Should There Be a Recall Election in Wisconsin?

[Phokus]

Since his wife is a state employee, that would give him more credibility that his view is unbiased. Go phok yourself.

LOL, hardly, he wants OTHER state employees to take pay cuts and go unemployed, but i'm sure he will defend his wife's 6 figure public servant paycheck to the death. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

 

[Craig234]

More on the polling showing the people of Wisconsion oppose the governor:

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/22/news/la-pn-wisconsin-union-20110223

Yes, there should be a recall, for his saying he considered 'introducing troublemakers among the protestors'; as well as for his stealth, radical disastrous agenda.

He's crossed the line on having a hidden anti-public agenda. This isn't some new issue that arose in his term - he's been governor for weeks and clearly planned this secretly.

 

[Fear No Evil]

So what if a recall happens and he is re-elected? Then is he free to pass any bill he wants? Or do we recall him after every unpopular decision he makes?

Watching the radical left become unhinged is supremely entertaining. I just hope the Gov has adequate protection for him and his family.

 

[Fear No Evil]

More on the polling showing the people of Wisconsion oppose the governor:

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/22/news/la-pn-wisconsin-union-20110223

Yes, there should be a recall, for his saying he considered 'introducing troublemakers among the protestors'; as well as for his stealth, radical disastrous agenda.

He's crossed the line on having a hidden anti-public agenda. This isn't some new issue that arose in his term - he's been governor for weeks and clearly planned this secretly.

I don't remember Obama running on continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, keeping Gitmo open, and running up the debt by trillions of dollars. Should we recall him as well?

 

[Craig234]

This is how such things work. In this country, workers organizing so they weren't powerless, each getting screwed and 'expendable', used to be a crime punished violently.

When workers got that right, it provided some balance to the owners' power and the middle class thrived, both those in unions, and not in unions benefitting from unions.

Unions are under attack for two reasons, one because the lower workers' incomes, the richer the rich are - in terms of short-term gains in percent of income and wealth.

Second, because the party of the rich, pursuing power for its base, wants to cut off the funding for Democrats.

The way these work is:

When unions are powerful and attacking them politically costly: Republicans pay lip service to them, while secretly looking for any way to harm them.

When unions are less powerful: Republicans increase the attacks and propaganda against Unions to make them less powerful.

When unions become a shadow of their earlier number and the Republican propaganda has made them a pariah among may voters: go for the kill. End 'collective bargaining'.

That's the stage Republicans think they're at. If it works, the middle class, already so weakened by right-wing policies that have redistributed huge amounts of the wealth from the middle class to the top 0.1%, will be even more gutted, largely reverting policies back to the gilded era before FDR if not before the 20th century - at the very time American workers face unprecedented competition from the global poor - a competition wanted by the rich who WANT to drag America's workers down in income.

Too bad for society, when the pie shrinks - the rich will own a bigger and bigger share.

That's the battle - the American middle class, versus a broken, poor, American oligarchy.

This has nothing to do with the good of the people or the fiscal health of government, and everything to do with Republicans pursuing monopoly power and restributing wealth.

 

[xj0hnx]

I don't remember Obama running on continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, keeping Gitmo open, and running up the debt by trillions of dollars. Should we recall him as well?

Duh, of course not, Craig likes Bush II, er, sorry Obama.

 

[spidey07]

LOL, hardly, he wants OTHER state employees to take pay cuts and go unemployed, but i'm sure he will defend his wife's 6 figure public servant paycheck to the death. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

I'd be perfectly fine with her having to contribute some to her awesome pension and health insurance if she could be assured to keep it (read sustainable). The benefits are out of this world good.

We've got it all planed out. She has something like 100 days vacation banked up so when she retire in less than 10 years she's going to "cash in" all those days so her salary is much higher than normal (which is what her pension pay is based on, last two years salary), assuring that her full salary pension has us set for life, should be over 200k a year by then. Sweetness.

 

[ShawnD1]

I don't remember Obama running on continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, keeping Gitmo open, and running up the debt by trillions of dollars. Should we recall him as well?

Yes.


