Should we give this guy a chance? (new hire)

[GrumpyMan]

Doesn't Starbucks pay $12 to $15? I would rather sling coffee grinds or work at Walmart than work for a cheap ass company that balks his credentials for $10. Corporations these days such so much ass.

 

[Tweak155]

Range should be more like $15-$20hr prob.

 

[DS9VOY]

Look guys, I can see why some of you have been unemployed so long. The rate HR is offering is $10. Of course the guy can negotiate just like any job, and HR would be willing to go as high as around $15 for the job. When you are an employer, you offer low and the candidate negotiates for more. That's how it works.

The fact is, the job will be supervised by someone with the skills of tier 1 help desk person at best. The job is below that and entails setting up PCs in offices, installing software, doing some basic troubleshooting, etc.

You guys keep brining up McDonalds and Starbucks paying $10/hour. Look, if a PhD who used to run an entire Google datacenter comes in and applies for this job, he is still getting the same pay range. Why? Because the scope of his job won't exceed anything beyond what I just listed. If a bonafide medical doctor decides to stop practicing medicine and applies to be a burger flipper at McDonalds, is he going to get paid $300,000 a year to do so? No, because he is going to be flipping burgers not conducting surgery in the McDonalds.

This IT job is the IT equivalent to a McDonalds burger flipper. It is also not unusual to ask for some experience just so we know you are not going to do something stupid and bring down the entire corporate network. Would it be strange in other industries to ask for experience? Is it strange for a warehouse worker job to want experience running a forklift? Is it strange for a sales associate job to want sales experience? Is it strange for for a janitor job to want janitorial experience? No. If we were hiring for this job with only a high school diploma and *no* experience, the job would probably be minimum wage.

THIS is why I am nervous about hiring people who "run their own IT business".... because they think they are entitled to come off the street applying for a job below tier 1 help desk level that needs a high school diploma and make 100K starting. The entitlement mentality is strong.... and I am guessing there are a ton of millennials on this forum who think they should be making $20/hour flipping burgers because they are just that special.

 

[purbeast0]

Look guys, I can see why some of you have been unemployed so long. The rate HR is offering is $10. Of course the guy can negotiate just like any job, and HR would be willing to go as high as around $15 for the job. When you are an employer, you offer low and the candidate negotiates for more. That's how it works.

The fact is, the job will be supervised by someone with the skills of tier 1 help desk person at best. The job is below that and entails setting up PCs in offices, installing software, doing some basic troubleshooting, etc.

You guys keep brining up McDonalds and Starbucks paying $10/hour. Look, if a PhD who used to run an entire Google datacenter comes in and applies for this job, he is still getting the same pay range. Why? Because the scope of his job won't exceed anything beyond what I just listed. If a bonafide medical doctor decides to stop practicing medicine and applies to be a burger flipper at McDonalds, is he going to get paid $300,000 a year to do so? No, because he is going to be flipping burgers not conducting surgery in the McDonalds.

This IT job is the IT equivalent to a McDonalds burger flipper. It is also not unusual to ask for some experience just so we know you are not going to do something stupid and bring down the entire corporate network. Would it be strange in other industries to ask for experience? Is it strange for a warehouse worker job to want experience running a forklift? Is it strange for a sales associate job to want sales experience? Is it strange for for a janitor job to want janitorial experience? No. If we were hiring for this job with only a high school diploma and *no* experience, the job would probably be minimum wage.

THIS is why I am nervous about hiring people who "run their own IT business".... because they think they are entitled to come off the street applying for a job below tier 1 help desk level that needs a high school diploma and make 100K starting. The entitlement mentality is strong.... and I am guessing there are a ton of millennials on this forum who think they should be making $20/hour flipping burgers because they are just that special.

your company is out of touch with the real market, which is why you are having people walk away and not having people take the job seriously. i made about $10/hr when i was 14 working at a grocery store bagging groceries. i made $5.25/hr + tips, which would pretty much average out to about $10/hr.

oh, and i haven't been unemployed since i was 14 years old. i'm now 33 and working in the tech industry as a software engineer for the past decade+, so i know a thing or two about being employeed, especially in the tech industry.

 

[lxskllr]

This IT job is the IT equivalent to a McDonalds burger flipper. It is also not unusual to ask for some experience just so we know you are not going to do something stupid and bring down the entire corporate network.

