Should we just "disappear" him?

Viper1j

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Can it even be done?


Trump could land plea deal because evidence too secret to reveal at trial: report​

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Donald Trump could land a plea deal in his classified documents case because evidence is so top secret that prosecutors don’t want it revealed at a trial, the New York Times reported Monday.

Of the 37 counts the former president was arraigned on last week, 31 involved Espionage Act charges involving his alleged keeping of national security documents. Of those documents, 21 were marked “top secret.”

The New York Times reported that presents many problems, including lawyers needing security clearance to view them – and how to give a fair trial when information is too secret to share publicly and with a jury.

A lawyer who has dealt with classified evidence cases, Joshua L. Dratel, told the Times, “It’s routine, if not invariable, that you’ll get a plea offer in a case in which the government says, ‘If we have to provide classified discovery to you, this offer is no longer on the table,’ and those can be very attractive plea offers.”

“That’s because there is a tremendous tension between intelligence agencies and prosecutors that defense lawyers can exploit.”

“The Constitution gives defendants a right to a public trial and the public a right to see trials,” the Times reported, adding that the government could choose to declassify information so that it could be presented publicly.

The decision to do that depends on what is in the files, and if security officials think it’s too risky to reveal.

The Times also reported that Trump, who has pleaded not guilty to all of the charges against him, is not expected to accept a plea deal. The report also suggested that Trump’s team could threaten to reveal the information at the trial as a way to pressure the government to drop charges completely.
 

GodisanAtheist

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No, wouldn't want Trump disappeared, I want him to stand trial and face some consequences for his actions.

Not sure what kind of magical defense the prosecution is worried about, and if it's procedural bullshit then you gotta work through the procedural bullshit.
 

Viper1j

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Okay, let's paint a picture.

Trump is facing (fill in the blank) years in (fill in the blank) prison. And he says: "if you send me there I will tell every convict, every top-secret document I have ever read, I will speak about every top-secret meeting I have had."

Now, if that kind of threat doesn't warrant a disappearance, I don't know what does. The only thing off the table is, letting him walk.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Okay, let's paint a picture.

Trump is facing (fill in the blank) years in (fill in the blank) prison. And he says: "if you send me there I will tell every convict, every top-secret document I have ever read, I will speak about every top-secret meeting I have had."

Now, if that kind of threat doesn't warrant a disappearance, I don't know what does. The only thing off the table is, letting him walk.

-Yeah the fucking President of the fucking US is gonna be in the general pop with Pedro and Dale.

Dude is gonna be in the functional equivalent of house arrest in the Warden's suite at worst.

Interactions with him can absolutely be limited.
 

eelw

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Nope. The 31 they are willing to reveal during trial. But yeah what else was there that they are truly sensitive and can’t be revealed?
 
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Viper1j

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The only disappearing we should do is ignoring him. Otherwise Im not sure what youre saying. What do you mean by disappear?
Well I'm not talking about an Epstein. That would be too public.

Something a little more... Discrete?
 

Viper1j

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-Yeah the fucking President of the fucking US is gonna be in the general pop with Pedro and Dale.

Dude is gonna be in the functional equivalent of house arrest in the Warden's suite at worst.

Interactions with him can absolutely be limited.
In case you haven't been keeping up with current events, the Supreme Court has ruled that indefinite solitary confinement constitutes cruel and unusual punishment.
 

Indus

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Trump could sing a song to his greatness:

I am the one,
The outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony
My servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant
Clandestine and vain
Seven years and counting of misery
Of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount
Paranoia the law
My name is Donald Trump
Sadistic, sacred whore
I twist the truth, I rule the world
My crown is called deceit
I am the emperor of lies
You grovel at my feet
I rob you and I slaughter you
Your downfall is my gain
And still you play the sycophant
And revel in my pain
And all my promises are lies
All my love is hate
I am the politician
And I decide your fate
I march before a martyred world
An army for the fight
I speak of great heroic days
Of victory and might
I hold a banner drenched in blood
I urge you to be brave
I lead you to your destiny
I lead you to your grave
Your bones will build my palace
Your eyes will stud my crown
For I am Donald Trump, the God of war
And I will cut you down
 

fskimospy

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There’s some weird industry where people invent ways where Trump won’t go to prison. It’s basically the same industry where they invent new reasons for liberals to feel angst.

Liberals, just shut the fuck up and live in the real world.
 

nakedfrog

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Okay, let's paint a picture.

Trump is facing (fill in the blank) years in (fill in the blank) prison. And he says: "if you send me there I will tell every convict, every top-secret document I have ever read, I will speak about every top-secret meeting I have had."

Now, if that kind of threat doesn't warrant a disappearance, I don't know what does. The only thing off the table is, letting him walk.
LOL, you think he has the kind of data retention that would allow him to recall any actual usable TS info? If he's speaking off the cuff, you can be sure there's a minimum of truthful, usable information in what spews forth from his burgerhole.
 

Perknose

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There’s some weird industry where people invent ways where Trump won’t go to prison. It’s basically the same industry where they invent new reasons for liberals to feel angst.

Liberals, just shut the fuck up and live in the real world.
The "real world" has not been especially kind to us lately. Or ever. ;)
 

cytg111

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The only disappearing we should do is ignoring him. Otherwise Im not sure what youre saying. What do you mean by disappear?
Alien abduction obviously, duh, you always this dense?

Galactic Federation, if you're listing, if you could do the orange fat-ball next, that would be great.
 
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cytg111

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There’s some weird industry where people invent ways where Trump won’t go to prison. It’s basically the same industry where they invent new reasons for liberals to feel angst.

Liberals, just shut the fuck up and live in the real world.
You remember that guy here that went 100% balls deep on Russia not invading Ukraine no matter what... until it happened? Only advice I can give you is dont deal in absolutes.
 

fskimospy

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You remember that guy here that went 100% balls deep on Russia not invading Ukraine no matter what... until it happened? Only advice I can give you is dont deal in absolutes.
Ha, I remember that very clearly. He spent a lot of time telling us how dumb and naive we were and how we were victims of propaganda.

Oops.
 
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fskimospy

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You remember that guy here that went 100% balls deep on Russia not invading Ukraine no matter what... until it happened? Only advice I can give you is dont deal in absolutes.
Trump might make a plea deal but they specifically charged him on documents they could bring to trial so the rest seems unlikely to me.