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Should we give this guy a chance? (new hire)

master_shake_ said:
if he's qualified and able to do the work why not hire him?

seems like a no brainer.
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Well, because he is doing this "own IT business out of the house" thing, I don't have a boss to call and verify he's able to do the work. So, in other words, do I just hope that he's been doing it competently on his own all this time because he says he is?
 
Looking for someone with two years' experience in IT at $10/hr is probably going to be tough. I was at 57k after 22 months -- might want to take what you can get!

If you don't hire him, send him to me...we'll pay over $40k/yr. 😛
 
DS9VOY said:
Well, because he is doing this "own IT business out of the house" thing, I don't have a boss to call and verify he's able to do the work. So, in other words, do I just hope that he's been doing it competently on his own all this time because he says he is?
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Isn't that what interviews are for?
 
DS9VOY said:
Well, because he is doing this "own IT business out of the house" thing, I don't have a boss to call and verify he's able to do the work. So, in other words, do I just hope that he's been doing it competently on his own all this time because he says he is?
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don't you have probation period?

if he can't cut it then he's let go?
 
$10 / hr for someone with a bachelors degree, certs, and experience? lol, i can make that at mcdonalds with no degrre, no experience..AND eat all the chicken nuggets when no one is looking.

raise your pay and qualified people will apply.
 
DS9VOY said:
People who either have degrees in IT or have experience working for companies. I'm not super comfortable with this running your own business on the side thing. At the same time, it is an entry level job doing some pretty basic stuff.... but I also don't want to be stuck with someone who is clueless either that HR won't let us fire, and it just kind of seems to me that if you've just been doing IT work on your own and never had any professional experience, you really can't be all that knowledgeable. The exception being if he had an IT related degree.

So, anyway, should we give this guy a shot? Anyone else have any experience with hiring someone with this guys background? Did it turn out good or bad? Would you hold out for someone who has an IT degree or professional corporate experience? I'm going to let HR know what I think Monday. Obviously, I am going to make my own decision on this, but I'd like to see if anyone has any similar experience with someone like this.
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For $10 an hour? Seriously? He could make more money at McDonalds in all honesty. When I worked at Staples back in college (10 years ago now?), our "lead tech" was making $13 an hour. The fact that he has has A+, Network+, Security+ and MCDST/MCP/MTA certifications is pretty impressive; I've been in IT for 10 years, have zero certifications, and haven't even finished community college yet - I'm on year 15 of my 2-year degree (no joke) :awe:

I mean, without overtime, he's only going to be making about $20k a year (before taxes). I don't know how competitive jobs are in your area, but that's like poverty line just about anywhere. So from that perspective, how much do you really want for the money? On the flip side, he's showing an interest in the job by doing an interview, and also has the certifications, so it sounds like a pretty good bet if he seems like he would fit in.

The biggest issue I've seen is getting DIY'ers to fit into corporate culture. I made that transition myself...I fixed up people's computers in college as a side job & eventually got into it professionally. I was all about build-your-own servers, Linux, and all that stuff. Working 70 hours a week and having to worry about little things like "uptime" made me change my tune pretty quickly. The biggest thing is having written procedures of "this is how we do things", everything from how you interface with the users to how you handle disaster recovery

My in-house corporate IT procedure book is a zillion pages long & has taken like five years to flesh out, but 95% of the stuff I do is now procedural, so I can be more efficient & not have to sit there & figure things out every time or forget the details of doing X or Y setup. So if you guys don't have official policy for him to follow, now would be a good time to start writing that stuff out. That's probably the biggest foreseeable issue that I can see.

If you don't let him have hands-on stuff to the really important stuff (i.e. full network domain admin rights & whatnot), then you'll stand less of a chance of having to explain to your CEO & CFO why the new hire with no college degree screwed something up big-time. Embarrassment is a very real part of the corporate experience because it can lead to you getting fired because you made a bad hiring decision, so I understand where you're coming from. That's a little bit of the reason why I haven't hired an assistant for myself yet...so many ways for them to screw things up & for it to come back to haunt me.

But he sounds like a pretty safe bet, as long as you think he's trainable (and not super dug into his own approach theories), and if you have some kind of clear in-house methodologies for him to follow so he's not constantly getting berated for doing things wrong that aren't clearly expressed anywhere for him to follow.
 
10/hr for 2 years experience in IT? I don't know where you are, but anywhere I've been you would be lucky to get a kid who took a computer course in HS for the cheap.

I would honestly question how desperate this guy is for a job that he's considering 10/hr.
 
Belegost said:
10/hr for 2 years experience in IT? I don't know where you are, but anywhere I've been you would be lucky to get a kid who took a computer course in HS for the cheap.

I would honestly question how desperate this guy is for a job that he's considering 10/hr.
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This. Even Walmart pays $9/hr for skilless positions
 
Sounds like more than you could possibly hope for at the offered rate. I'd certainly go for it as long as he wasn't BSing.
 
Anyone willing to take that job at that pay is going to have problems that prevent him from taking a similar job making a lot more. If he's not a complete 100% fuckup he'll be gone in 2 weeks and you'll be back to square one. And if he is a big enough fuckup to take such a shitty job then you're going to fire him in 2 weeks and you'll be back to square one. Either way, it's not going to end well for you, you'll just be wasting money and time training somebody who is not going to have the job for long enough to be worth even that tiny investment.
 
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You're being this picky for $10? It's like one of those 300lb girls on a dating site looking for a supermodel boyfriend with a Porsche.
 
Honestly, I think as a company you need to re-evaluate what you're looking for in this position:

A) A $10/hour entry-level employee, no certs or degrees, maybe some background in tech, willing to learn the job.

B) An IT professional with 2 years experience, certs or degrees preferred, and paying at least 75% higher than 10/hr, depending on where you are located.
 
Christ, for that pay I'd be happy if he could tie his shoes. Feel bad for the guy if he's that desperate.

Hope this is just a troll.
 
master_shake_ said:
if he's qualified and able to do the work why not hire him?

seems like a no brainer.
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Belegost said:
Honestly, I think as a company you need to re-evaluate what you're looking for in this position:

A) A $10/hour entry-level employee, no certs or degrees, maybe some background in tech, willing to learn the job.

B) An IT professional with 2 years experience, certs or degrees preferred, and paying at least 75% higher than 10/hr, depending on where you are located.
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C) Lead software designer at Google willing to work for shiny buttons.
 
Guys, the job only requires a high school diploma and two years experience. NO degree/certs/etc are required. That is why the pay is that low. It is for an assistant to help out. This guy just happens to have degrees, but they are not IT related. It's not my fault he didn't major in the field he wanted to work in.

If someone in this job shows potential, they can easily move up to a higher position.
 
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It should be no experience needed. Two years is way to much for what you are asking, even a high school diploma is almost to much.
Maybe two years of experience or a high school diploma, but definitely not both.

Someone with potential, that hasn't had a string of bad luck, isn't even going to consider such an offer.

In truth that sounds like a summer position I had between finishing high school and starting college. It's even at the same pay.
 
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So I take it that you're going to hire him? Kaido gave the best advice. I'd like his post if i could.
 
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