Someone with the power to bring down a whole network has more responsibility than $10 pays for ;^)

 

[futurefields]

$10 an hour for an IT job with bachelors degree lmao

 

[phucheneh]

Look guys, I can see why some of you have been unemployed so long. The rate HR is offering is $10. Of course the guy can negotiate just like any job, and HR would be willing to go as high as around $15 for the job. When you are an employer, you offer low and the candidate negotiates for more. That's how it works.

That's only how it works if your company is a pile of shit.

 

[DS9VOY]

your company is out of touch with the real market, which is why you are having people walk away and not having people take the job seriously. i made about $10/hr when i was 14 working at a grocery store bagging groceries. i made $5.25/hr + tips, which would pretty much average out to about $10/hr.

oh, and i haven't been unemployed since i was 14 years old. i'm now 33 and working in the tech industry as a software engineer for the past decade+, so i know a thing or two about being employeed, especially in the tech industry.

And I take it you also live on the west or east coast? Grocery baggers here make $7.25/hour - minimum wage.... and that's only because the feds require it. Unemployment here is about 3%, so there are not an abundance of job seekers.

 

[DS9VOY]

$10 an hour for an IT job with bachelors degree lmao

<facepalm> The job requires a high school diploma. The guy just happens to have a bachelor's degree in a social science. Is it my fault he majored in a social science? It's not a major with particularly high demand.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Look guys, I can see why some of you have been unemployed so long. The rate HR is offering is $10. Of course the guy can negotiate just like any job, and HR would be willing to go as high as around $15 for the job. When you are an employer, you offer low and the candidate negotiates for more. That's how it works.

Just as often, it's not negotiable or there's only a small amount of wiggle room. NOBODY expects the ability to negotiate for 50% more than they're being told, particularly at the entry level. At the entry level, the candidate has very little leverage. You tell someone that that a job they're interviewing for pays below the poverty level and you're lucky you don't get smacked.

 

[DS9VOY]

Just as often, it's not negotiable or there's only a small amount of wiggle room. NOBODY expects the ability to negotiate for 50% more than they're being told, particularly at the entry level. At the entry level, the candidate has very little leverage. You tell someone that that a job they're interviewing for pays below the poverty level and you're lucky you don't get smacked.

Well, that's probably a good thing. We want to hire people with confidence in themselves. If someone isn't confident about the job they are applying for, that's a red flag. If they know they are capable of more, they will ask for it. Otherwise, at best, it shows a character flaw of not being assertive... and at worst, it shows the candidate isn't confident in their abilities... and thus it's probably best they walk either way.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Ok. It's clear now. You you need to toss this unqualified candidate and go back and post the job opening again on the bulletin board at the grocery store. Maybe sweeten the pot a little, and start offering $10.25/hour.

 

[SparkyJJO]

To be quite blunt dude if I saw the position posted at $10 an hour I wouldn't even bother unless I was desperate. Advertising ridiculously low just tells the job seekers that you're cheapskates that don't care or want to get away with the absolute minimum, and pay raises of any sort are going to be minimal.

 

[DS9VOY]

To be quite blunt dude if I saw the position posted at $10 an hour I wouldn't even bother unless I was desperate. Advertising ridiculously low just tells the job seekers that you're cheapskates that don't care or want to get away with the absolute minimum, and pay raises of any sort are going to be minimal.

We don't list the pay or talk about it until an offer is made. At that point, HR makes an offer on pay and the candidate is free to make a counter offer....

When I was hired, I was offered 45K. I negotiated up to 75K.

I'm starting to think there may be some teens on this forum who have never had a job before (outside of retail or food service) and don't seem to know how this works.....

 

[RockinZ28]

Well maybe that's the problem. $10 is an insult, I'd walk. Not even worth negotiating. At those levels I wouldn't even expect to be able to, that's a take it or leave it wage. Don't like it, we'll hire the next monkey that comes through the door.


Had 7 different jobs that paid over $10/hr to start when I was aged 17-25. Required zero experience, don't even think a HS diploma was required either.

 

[lxskllr]

We don't list the pay or talk about it until an offer is made. At that point, HR makes an offer on pay and the candidate is free to make a counter offer....

When I was hired, I was offered 45K. I negotiated up to 75K.

I'm starting to think there may be some teens on this forum who have never had a job before (outside of retail or food service) and don't seem to know how this works.....

I'm starting to think there's a liar creating posts, and doesn't seem to know how this works...

A 65% 60% increase over advertisement :^D

 

[DS9VOY]

Had 7 different jobs that paid over $10/hr to start when I was aged 17-25. Required zero experience, don't even think a HS diploma was required either.

Again, I take it you live on the west or east coast? Come to a southern state. This is the level wages are down here. Maybe we should pay a New York City COLA when rent for a two bedroom nice apartment is $500?

