Should There Be a Recall Election in Wisconsin?

[Steeplerot]

They had a recall election here in CA for a lot less of a good reason, sounds like a plan.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

But you'd agree that saying that he campaigned on it to be a lie, yeah?

What do you think we should we do with elected politicians who campaigned on "lies"?

 

[FDF12389]

What you guys are still failing to understand is, this is OUR state. From what I see and hear everyday in THIS STATE, the people want this. The past five years WI residents have been building hate towards WI state employees. Yes you see the thousands of people in Madison protesting, that by no means has any bearing on public opinion.


Poll after poll done by our local papers all have been seeing higher percentage of Wisconsinites want this. The mobs in Madison, while it is a large amount of people, isn't even 2% of the voting population. The squeakiest wheel isn't going to get greased this time around, and the majority HERE are fine with that.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yes, by all means use Rasmussan, I prefer the average of all polls here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Because Democracy Reports isn't agenda driven.

Don't like Rasmussan?

OK, let's check Gallop.

Obama's Approval Rating on Deficit Sinks to New Low

Egypt ranks among issues on which Obama is best rated

by Lydia Saad
PRINCETON, NJ -- President Barack Obama's approval rating for handling the federal budget deficit has gone from bad to worse in recent months, even as his ratings on all other major national issues have generally held steady. Currently, 27% of Americans approve of Obama on the deficit, down from 32% in November, while 68% disapprove.

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Overall, Obama is doing much better on international issues than domestic ones. Among eight issues on which Obama was rated in the new poll, Americans give the president the highest approval ratings on foreign affairs and the situations in Egypt and Afghanistan. The deficit, the economy, and taxes rank among his lowest ratings, alongside healthcare policy.
The survey was conducted Feb. 2-5, as the Obama administration was stepping up pressure on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to make a decision about continuing to lead his country in light of mass protests calling for his immediate resignation -- protests with which Americans generally sympathize. The relatively small percentage disapproving of Obama on Egypt (32%) makes his overall net approval on that issue the highest of any issue tested, at +15 percentage points.

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Healthcare, the Economy Spark Greatest Political Polarization
Democrats' disapproval on the deficit is a key reason Obama does worst on that issue. It is the only issue on which fewer than 6 in 10 Democrats approve of his performance. By contrast, about three-quarters of Democrats approve of Obama's handling of healthcare and foreign affairs.
Varying degrees of political polarization are seen in Obama's issues ratings. Democrats and Republicans show the most widespread disagreement about his handling of healthcare policy and the economy -- with roughly 60-point gaps -- while they are closer in how they rate his handling of Egypt and Afghanistan.

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Independents are closer to Republicans than to Democrats on the two most polarizing issues -- healthcare and the economy. Independents come even closer to GOP views with respect to the federal budget and taxes, making these potential problem issues for Obama when it comes to garnering independents' support in the next election. However, on four other issues -- foreign affairs, energy policy, Egypt, and Afghanistan -- independents' views fall at about the midpoint between Republicans' and Democrats' views.
Bottom Line
President Obama has failed to build public support in recent months for his handling of major U.S. economic matters, despite a generally well-received State of the Union address in which he proposed a federal spending freeze to help put the brakes on deficit spending. His approval rating on the economy is no better than it was last fall, and his approval rating on the federal budget deficit -- a top issue for Republicans in Congress since the midterm elections -- is even worse. His broadest support on the issues comes on foreign policy matters, most notably the situation in Egypt, but even on these, his approval ratings register just below 50%.

Oh boy the Dems love him, and the Reps hate him, but know what? We independents don't bite either.

Let's have a recall. YAY!


Or better how about people get a grip and stop calling for these things when whatever doesn't suit their agenda.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

They had a recall election here in CA for a lot less of a good reason, sounds like a plan.

Like I said, try that with Obama looking at the Rep AND independent voter sentiments. He'd be out and that would make u mad.

