Just a discussion we had at work the other day. We were talking about the draft, etc. I was wondering: now that we have a more egalitarian view towards women in the military, shouldn't they register with Selective Service at 18 and face the possibility of being drafted?
Should women be required to register with Selective Service?
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johnjohn320
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You would think so wouldn't you...
Funny how femenist groups never seem to complain about that ....
Funny how femenist groups never seem to complain about that ....
It seems a little far out to me, but fair's fair right? 
In Israel, isn't everyone required to serve a minimum term in the military? Both male and female?
In Israel, isn't everyone required to serve a minimum term in the military? Both male and female?Only if they're given equal opportunity when it comes to pay, jobs, and recognition in the military, which is not the case right now.
In Israel, however, the lengths of terms are different for men and women (basic requried) - I want to say 1.5 years for women, 3 years for guys, but I really dont remember except that the terms are different. I haven't registered for the SS, I have 3 months till my 18th b-day, how hard is it? Can't you do it online?
so what your saying montanafan, that everything has to be equal before drafting women??? I'm sorry to have to disagree with you and besides just where do you start and why can't you start with the drafting of women into the military??? women scream out for equality but bring up the draft and up pops some reason not to draft them...just as you have
Only if they're given equal opportunity when it comes to pay, jobs, and recognition in the military, which is not the case right now.
Equal opportunity doesn't mean equal results. What, you want teh US military to start throwing women into command roles just because you think 50% of the generals should be females?
Not likely, they'll have to earn those spots just like everybody else.
Equal opportunity doesn't mean equal results. What, you want teh US military to start throwing women into command roles just because you think 50% of the generals should be females?
Not likely, they'll have to earn those spots just like everybody else.
I just did it:
Thank you for submitting your information Mr. Rubin.
Under the law, a man must be at least 17 years and 11 months old before we can process his registration. The information that you submitted will be held until one month before your eighteenth birthday. At that time you will be registered automatically. Approximately two weeks after your registration is processed, you will receive an acknowledgment notice in the mail. Within a month of your eighteenth birthday, you may wish to visit our home page and click on 'To Check a Registration' to confirm that you are registered.
Cool, one less thing to mess with. How was that inconvient..took all of 30 seconds.
Thank you for submitting your information Mr. Rubin.
Under the law, a man must be at least 17 years and 11 months old before we can process his registration. The information that you submitted will be held until one month before your eighteenth birthday. At that time you will be registered automatically. Approximately two weeks after your registration is processed, you will receive an acknowledgment notice in the mail. Within a month of your eighteenth birthday, you may wish to visit our home page and click on 'To Check a Registration' to confirm that you are registered.
Cool, one less thing to mess with. How was that inconvient..took all of 30 seconds.
MontanaFan
>>>Only if they're given equal opportunity when it comes to pay, jobs, and recognition in the military, which is not the case right now.<<<
That is almost word for word what my 19 year old daughter said.
>>>Only if they're given equal opportunity when it comes to pay, jobs, and recognition in the military, which is not the case right now.<<<
That is almost word for word what my 19 year old daughter said.
it would seem fair, but what kind of a scope are we talking about here. I am supposing if that were true, then those who are single parents with child(ren) would not have to be drafted??
If you're drafted, how long is the training before you're minimally prepared to step foot onto the warzone or become backbone support for the military forefront??
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but in Taiwan, isn't it that every male reaching 18 have to be militarily trained for a period before they get released back to the public?? If that's the case and the requirement, then I beleive the country is more readily prepared for war? I think I may be wrong though...
Plucky
If you're drafted, how long is the training before you're minimally prepared to step foot onto the warzone or become backbone support for the military forefront??
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but in Taiwan, isn't it that every male reaching 18 have to be militarily trained for a period before they get released back to the public?? If that's the case and the requirement, then I beleive the country is more readily prepared for war? I think I may be wrong though...
Plucky
First of all, take a chill pill.
Secondly, I did not say that women should not be eligible for the draft. I said that if you want equality when it comes to the draft, then you should want equality when it comes to serving as well.
The reason that women are not eligible for the draft is because Congress will not allow it. They will not allow it because they will not allow women to be eligible for combat. Because women are not eligible for combat, they are not allowed to serve in combat positions, receive combat pay, or receive medals for serving in combat. The way that modern war is waged makes that absolutely ridiculous.
