I am talking about fair share people. Here the unions can take your money without your permission from your paycheck for political purposes. Each year you have to jump through hoops to stop them too. For me it is around 20 to 30 dollars a month they they take from my paycheck if I don't file a yearly form in person with them to make them stop, within a short window.
Should unions be able to take money for political purposes from nonmembers?
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It doesn't seem proper on the surface. If my political views weren't in line with the unions I'd be very unhappy about being forced to contribute to their goals.
yep, and it took 2 years for me to be informed by a coworker that I could stop these deduction with a yearly letter that has to be hand delivered, containing all kinds of personal information too. Most fairshare employees are not aware they can stop these deductions.
IIRC, in the 70's or so some unions got caught up in some wing nutty stuff, like gay rights or radical environmentalism.
Not agreeing with some of their political contributions, don't mean I disagree with all of them.
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It should be an "opt in" situation when a union can use membership money for political lobbying.
The member could be sent letters occasional asking them if they'd like to contribute to bribing a Democrat politician for the good of the union leadership.
The member could be sent letters occasional asking them if they'd like to contribute to bribing a Democrat politician for the good of the union leadership.
Fern
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at the same time, political operations can benefit union members. LIke imagine steelworkers unions lobbying about WTO rules. That sounds reasonable, no?
Might seem obvious, but most states allow them to. Most states hae a complicated opt-out process, that must be done over and over again to stop them from taking your money without permission.
Fern
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Actually, I am surprised to hear of it.
I'm not in a profession that has unions and I live in a 'Right to Work' state (if I understand that term correctly).
Fern
The short answer is that Unions don't do that, provided the individual objects & fills out the paperwork. I question your numbers, however. Fee objectors in my local save a lousy $7/mo, and they're usually the ones who squeal loudest for their union rep when they screw up. Generally speaking, they're Libertopian idiots working a union job, somehow think they can square up their lives with their delusional belief system with an embrace of selfishness & stupidity. It's not like they're being held against their will... nor is the OP.
I shouldn't have to object every year, and I should have only a 30 day window to file my objection letter. Yes, you must hand deliver a letter EVERY year. The letter includes my SSN, my name, and my address.
Someone should not have to donate to political causes they don't support in order to worker somewhere.
FYI there is nothing informing you of your right to object. The union doesn't tell you, and the workplace is forbidden from informing you.
None of the people here who are fee objectors are Right Wingers, None of them are Republicans, None of them are Libertarians. They are just people who do not agree with all of the political things that you union gives money too.
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Yawn. Either it's worth your time & effort to file the paperwork, or it's not. They already have your name, address & SS# for pension purposes. Dunno about your state, but in Colorado employers are not prohibited from informing employees wrt becoming a fee objector- mine has done so every time there's threat of a strike.
Like I said, you're free to choose other employment if it means that much to you, but it probably won't pay as well for the same work, nor have the same benefits.
We all would like to have it both ways, but that's usually not the way it is. Wherever you work, other than for yourself, there will be rules & conditions you may not find optimal. Deal with it.
Well that's a dumb response.
But yes, at a minimum a single letter delivery should opt you out for the length of your employment.
Question--
Do you benefit from the Union negotiated contract? If yes, then I understand fair share, as you are clearly benefiting from the union-you relationship. If no, then not so much.
Do you benefit from the Union negotiated contract? If yes, then I understand fair share, as you are clearly benefiting from the union-you relationship. If no, then not so much.
Sad that you cannot see what is wrong with not allowing people to opt-out one time, not over and over again, like we are forced to.Exactly, I shouldn't be forced to take time off work to hand deliver a letter each and every year.
How would you like if your employer decided he was going to deduct $30 a month from your paycheck to give to the GOP.
I agree, it's also ~$350 a year you don't get for no good reason. I don't know about you guys, but I can have a lot of fun with $350.
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