If we say, put a 8 week limit of Welfar. 8 weeks of not having to work per year, after that you are cut from the system. Instead of just handing out money, we force them to do work for the cheques. Cleaning garbage, acting as crossing guards, ect, the mudane tasks that society needs. What would be the benefits or consequences of doing this?
Should we put limits on welfare
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I would agree with that, but there are mudane tasks needed on a day to day basis that the uneducated who are on welfare could do.
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Who will pay for this forced rate of pay for their work?
Will this assumed lower pay rate cut into current jobs?
What if there simply isn't work? ie. Newfoundland has a 16% unemployment rate.
I have my own solution, but just getting you to explain your idea
Will this assumed lower pay rate cut into current jobs?
What if there simply isn't work? ie. Newfoundland has a 16% unemployment rate.
I have my own solution, but just getting you to explain your idea
Originally posted by: Stunt
Who will pay for this forced rate of pay for their work?
Will this assumed lower pay rate cut into current jobs?
What if there simply isn't work? ie. Newfoundland has a 16% unemployment rate.
I have my own solution, but just getting you to explain your idea
1. The same people who pay for the welfare checks they get cut every month.
2. No, it will compliment these jobs, you can never get enough garbage sweepers, crossing guards, window washers ect.
3. There is always work.
A brief synopsis of my opinion on this:
Two years of full benefits (including child care) to allow someone to obtain job training or, say, a two-year degree. After the 2nd year, the benefits are greatly reduced as the recipient should now have a good job but keep a bit extra going to give them a good foundation (esp. to cover costs of child care) After the 3rd year, no more Federal benefits. If a person still has no job after 3 years, they must then rely upon private charity.
Two years of full benefits (including child care) to allow someone to obtain job training or, say, a two-year degree. After the 2nd year, the benefits are greatly reduced as the recipient should now have a good job but keep a bit extra going to give them a good foundation (esp. to cover costs of child care) After the 3rd year, no more Federal benefits. If a person still has no job after 3 years, they must then rely upon private charity.
Define welfare?
Do you mean Social Security, medicaid / medicare, foodstamps, subsidized housing, WIC, unemployment .....
The system is alot more complex than that.
Do you mean Social Security, medicaid / medicare, foodstamps, subsidized housing, WIC, unemployment .....
The system is alot more complex than that.
All handouts, I personally support universal healthcare, so take out medicaid/medicare, and keep all other forms of handouts/social support/social safety net.
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One year (unless handicapped). However, I feel that if you're going to school or training AND making progress, then maybe extensions could be given. Also, I feel that if you enter the workforce and maintain employment for an extended period of time (let's say a decade), then you should restore your eligibility of "assistance" if you need it again in life.
However, I feel too many people are too damn lazy to work and find ways to stay on the system. They can play all day, ride the four wheelers, pack kids around, etc. yet can't work.
People need a little help, but not a lifelong support system (again, handicapped and other exclusions may apply).
Does anyone feel that programs like EIC (Earned Income Credit) are welfare? You get more money back in tax refunds (far more) than you pay in? However, at least these people are encouraged to work. Is this a form or welfare or an incentive to work or a little of both?
Millions of working Americans have no health care insurance (or can't afford it), yet millions receive top notch care (better than private insurance in many cases) with few restrictions FREE of charge. Punished by working? Sometimes it seems, hence why so many adore the "freeness" of the programs....IMO>
Edit: To clarify the above statement on medical care, I can only claim this for the WV/KY region that I have personally seen. YMMV for the rest of the country, so don't get your panties in a wad if it's not that way where you are.
However, I feel too many people are too damn lazy to work and find ways to stay on the system. They can play all day, ride the four wheelers, pack kids around, etc. yet can't work.
People need a little help, but not a lifelong support system (again, handicapped and other exclusions may apply).
Does anyone feel that programs like EIC (Earned Income Credit) are welfare? You get more money back in tax refunds (far more) than you pay in? However, at least these people are encouraged to work. Is this a form or welfare or an incentive to work or a little of both?
Millions of working Americans have no health care insurance (or can't afford it), yet millions receive top notch care (better than private insurance in many cases) with few restrictions FREE of charge. Punished by working? Sometimes it seems, hence why so many adore the "freeness" of the programs....IMO>
Edit: To clarify the above statement on medical care, I can only claim this for the WV/KY region that I have personally seen. YMMV for the rest of the country, so don't get your panties in a wad if it's not that way where you are.
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I can not take anyone who advocates removing food stamp benefits from the poor seriously. I agree that cash assistance is something that seriously needs to be looked at and dealt with. But leave people's food benefits, which BTW is not a windfall by any means, alone..
We live in a society. Do you know what that means you spitful little sh!t?
I have close to $60k in student loans, im unemployed (for a week now), and there is NO WAY i can continue paying off my debt and still live/eat. Would it make you happy to see an American educated (Berkeley) neuroscientist on the street? So much for education == employment, eh? If i get a decent post before my retirement funds run out i will spend all my time trying to figure out what the hell is wrong with people like you.
That is a good point, I live in Canada, so am not affected by food stamps as we have none here, though we have many many many charities that provide food on a daily basis. If this is not present in the states, than yes, food stamps should not be taken away.
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If you are a neurologist from Berkley...you have no right to complain about unemployment.
Skilled workers have lots of opportunities in today's world, especially with an aging workforce.
You not getting a job is like an oil company that cannot make money
Skilled workers have lots of opportunities in today's world, especially with an aging workforce.
You not getting a job is like an oil company that cannot make money
I've known homeless people with Masters and PhD's. Education means squat in any, let alone a poor economy.
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We do currently have limits on welfare. You can get it for, I believe, up to a total of 5 years in your lifetime. Plus there is already a work requirement.
To limit it to 8 weeks is a terrible idea. During economic downturns there are people who would literally become homeless. And what would we do with those people? Shelter them at great expense or send around the morgue truck every night in winter in the northern parts of the country?
FYI there are millions of these people.
So eliminating welfare would probably result in at least tens of thousands of deaths.
Where is your humanity?
To limit it to 8 weeks is a terrible idea. During economic downturns there are people who would literally become homeless. And what would we do with those people? Shelter them at great expense or send around the morgue truck every night in winter in the northern parts of the country?
FYI there are millions of these people.
So eliminating welfare would probably result in at least tens of thousands of deaths.
Where is your humanity?
Youre also a spiteful little sh!t, just like the OP. You dont know sh!t, and i wish people like you would do some RESEARCH before formulating your opinions.
Here are some anecdotal facts: im in my late 20s, i have a phd from berkeley in visual neuroscience with emphasis in computer vision/computer science (C++/matlab/OOP/PHP/GUI development/etc)/statistics/etc., i have years of experience in image processing and computer vision at top schools (Penn, UT at Austin, and Berkeley), AND i have been looking for work for 7 or 8 months. Guess what? Im unemployed and unemployment compensation doesnt pay HALF of what i make as a postdoc (you clearly do not know, but its sh!t pay as a postdoc--lookup NRSA payscale to find out). I am cashing out my TSA which should carry me for two more months.
Now, i ask you and your little friends, does this seem appropriate? Does this seem "fair?" Does this reinforce your "lazy, dumb, minorities" are welfare receipiants ignorance?
Stunt's just trolling. He's trying to push my buttons via PMs and in this thread and in my thread on the body armor. He thinks he's getting under my skin but he's not. He's just exposing himself for the troll he is.
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