Just in case you didn't know it, there are plenty of women in the military, all volunteers, ALWAYS ALL VOLUNTEERS. Another little tidbit you may not have noticed, plenty of women have died serving their country. Go take a look at the list of servicemen and WOMEN who were killed in the Pentagon bombing. You'll find the names of serveral servicewomen there. Go take a look at the list of those killed on the U.S.S. Cole. You'll see the names of FEMALE soldiers there. Go take a look at the list of those killed in Operation Desert Storm. You'll see the names of the women killed in the scud attack on their base there. Look at the list of POWs in Desert Storm. You'll find at least one woman soldier's name there.
You know what's really unfair? None of the women who served in Desert Storm were allowed to receive combat pay. They weren't eligible for combat ribbons or medals. I'm not absolutely positive about this next one, but I don't think their beneficiaries were allowed to receive the death benefit for the survivors of soldiers killed in combat.
To reiterate, I did not say that women should not be eligible for the draft, but if you want equality, then you should not be allowed to pick and choose. Make it equal all the way around.
Secondly, I did not say that women should not be eligible for the draft. I said that if you want equality when it comes to the draft, then you should want equality when it comes to serving as well.
The reason that women are not eligible for the draft is because Congress will not allow it. They will not allow it because they will not allow women to be eligible for combat. Because women are not eligible for combat, they are not allowed to serve in combat positions, receive combat pay, or receive medals for serving in combat. The way that modern war is waged makes that absolutely ridiculous.
Just in case you didn't know it, there are plenty of women in the military, all volunteers, ALWAYS ALL VOLUNTEERS. Another little tidbit you may not have noticed, plenty of women have died serving their country. Go take a look at the list of servicemen and WOMEN who were killed in the Pentagon bombing. You'll find the names of serveral servicewomen there. Go take a look at the list of those killed on the U.S.S. Cole. You'll see the names of FEMALE soldiers there. Go take a look at the list of those killed in Operation Desert Storm. You'll see the names of the women killed in the scud attack on their base there. Look at the list of POWs in Desert Storm. You'll find at least one woman soldier's name there.
You know what's really unfair? None of the women who served in Desert Storm were allowed to receive combat pay. They weren't eligible for combat ribbons or medals. I'm not absolutely positive about this next one, but I don't think their beneficiaries were allowed to receive the death benefit for the survivors of soldiers killed in combat.
To reiterate, I did not say that women should not be eligible for the draft, but if you want equality, then you should not be allowed to pick and choose. Make it equal all the way around.
Geekbabe
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<< First of all, take a chill pill.
Secondly, I did not say that women should not be eligible for the draft. I said that if you want equality when it comes to the draft, then you should want equality when it comes to serving as well.
The reason that women are not eligible for the draft is because Congress will not allow it. They will not allow it because they will not allow women to be eligible for combat. Because women are not eligible for combat, they are not allowed to serve in combat positions, receive combat pay, or receive medals for serving in combat. The way that modern war is waged makes that absolutely ridiculous.
Just in case you didn't know it, there are plenty of women in the military, all volunteers, ALWAYS ALL VOLUNTEERS. Another little tidbit you may not have noticed, plenty of women have died serving their country. Go take a look at the list of servicemen and WOMEN who were killed in the Pentagon bombing. You'll find the names of serveral servicewomen there. Go take a look at the list of those killed on the U.S.S. Cole. You'll see the names of FEMALE soldiers there. Go take a look at the list of those killed in Operation Desert Storm. You'll see the names of the women killed in the scud attack on their base there. Look at the list of POWs in Desert Storm. You'll find at least one woman soldier's name there.
You know what's really unfair? None of the women who served in Desert Storm were allowed to receive combat pay. They weren't eligible for combat ribbons or medals. I'm not absolutely positive about this next one, but I don't think their beneficiaries were allowed to receive the death benefit for the survivors of soldiers killed in combat.
To reiterate, I did not say that women should not be eligible for the draft, but if you want equality, then you should not be allowed to pick and choose. Make it equal all the way around. >>
Ahem: I would just like to say Woohoo, you tell em' girl.
moralpanic,
<< Equal opportunity doesn't mean equal results. What, you want teh US military to start throwing women into command roles just because you think 50% of the generals should be females? >>
<< Not likely, they'll have to earn those spots just like everybody else. >>
I never said anything of the sort, but since you brought it up, I'd like to see women who are in the military have an opportunity to earn those spots. They're not allowed to right now. They can get the stars and bars on their uniforms. They can be promoted all the way to general, and there are women generals, but they can't serve in command positions.
Because of that, they don't get the full respect of the men in uniform. A man may have to salute a woman officer, but most do not respect her in the same way that they do a male officer because in the back of their mind they're thinking, yeah right, she's not a real soldier. She's never been and never will be on the front line like me.
