Should we implement country wide facial recognition like China?

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Mai72

Mai72

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The upside is by having camers everywhere it could keep us safer, and could make our lives easier. We would be always connected.. The downside is the government would know EVERYTHING about you, and privacy would probably be comprimised.


The threat of 5G. In this video Gen. Robert Spalding talks about how we are going to be able to do actions like order an Uber without even using our phones. The camera picks up our face, speech and orders the Uber. Because of 5G and facial recognition no phone needed. Pretty cool IMO.

 
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s0me0nesmind1

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Tough choice.

I mean, how many people do we have that have warrants out for their arrest that we just can't find? How many illegals could we easily find with these cameras?

I can honestly say I'm not in favor of government intrusion of that sort....



BUT... This much is true: If our government doesn't do it - then our economy will do it. The market will develop that shit so that they can collect data on you - determine who you are, what brands of clothes you wear, etc.. etc..
 
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Mai72

Mai72

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s0me0nesmind1 said:
Tough choice.

I mean, how many people do we have that have warrants out for their arrest that we just can't find? How many illegals could we easily find with these cameras?

I can honestly say I'm not in favor of government intrusion of that sort....



BUT... This much is true: If our government doesn't do it - then our economy will do it. The market will develop that shit so that they can collect data on you - determine who you are, what brands of clothes you wear, etc.. etc..
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True, well unless Congress is forced to step in and outlaw that type of behavior. That would probably only happen if there is enough noise from the general populace.
 
Red Squirrel

Red Squirrel

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Absolutely not. Any amount of security or safety is not worth giving up our privacy. Unfortunately it's inevitable and it will most likely happen. The mass surveillance program as is now is already too invasive and they'll only keep adding to it.

Pretty soon we'll see people getting arrested left and right just based on their behavior and their criminal status will be detected via an AI that looks at all this data. They'll try to predict your probability of doing crime and arrest you before you do the crime it thinks you're about to do.
 
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Mai72

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Red Squirrel said:
Absolutely not. Any amount of security or safety is not worth giving up our privacy. Unfortunately it's inevitable and it will most likely happen. The mass surveillance program as is now is already too invasive and they'll only keep adding to it.

Pretty soon we'll see people getting arrested left and right just based on their behavior and their criminal status will be detected via an AI that looks at all this data. They'll try to predict your probability of doing crime and arrest you before you do the crime it thinks you're about to do.
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Yea, and once we go down the rabbit hole there is no turning back. :oops::oops::oops:
 
IronWing

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Nope, I think government should have to get a warrant and demonstrate probable cause for any surveillance cameras, period. Take them down, take them all down. Traffic cameras? Nope, take them down. Surveillance of public spaces by private entities? Sue them into the dirt. We need a privacy amendment to the Constitution in the worst way.
 
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s0me0nesmind1

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IronWing said:
Nope, I think government should have to get a warrant and demonstrate probable cause for any surveillance cameras, period. Take them down, take them all down. Traffic cameras? Nope, take them down. Surveillance of public spaces by private entities? Sue them into the dirt. We need a privacy amendment to the Constitution in the worst way.
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Is it any different than the news media reporting on you ? The argument is that you're in public and people have a right to record in public.

If you have a warrant you are already guilty - people are just attempting to not be found. So what's wrong with cameras that can identify people that are walking around in public and then run through a database of people with warrants out for their arrest?

I mean christ, if were arresting people based on genetic blood tests then I can definitely say this isn't exactly crossing much of a line that hasn't already.


(Not saying I agree with this entirely - just playing a half-devil's advocate)
 
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s0me0nesmind1 said:
Is it any different than the news media reporting on you ? The argument is that you're in public and people have a right to record in public.

If you have a warrant you are already guilty - people are just attempting to not be found. So what's wrong with cameras that can identify people that are walking around in public and then run through a database of people with warrants out for their arrest?

I mean christ, if were arresting people based on genetic blood tests then I can definitely say this isn't exactly crossing much of a line that hasn't already.


(Not saying I agree with this entirely - just playing a half-devil's advocate)
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The problem with the "public" argument is it isn't just one person taking your picture for whatever reason. It's hundreds of cameras filming, correlating your movements, and storing it in a database for a time approaching infinity. The government will know more about you than your wife does.
 
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s0me0nesmind1

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lxskllr said:
The problem with the "public" argument is it isn't just one person taking your picture for whatever reason. It's hundreds of cameras filming, correlating your movements, and storing it in a database for a time approaching infinity. The government will know more about you than your wife does.
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Crap I gotta stop going to that male strip joint....


For extra side income....
 
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Horrible idea...and yet it might be inevitable.

Given how much of one's life and business is now conducted on-line, we are already pretty much under near-constant surveillance. One can only hope that nobody is bothering to put it all together (because most of us aren't remotely important enough for it to be worth the effort). But ISPs here are obliged to log every user's internet activity and keep records of it for years, just in case the state wants to look at it. And the snooping and logging by the likes of Google and Facebook are no secret.

There are so many things I don't like about the way the world is going. I hate, for example, how dependent I have become on large corporations who control bits of the internet. I don't even use Facebook, but vast amounts of my life is conducted via email accounts that the usual big corporations control, and it's almost impossible now to function without that service. Then there's the way that when buying most things now it just comes down to 'ebay or Amazon'. Or how many goods are now provided as 'internet services' that can be withdrawn at any time.

I remember first using the internet in the early '90s, and don't think I'd have been happy to realise how dependent on it I would eventually become. I really don't like how it's becoming an expectation and necessity that we all be constantly interconnected, with big corporations and the state controlling the things we are connected to.

Invention is the mother of necessity. They invent things then it quickly becomes compulsory to use them.

(I actually remember the time when a majority of UK adults didn't even have a bank-account, and in my parents youth most didn't even have a landline phone.)
 
Midwayman

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Absolutely not unless you want to live in dystopian nightmare. Unfortunately the elite are playing fear on both sides to make this happen. Disarmament, and control. Great for those in power who want to make sure they're the only ones ever in power.
 
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Scarpozzi

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That software is flawed! People of other ethnicities and from other countries all look alike.

Hell, half the time when I'm at bars, I have trouble telling who is and isn't my wife and she's not even latino like all the women on that side of town.
 
Ichinisan

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It's always about safety. I'll take that as my own responsibility. We give up far too much by expecting our government to keep us safe from ourselves and others.

Keep me safe from international threats that might otherwise impede my freedom in this "free" country. That's all I ask of my government.
 
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How will this make us safer? Maybe in the same way that standing in a line at the airport and taking your shoes off makes us safer...

Coming back from Thanksgiving, I was behind a very old woman in a wheelchair with obvious back pain. The TSA agents made her get up, walk to the body scanner, and stand up (which she could barely do) with her arms up (which she couldn't do without wincing). Yeah, she's the one who's going to hijack a plane. :rolleyes:
 
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HomerJS

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These facial recognition systems mis-identify people of color at a greater rate then white people which is why I'm sure conservatives will rush to implement
 
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