 

[Jaskalas]

Guess "We The People" hasn't seen the Gallup poll on collective bargining.

Between Dems, Independents, and Repubs, Only Repubs want them taken away. Not a majority of Americans by any stretch you're imagination can conjure up.

What about the people of Wisconsin?

 

[Jaskalas]

They had a recall election here in CA for a lot less of a good reason, sounds like a plan.

We recalled the governor for bankrupting the state. Lot of good that did. It changed absolutely NOTHING.

 

[Illusio]

Recall the governor for what? Nothing he is doing is illegal. He needs the legislative branch to vote any of these polices into law. Just because you don't like what he's doing doesn't' mean he shouldn't have the job.
Recall elections should be used on politicians who clearly aren't doing their job. Like IL's last few governors. Or the senators who are fleeing from the state.

 

[soundforbjt]

What you guys are still failing to understand is, this is OUR state. From what I see and hear everyday in THIS STATE, the people want this. The past five years WI residents have been building hate towards WI state employees. Yes you see the thousands of people in Madison protesting, that by no means has any bearing on public opinion.


Poll after poll done by our local papers all have been seeing higher percentage of Wisconsinites want this. The mobs in Madison, while it is a large amount of people, isn't even 2% of the voting population. The squeakiest wheel isn't going to get greased this time around, and the majority HERE are fine with that.

Wednesday's poll results: Do you regret your vote for Wisconsin governor?
Yes. I wish I had voted for Scott Walker: 91 votes
Yes. I wish I hadn't voted for Scott Walekr: 325 votes
No. I voted for Scott Walker: 723 votes
No. I didn't vote for Scott Walker: 732 votes
I didn't vote in this election: 160 votes

Copyright 2011 lacrossetribune.com.

[qoute=River Falls Journal]
If you were a Wisconsin legislator, how would you vote today regarding the proposed budget-repair bill?


Results: 49 Votes Yes, pass it.

(44.1%)

62 -No, don't pass it.

(55.9%)

[/quote]

Another link on local polling:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/116744394.html

They don't agree with you that the people of WI want this.

 

[soundforbjt]

What about the people of Wisconsin?

See above post.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Recall the governor for what? Nothing he is doing is illegal. He needs the legislative branch to vote any of these polices into law. Just because you don't like what he's doing doesn't' mean he shouldn't have the job.
Recall elections should be used on politicians who clearly aren't doing their job. Like IL's last few governors. Or the senators who are fleeing from the state.

Hi, you must be new here. In P&N discussions mostly involve things like "Well what about YOUR guy" when theirs is caught cheating/stealing/lying etc.

Rule 1. Never admit your guys do anything wrong. Divert.

When something is done one doesn't agree with, commence with whiny stupid suggestions you'd expect to hear from a 7 year old. "Oh he's so wrong. We need to get rid of him. Maybe we can have a recall."

Rule 2. Whine, whine, whine. Pout, then whine. Be outraged, then whine. Do your best impression of a toddler having a fit and ignore things like you posted, like the fact that there's no legal basis for a recall.

Stick with it, you'll see the pattern.

 

[Jiggz]

I think there should be. There is no way that people would have voted for Walker as Governor if they knew what he was going to to.

There's already an existing recall law except it cannot be initiated until one year after his or her inauguration. As for your reasons of not knowing, that is very subjective because he did promise and was a major part of his platform during the election.

 

[tk149]

Groups officially begin recall process for seven lawmakers

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In addition, a Utah group, American Recall Coalition, has registered electronically to set up recall committees against Wirch and five other Senate Democrats...

The only Democratic senator who is not currently the subject of a recall bid is Spencer Coggs of Milwaukee.

The groups need about 16,000 signatures to force a recall election for a senator, Magney said. The exact number will vary from 11,000 to 21,000 signatures, he said, depending on how many votes were cast in the 2010 governor's race in the targeted district.

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Democrats and labor unions are also weighing whether to recall up to six Senate Republicans for supporting Walker's plan.