It's fairly typical for that to happen in other countries. It's called a "motion of no confidence"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_of_no_confidence

In Canada, it happened as recently as 2005
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_defeated_by_votes_of_no_confidence#Canada

After the Gomery findings, NDP leader Jack Layton notified the Liberals of conditions for the NDP's continued support, one of which included a ban on private health care. Martin turned down the offer, as well as rejecting an opposition proposal schedule an election for February 2006, in return for passing several pieces of legislation.[26] The Conservatives, supported by the other two opposition parties (the NDP and Bloc Québécois), introduced a motion of non confidence against the Martin government. The motion passed on November 28 by a count of 171–133, defeating the government, after which the Governor General issued the election writs for a vote to be held on January 23, 2006.

When was the last time that happened in the US? Never? Well then carry on with your crazy policies since nobody can stop you now! :awe:

 

[OCGuy]

Time to start firing state employees if they can't come to a vote. The budget doesn't balance itself.

 

[boomerang]

I think there should be. There is no way that people would have voted for Walker as Governor if they knew what he was going to to.

Ah, the thought processes of the "everyone's a winner" generation.

 

[matt0611]

All of the wages in poor countries are on the rise, thanks to capitalism, they have continually gotten better off. If china stopped manipulating their currency it would rise even faster. Unions are not needed for increases in wages and living standards.

We especially don't need this public sector unions draining the taxpayer. They should get market wages like anyone else. Especially since our public school system is a fucking joke.
Also, theres no such "right" to collectively bargain.

You can't recall the governor for a year anyway. So thats not happening.

 

[rudder]

I think there should be. There is no way that people would have voted for Walker as Governor if they knew what he was going to to.

I would gather to bet the unionized state employees are a very small voting block. The people who elected him are the ones paying the unionized state employees' salaries.

 

[tk149]

It's hurting his overall approval rating. Read This:

http://my.firedoglake.com/sjgulitti/2011/02/22/scott-walker’s-plummeting-poll-numbers/

"Walker’s favorability ratings are underwater in the poll, with 49 percent saying they have an unfavorable impression of the governor and only 39 percent saying their impression of him was favorable"

From your link:

according to a new poll taken by the Democratic firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner and sponsored by the AFL-CIO,

Yup, that's a nice neutral organization with no interest in the outcome. :awe:

I would be fully willing to support a recall of my state representatives, Senate Minority Leader Mark Miller (D) and Representative Joe Parisi (D) for their unconscionable act of running away.

 

[soundforbjt]

I'd be perfectly fine with her having to contribute some to her awesome pension and health insurance if she could be assured to keep it (read sustainable). The benefits are out of this world good.

We've got it all planed out. She has something like 100 days vacation banked up so when she retire in less than 10 years she's going to "cash in" all those days so her salary is much higher than normal (which is what her pension pay is based on, last two years salary), assuring that her full salary pension has us set for life, should be over 200k a year by then. Sweetness.

Maybe someone will vote to remove that pension before she gets a chance to use it.

 

[WHAMPOM]

I'd be perfectly fine with her having to contribute some to her awesome pension and health insurance if she could be assured to keep it (read sustainable). The benefits are out of this world good.

We've got it all planed out. She has something like 100 days vacation banked up so when she retire in less than 10 years she's going to "cash in" all those days so her salary is much higher than normal (which is what her pension pay is based on, last two years salary), assuring that her full salary pension has us set for life, should be over 200k a year by then. Sweetness.

And you would be all right with your state cancelling all her perks to balance their budget? Do you forget all the private pension funds looted by the corporations?

 

[spidey07]

Maybe someone will vote to remove that pension before she gets a chance to use it.

Can't by contract. That's what asking them to contribute a little more to their pensions would do, make it sustainable and still keep the great pension. Which is why I have ZERO reservations about her contributing more if she can keep it.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Can't by contract. That's what asking them to contribute a little more to their pensions would do, make it sustainable and still keep the great pension. Which is why I have ZERO reservations about her contributing more if she can keep it.