Let women in the military have the opportunity to earn the same respect as their fellow soldiers.
<< Equal opportunity doesn't mean equal results. What, you want teh US military to start throwing women into command roles just because you think 50% of the generals should be females? >>
<< Not likely, they'll have to earn those spots just like everybody else. >>
I never said anything of the sort, but since you brought it up, I'd like to see women who are in the military have an opportunity to earn those spots. They're not allowed to right now. They can get the stars and bars on their uniforms. They can be promoted all the way to general, and there are women generals, but they can't serve in command positions.
Because of that, they don't get the full respect of the men in uniform. A man may have to salute a woman officer, but most do not respect her in the same way that they do a male officer because in the back of their mind they're thinking, yeah right, she's not a real soldier. She's never been and never will be on the front line like me.
Let women in the military have the opportunity to earn the same respect as their fellow soldiers.
One thing though: you don't have to make everything equal before requiring that women be eligible for the draft. The military becoming more egalitarian will be a result of more women joining, not vice versa. The women that do join now are paving the way for those that follow. As more women join, the pressure for more equality will increase. You can't just sit around and wait for it to happen. You need to demonstrate that it's there, rather than point it out. It sucks that that means that some women will have to suffer to make things better for the ones that come after, but that's how it seems to work.
no, and its for a reason...researches have found that men will make unnecessary risks to save the lives of women as opposed to men in the battlefield....makes sense if you think about it, save hot girl....or smelly george... unfortunately, these risks often lead to their(men) own demise...
Considering men are, I believe yes they should be.
<< no, and its for a reason...researches have found that men will make unnecessary risks to save the lives of women as opposed to men in the battlefield....makes sense if you think about it, save hot girl....or smelly george... unfortunately, these risks often lead to their(men) own demise... >>
If one's own stupidity leads to his demise then so be it.
<< no, and its for a reason...researches have found that men will make unnecessary risks to save the lives of women as opposed to men in the battlefield....makes sense if you think about it, save hot girl....or smelly george... unfortunately, these risks often lead to their(men) own demise... >>
If one's own stupidity leads to his demise then so be it.
<< << no, and its for a reason...researches have found that men will make unnecessary risks to save the lives of women as opposed to men in the battlefield....makes sense if you think about it, save hot girl....or smelly george... unfortunately, these risks often lead to their(men) own demise... >> >>
I've heard that one many times before. Men in combat have always taken unnecessary risks to save their brothers-in-arms on the battlefield. What's the difference?
Something about the way you said it makes me think you're not one of them, but I've found that many who quote that "study" are actually making a veiled comment that women would be more in need of saving because they wouldn't be competent in battle and I find that extremely insulting to all the women in the military who have served well and with bravery.
<< no, and its for a reason...researches have found that men will make unnecessary risks to save the lives of women as opposed to men in the battlefield....makes sense if you think about it, save hot girl....or smelly george... unfortunately, these risks often lead to their(men) own demise... >>
Complete horsebleep. Simply not true.
no way should women be eligible for a draft.......just not right.....imagine if women were in combat in Vietnam and were captured.....if you think some of the stories that McCain and other POW's tell are bad.....can you imagine?
"Only if they're given equal opportunity when it comes to pay, jobs, and recognition in the military, which is not the case right now" Also well put...
"Only if they're given equal opportunity when it comes to pay, jobs, and recognition in the military, which is not the case right now" Also well put...
<< To reiterate, I did not say that women should not be eligible for the draft, but if you want equality, then you should not be allowed to pick and choose. Make it equal all the way around. >>
what you did say is this...
<< Only if they're given equal opportunity when it comes to pay, jobs, and recognition in the military, which is not the case right now. >>
what you mean is there should be NO draft of women until there is equality...again I reiterate why include the drafting of women as a start to equality???imho you have back pedaled and put in certain requirements before you would want to see women drafted... what about the inequalities in the world in general...be it blacks or peoples of middle eastern decent or or the uneducated or a million other things... I still say your coming up with excuses..you should want to help protect our country by insisting on a womens draft instead of coming up with excuses or putting on certain requirements before something is instituted..the military has come a long way in the last 40 or so years concerning women in the military and the only true way for change is to work within the system and effect change from within...and so therefore IMHO you still are coming up with excuses to keep women from a draft... once again, to prove my point I quote you...
<< ]Only if they're given equal opportunity when it comes to pay, jobs, and recognition in the military, which is not the case right now. >>
is an excuse
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