In addition, Magney said a group has formed a political action fund to collect donations to support a recall election for Walker. But an official recall effort could not start until Walker, who took office last month, has served in the Capitol for at least a year

WTF Utah?

 

[Darwin333]

This is how such things work. In this country, workers organizing so they weren't powerless, each getting screwed and 'expendable', used to be a crime punished violently.

When workers got that right, it provided some balance to the owners' power and the middle class thrived, both those in unions, and not in unions benefitting from unions.

Unions are under attack for two reasons, one because the lower workers' incomes, the richer the rich are - in terms of short-term gains in percent of income and wealth.

Second, because the party of the rich, pursuing power for its base, wants to cut off the funding for Democrats.

The way these work is:

When unions are powerful and attacking them politically costly: Republicans pay lip service to them, while secretly looking for any way to harm them.

When unions are less powerful: Republicans increase the attacks and propaganda against Unions to make them less powerful.

When unions become a shadow of their earlier number and the Republican propaganda has made them a pariah among may voters: go for the kill. End 'collective bargaining'.

That's the stage Republicans think they're at. If it works, the middle class, already so weakened by right-wing policies that have redistributed huge amounts of the wealth from the middle class to the top 0.1%, will be even more gutted, largely reverting policies back to the gilded era before FDR if not before the 20th century - at the very time American workers face unprecedented competition from the global poor - a competition wanted by the rich who WANT to drag America's workers down in income.

Too bad for society, when the pie shrinks - the rich will own a bigger and bigger share.

That's the battle - the American middle class, versus a broken, poor, American oligarchy.

This has nothing to do with the good of the people or the fiscal health of government, and everything to do with Republicans pursuing monopoly power and restributing wealth.

Who exactly are the "rich" that will benefit from paying state workers less in the form of benefits?

And wasn't even FDR against public unions?

 

[Craig234]

What you guys are still failing to understand is, this is OUR state. From what I see and hear everyday in THIS STATE, the people want this. The past five years WI residents have been building hate towards WI state employees. Yes you see the thousands of people in Madison protesting, that by no means has any bearing on public opinion.


Poll after poll done by our local papers all have been seeing higher percentage of Wisconsinites want this. The mobs in Madison, while it is a large amount of people, isn't even 2% of the voting population. The squeakiest wheel isn't going to get greased this time around, and the majority HERE are fine with that.

The people of Wisconsin are for the CUTS to compensation, not the elimination of collective bargaining. See the poll I listed. You're being about as reliable as Spidey.

 

[Craig234]

Who exactly are the "rich" that will benefit from paying state workers less in the form of benefits?

You really want me to define who the rich are?

The less the rest of the people in society have, the greater the share the rich have.

In the longer term this is counter-productive as the size of the pie is reduced, but in the shorter term the rich gain a larger share of the pie.

And wasn't even FDR against public unions?

Yes, he was. That's a larger topic, but for one thing, there have been enormous changes benefitting the rich and changing our political system for the worse that can change that.

FDR didn't have a Washington with 36,000 lobbyists, a right-wing propaganda industry, a return to the huge concnetration of wealth he was reducing, etc.

He also didn't want the Pentagon to be a permanent center for the military. OK with that?

Are you willing to support his call for a second, economic bill of rights for Americans?

 

[soundforbjt]

Yes, he was. That's a larger topic, but for one thing, there have been enormous changes benefitting the rich and changing our political system for the worse that can change that.

FDR didn't have a Washington with 36,000 lobbyists, a right-wing propaganda industry, a return to the huge concnetration of wealth he was reducing, etc.

He also didn't want the Pentagon to be a permanent center for the military. OK with that?

Are you willing to support his call for a second, economic bill of rights for Americans?

Shhhh! They only like FDR when he's against something they are.

