was referencing.

Now you're showing that you don't even know what empirical research is. Even stupider.

Its your post bro. If you have chocolate ice cream why serve shit?

 

[nehalem256]

So what do you do now, ban alcohol?

I was just pointing out the irony of test for a date rape drug being inside a more common date rape drug.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Me either, nor am I going after people who complain that with every protection we can come up with comes the inevitable blame the victim routine that will come if that protection isn't used. You have to understand how denial works. It will seize on any argument to transfer blame elsewhere. Some feminists are just aware of the actual inevitable situation.

That brings up a problem. If a woman asked how she could protect herself from rape I don't think I could say she shouldn't because of the potential for transfer of blame. That seems to be a choice the woman needs to make for herself.

 

[Moonbeam]

Remember who you're talking to, everything eskimospy says is situational based on his own personal bias.

It isn't laws that prevent some crime, but the fear of punishment the laws promise to deliver. When the sentence of a life of caring for a child you don't want, are incapable of caring for is a greater torture than the law provides it won't prevent abortion. It may slow it, but it will not prevent it. Try to be a bit more accommodating in your thinking.