Should women not be allowed into the marines/SWAT team (LAPD)?

[Xylitol]

I heard on the radio about letting women into the SWAT team in the LAPD / already allow them. Now, I think that women should be able to do anything that men can do as long as they don't endanger the others.

We all know that physically and mentally, women are different from men. If 1 person on a SWAT team messes up, it can compromise everyone else.
Marines are the first ones who are put into a hostile country, and you can't risk having anybody who's overly frightened there.

I think that women should have their own units where they can be together since they're all genetically similar.

Can any men here who are in the armed forces / police force put in their findings of women and how they differ from men? If I'm wrong sorry, but I don't want to see other people die because certain people don't fit into the team as well.

Thanks

 

[Auggie]

If they volunteer for it, it sounds good to me. You bet your ass they'll have to pass just as much of the psychological and tactical requirements as their penis-toting counterparts.

 

[erikistired]

michelle rodriguez would whoop your ass.

 

[tigersty1e]

Women are allowed to be on Swat/Elite forces.

The issue isn't whether they should be allowed. The issue is if they can pass the tests, standards, and qualifications to be on the teams.


As it stands, only men are able to pass the LAPD swat tests.


I'm all for women to be on these units ... IF... they can pass the tests and perform at the same level of these men.



So if they have to lower the standards or give women easier tests to get them on, I'm against it.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Considering that my wife is an ex-marine.....I'll answer with an affirmative.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
I heard on the radio about letting women into the SWAT team in the LAPD. Now, I think that women should be able to do anything that men can do as long as they don't endanger the others.

We all know that physically and mentally, women are different from men. If 1 person on a SWAT team messes up, it can compromise everyone else.
Marines are the first ones who are put into a hostile country, and you can't risk having anybody who's overly frightened there.

I think that women should have their own units where they can be together since they're all genetically similar.

Can any men here who are in the armed forces / police force put in their findings of women and how they differ from men? If I'm wrong sorry, but I don't want to see other people die because certain people don't fit into the team as well.

Thanks

Tactical selection is very tough, if someone makes it thru, the make it thru. I dont think the gender matters. In fact, in many swat situations I can think of reasons why a woman would be good to have on the team (often smaller stature, easier to snake into some areas where a larger person might have a problem, etc).

And all I care about snipers is that they hit their target.

Oh, and your post kinda makes you sound like a tool.

Bill

 

[Brainonska511]

Reminds me of this:

Zapp Brannigan: Alas, after a series of deadly blunders caused by distracting low-cut fatigues and lots of harmless pinching, the Army decided women weren't fit for service. Not when I?m in charge.

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: Xylitol
I heard on the radio about letting women into the SWAT team in the LAPD. Now, I think that women should be able to do anything that men can do as long as they don't endanger the others.

We all know that physically and mentally, women are different from men. If 1 person on a SWAT team messes up, it can compromise everyone else.
Marines are the first ones who are put into a hostile country, and you can't risk having anybody who's overly frightened there.

I think that women should have their own units where they can be together since they're all genetically similar.

Can any men here who are in the armed forces / police force put in their findings of women and how they differ from men? If I'm wrong sorry, but I don't want to see other people die because certain people don't fit into the team as well.

Thanks

Tactical selection is very tough, if someone makes it thru, the make it thru. I dont think the gender matters. In fact, in many swat situations I can think of reasons why a woman would be good to have on the team (often smaller stature, easier to snake into some areas where a larger person might have a problem, etc).

And all I care about snipers is that they hit their target.

Oh, and your post kinda makes you sound like a tool.

Bill

Because I'm trying to sound politically correct to not offend annoying feminists

 

[lyssword]

I'm pretty sure to shoot a gun it's unnecessary to bench press 300 lb. And for running there is less gap in strenght between women and men.
Swat teams require a lot of teamwork, and women usually more team-aware.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

I think it depends entirely on the woman. Consider this: How the average man or woman reacts to physically and mentally hostile situations differ greatly. The average man is more likely to react to someone yelling at them by getting angry while the average woman will react with fear or anxiety. Now that is just the average of each. You will have people at both ends of the spectrum, man or woman.

The following is based on personal experience and not on any quantitative studies:

Now let's compare the Army and Marines. I would say that the women of the marines are far tougher than the women in the Army and are far more likely to react like men (aggressively). At the same time I would say that a greater percentage of men in the Army are more likely to react with debilitating fear than the men in the Marines.