 

[rudder]

What you guys are still failing to understand is, this is OUR state. From what I see and hear everyday in THIS STATE, the people want this. The past five years WI residents have been building hate towards WI state employees. Yes you see the thousands of people in Madison protesting, that by no means has any bearing on public opinion.


Poll after poll done by our local papers all have been seeing higher percentage of Wisconsinites want this. The mobs in Madison, while it is a large amount of people, isn't even 2% of the voting population. The squeakiest wheel isn't going to get greased this time around, and the majority HERE are fine with that.

The squeakiest wheel is the Wisconsin Education Association Council... if this bill passed they will not be able to rape taxpayers for overpriced health insurance policies for school districts.

Glad to see someone from WI chiming in. These unions are money making machines so they have to make a lot of noise.

 

[Vic Vega]

I think there should be. There is no way that people would have voted for Walker as Governor if they knew what he was going to to.

Do you live there?

 

[kage69]

If I were a Wisconsinite, I would be demanding a recall election. The governor clearly takes his marching orders from the Koch Bros and is defying the will of the majority. Bought in full puppets like Walter should be purged from politics, no matter the party.

Yet again the GOP has proven itself to be the tool of a small group of powerful interests. Conservative voters have more right to be outraged then those they consider their opponents.

 

[soundforbjt]

See post #59 for some of local Wisconsin's views.

 

[rudder]

The people of Wisconsin are for the CUTS to compensation, not the elimination of collective bargaining. See the poll I listed. You're being about as reliable as Spidey.

the people of WI are being help hostage by the unions. For example, a lot of school districts in WI would like to opt out of having to pay premium prices for healthcare policies that are sold BY THE UNION! At the moment it is difficult.

It is a big money making machine and making some people very rich at the expense of the WI taxpayer. The union leaders are not ideologists...they care only about the bottom line. This is their racket.

 

[Craig234]

Shhhh! They only like FDR when he's against something they are.

Reminds me of their desparate attempts to claim JFK was really on their side, too; he was for a TAX CUT! (Unmentioned, from 91% to 70% top rate).

 

[Steeplerot]

He'd be out and that would make u mad.

I do not get mad at the bumbling Democratic Party.

What else would I expect from the petite bourgeois corporatist "liberal" party that masquerades as leftist in this country? Very few Dems I would consider comrades on the peoples side. Just happens to be less then the GOP (who have none in power at the moment)

I wrote in the WSUPS in 2008 being a Lefty Libertarian. I rarely vote Dem. (I voted for Kerry out of protest of Bush -my only time voting for either of the big corpdemolican parties)

I have come to reject the "liberal" traditional radical opposition to the (usually Republican) incumbent presidents (e.g., anti-Nixonism, anti-Reaganism, or anti-Bushism) the enemy of the working class is the entire exploitative social system based on ownership of the means of the production, not the presidents elected to run that system efficiently, as such opposition fosters the illusion of "better presidents" rather than an understanding of, and opposition to, the entire economic system based on an owning minority employing a non-owning majority to produce its profits.

 

[OCGuy]

I do not get mad at the bumbling Democratic Party.

What else would I expect from the petite bourgeois corporatist "liberal" party that masquerades as leftist in this country? Very few Dems I would consider comrades on the peoples side. Just happens to be less then the GOP (who have none in power at the moment)

I wrote in the WSUPS in 2008 being a Lefty Libertarian. I rarely vote Dem. (I voted for Kerry out of protest of Bush -my only time voting for either of the big corpdemolican parties)

I have come to reject the "liberal" traditional radical opposition to the (usually Republican) incumbent presidents (e.g., anti-Nixonism, anti-Reaganism, or anti-Bushism) the enemy of the working class is the entire exploitative social system based on ownership of the means of the production, not the presidents elected to run that system efficiently, as such opposition fosters the illusion of "better presidents" rather than an understanding of, and opposition to, the entire economic system based on an owning minority employing a non-owning majority to produce its profits.

Have you ever thought of living in a country that is in line with your economic and social views?