 

[DS9VOY]

A 65% increase over advertisement :^D

Yup, that's right. A lot of people on this forum seem to have a "I just take when I am offered" attitude. Once you get a job offer, you have them by the balls. You know at that point that you were the best they could find, so don't hesitate to squeeze a little.

Though, I have two degrees from a state university, one of them with honors, some nice experience, and a boat load of certifications at this point.... so that makes it a little easier.

 

[SparkyJJO]

We don't list the pay or talk about it until an offer is made. At that point, HR makes an offer on pay and the candidate is free to make a counter offer....

When I was hired, I was offered 45K. I negotiated up to 75K.

I'm starting to think there may be some teens on this forum who have never had a job before (outside of retail or food service) and don't seem to know how this works.....

A few yes I'm sure. But many of us have been in the workforce for years. 50% negotiation at hire? Especially in this economy most aren't going to assume they have anywhere near that wiggle room.

You set up these wacky expectations then wonder why you don't have many nibbles. People may not be as desperate as you think they are.

 

[schmuckley]

$10 / hr for someone with a bachelors degree, certs, and experience? lol, i can make that at mcdonalds with no degrre, no experience..AND eat all the chicken nuggets when no one is looking.

raise your pay and qualified people will apply.

LOL
:thumbsup:

$10/hr? Dude, you're getting an ex con. And he's gettin a Dell.

LOL ^This.

 

[BeeBoop]

What is the competition paying for the same position in your area? Are you not worried he will leave to a competing company after he gets a few months experience?

 

[chubbyfatazn]

Come to a southern state. This is the level wages are down here.

Is Texas a southern state? Must not be, according to what you said.

Using states as your separator isn't really fair anyway. I'll admit pretty much all my experience falls within the Triangle in Texas, but I still don't recall running into $10/hr barebones IT positions, even with no degrees/certs required.

What's the turnover rate for the position anyway? I can't imagine anyone staying for very long assuming the $10/hr base rate was kept before.

/hook 'em!

 

[DS9VOY]

A few yes I'm sure. But many of us have been in the workforce for years. 50% negotiation at hire? Especially in this economy most aren't going to assume they have anywhere near that wiggle room.

You set up these wacky expectations then wonder why you don't have many nibbles. People may not be as desperate as you think they are.

Here is how a typical conversation goes with HR at my company.

HR Rep: Congratulations, we are offering you X job. Are you still interested?
Job candidate: Yes
HR Rep: Ok, we are thinking $X/hour/annually. What do you think?
Job candidate: <enter response here>

Now, why in the hell would a normal person at this point NOT think that they are free to negotiate? Anyone who has even the most BASIC understanding of negotiation knows that one party always offers LOW and the counter offer is always HIGH. Here are the possible responses at this point:

Job candidate: Sure, sounds great. = you are a fool, apparently have never negotiated for anything in your life, don't know how negotiations work at even a basic level, and we should probably rescind the offer because you're an idiot. Car dealerships love you, for your own protection stay 20 miles away from all car dealerships at all times.

Job candidate: Hmmm maybe $12/hour = you played it safe. Too safe. You got burned because you ignored the basic rule of negotiation - start high.

Job candidate: Hmmm maybe $18/hour = great, you have a basic understanding of negotiating a wage. You will probably be talked down and settle at $15/hour. Not bad. Good negotiation skills.

Job candidate: Hmmm maybe $50/hour = Again, clueless about negotiation with this ridiculous ambit claim. (For those who never studied business in college, this is a term for a ridiculous absurd demand in a business negotiation) HR is probably going to cut you loose at this point.

I hope some of you learned some basic negotiation skills from this post.

 

[DS9VOY]

Is Texas a southern state? Must not be, according to what you said.


/hook 'em!

No, Texas is a northern state. Just about any statistic available indicates wages are much lower in the southern states as opposed to the west and east coasts, or even the northern states, and the costs of living vary drastically between these regions. This is a perfectly valid reason wage rates differ drastically across the country. You are not going to get a New York City salary in middle of no where Alabama. Why? Massive cost of living differences. Massive policy differences (i.e. state income tax vs no state income tax.) I think you've just about demonstrated your competence. Come back when you finish high school geography kid.

These people saying they made $15/hour sacking groceries undoubtedly live in San Francisco, New York City, etc.

 

[DS9VOY]

What is the competition paying for the same position in your area? Are you not worried he will leave to a competing company after he gets a few months experience?

There is definitely room for advancement and pay increases.