Ultimately the problem is in mixing the two types of personalities. In a combat situation you need to have everyone reacting in a common and predictable manner. Anyone that is weak (responds with debilitating fear) is not suitable in that environment....man or woman.

So in summary: A study would likely show that men are far more likely to be emotionally (the physical part can always be trained) suited for combat. I believe that only those suited for combat should be in it, and that means there will be far fewer women.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

If they can meet all the same requirements as the men. Sure.

 

[Skunkwourk]

Why not? Just make everyone wear a facemask, and have the women to take them off after they've kicked the crap out of an offender.

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: Auggie
If they volunteer for it, it sounds good to me. You bet your ass they'll have to pass just as much of the psychological and tactical requirements as their penis-toting counterparts.

I just feel like in a really dire situation, training won't help the mind, only your biological mentality. I think women should have their own unit then

 

[DnetMHZ]

<Chris Rock>" Hey! If they want to fight, let 'em fight, 'cause I ain't fighting! I wouldn't care if I saw a Russian tank rollin' down Flatbush Avenue. I ain't shootin nobody! "

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: Auggie
If they volunteer for it, it sounds good to me. You bet your ass they'll have to pass just as much of the psychological and tactical requirements as their penis-toting counterparts.

I just feel like in a really dire situation, training won't help the mind, only your biological mentality. I think women should have their own unit then

What? Do you think that when it hits the fan they're going to start weeping and immediately bake a pot pie?

I'll be that attitude gets you all of the ladies.

 

[Nitemare]

As long as they are physically capable, sure.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
As long as they are physically capable, sure.

Thats what I was getting at with my comment. for example If the requirement for men is an 8 minute mile with 40 lbs of gear. It should be the same for women.

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: Auggie
If they volunteer for it, it sounds good to me. You bet your ass they'll have to pass just as much of the psychological and tactical requirements as their penis-toting counterparts.

I just feel like in a really dire situation, training won't help the mind, only your biological mentality. I think women should have their own unit then

What? Do you think that when it hits the fan they're going to start weeping and immediately bake a pot pie?

I'll be that attitude gets you all of the ladies.

no because none of my friends who are girls are in the military. I don't dislike women at all - I just don't want to risk other people's lives because of a new introduction to a group (SWAT - I think it's fine as it is).
Also, I feel that women are better than men in lots of things (such as studying) but aren't as good as men in physical things.

By the way, this forum probably isn't the best forum to post physical-topic ideas on, but it's the only one I use

 

[mugs]

As long as they can pass the SAME tests that a man is required, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be allowed. If they are held to a lower standard, then they should NOT be in a position where someone else is depending on their abilities with their life.

 

[Xylitol]

I really want tallbill to tell me his experiences

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: lyssword
I'm pretty sure to shoot a gun it's unnecessary to bench press 300 lb. And for running there is less gap in strenght between women and men.
Swat teams require a lot of teamwork, and women usually more team-aware.

SWAT also requires more than holding/shooting a gun.

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: lyssword
I'm pretty sure to shoot a gun it's unnecessary to bench press 300 lb. And for running there is less gap in strenght between women and men.
Swat teams require a lot of teamwork, and women usually more team-aware.

SWAT also requires more than holding/shooting a gun.

More women than men find it harder to shoot their first kill and hesitation is bad

 

[RagingBITCH]

Why not? SWAT isn't like what you see in the movies...bam bam go in and kill everyone. It's very tactical and all options are exhausted before they get a chance to do anything. Most standoffs are taken care of before anything ever happens.

As long as they're physically capable, have the same reflexes, etc as everyone else they'll be fine. You're not going to find a new female recruit running point on a new operation.

 

[frostedflakes]

I'd be for it as long as the requirements are the same, I can't stand that feminist equal-but-not-equal crap. If you want to join an elite force, you have to perform on the same level as everyone else.

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Why not? SWAT isn't like what you see in the movies...bam bam go in and kill everyone. It's very tactical and all options are exhausted before they get a chance to do anything. Most standoffs are taken care of before anything ever happens.

As long as they're physically capable, have the same reflexes, etc as everyone else they'll be fine. You're not going to find a new female recruit running point on a new operation.

I'm sorry, but even if they can pass all the tests that men can pass, they should still not be in the same group together. Biologically, we're different - no training can change that.

Why else do you think the WNBA is not mixed in with the NBA?