Exactly. This is what the left either is too stupid to understand or are just outright lying about. Walker CAN'T take away the previously agreed to pensions. All he can do is force current employees to pay more for it. Currently they pay ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING for it. So the Taxpayers of the State of Wisconsin are paying 100% of these benefits for these workers. Asking them to contribute 5% seems completely reasonable compared to private pensions/retirement plans.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's hurting his overall approval rating. Read This:

http://my.firedoglake.com/sjgulitti/2011/02/22/scott-walker’s-plummeting-poll-numbers/

"Walker’s favorability ratings are underwater in the poll, with 49 percent saying they have an unfavorable impression of the governor and only 39 percent saying their impression of him was favorable"

Let's have a recall. After all his approval rating is low.

We'll have it the same day as we do for this guy.

 

[her209]

You're kidding, right? They voted him in because it was a big part of his platform. He's doing what he said he was going to do. And remember he won pretty handily.

FALSE

From the PolitFact website: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says he campaigned on his budget repair plan, including curtailing collective bargaining

"I campaigned on (the proposals in the budget repair bill for Wisconsin) all throughout the election. Anybody who says they are shocked on this has been asleep for the past two years." --Scott Walker

Truth-o-meter: FALSE

 

[rudder]

Exactly. This is what the left either is too stupid to understand or are just outright lying about. Walker CAN'T take away the previously agreed to pensions. All he can do is force current employees to pay more for it. Currently they pay ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING for it. So the Taxpayers of the State of Wisconsin are paying 100% of these benefits for these workers. Asking them to contribute 5% seems completely reasonable compared to private pensions/retirement plans.

Lesson to everyone. When politicians give people things for free, it cannot be undone. Tennessee offers healthcare insurance (tenncare) to people who cannot afford it or to people with preexisting conditions. The program grew out of control and would have consumed 1/3rd of the state's budget if left alone.

One of the original plans to save money was to make these people pay a copay when the had a doctors visit or emergency room visit... you know like everyone else. The governor wanted a limit on prescriptions since the average Tenncare user had something like 11 prescriptions. All attempts to scale back in this manner failed. the people were given something for free and they did not want to give any of it back. The governor instead kicked a lot of people off the program (after a court fight) as the only solution.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

FALSE

From the PolitFact website: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says he campaigned on his budget repair plan, including curtailing collective bargaining

"I campaigned on (the proposals in the budget repair bill for Wisconsin) all throughout the election. Anybody who says they are shocked on this has been asleep for the past two years." --Scott Walker

Truth-o-meter: FALSE

There's a lot of dumb in how things are being handled, but I'm perfectly prepared to accept that Walker is doing some things he didn't say, but when did that become a shocker? We can find a lot of things promised in campaigns that didn't happen, and a lot which did but weren't brought up.

I can do it for Bush, I can do it for Obama. The real point of this thread is "This guy is doing things I don't like. Can we recall him?" Well hells bells, look at Obama's ratings. If the criteria is unpopularity on a given policy or overall, then you will find few remain in office their entire terms.

This is a "Sour Grapes" thread. I have to deal with crap I don't like and so do you, but I haven't called for a recall of anyone and I don't believe you have either.

 

[CPA]

Yes, there needs to be a recall vote: those sniveling coward democrats fleeing the state should indeed be recalled. The governor on the other hand is doing a great job. If only we had more like him all around the country.

This. OP your rage is directed at the wrong people.

 

[her209]

There's a lot of dumb in how things are being handled, but I'm perfectly prepared to accept that Walker is doing some things he didn't say, but when did that become a shocker? We can find a lot of things promised in campaigns that didn't happen, and a lot which did but weren't brought up.

I can do it for Bush, I can do it for Obama. The real point of this thread is "This guy is doing things I don't like. Can we recall him?" Well hells bells, look at Obama's ratings. If the criteria is unpopularity on a given policy or overall, then you will find few remain in office their entire terms.

This is a "Sour Grapes" thread. I have to deal with crap I don't like and so do you, but I haven't called for a recall of anyone and I don't believe you have either.

But you'd agree that saying that he campaigned on it to be a lie, yeah?

 

[Uhtrinity]

Elections have consequences, he's only doing what the people put him in office to do. Get over it, you lost and now We The People, the tax payers are going to CRUSH unions all across the nation.

No, You the people promised to fix the economy. Not shift us towards third world status. This whole Wisconsin thing is (admittingly) to make a Reagan like stand against unions. It does little else in helping fix the economy and balance budgets.

 

[soundforbjt]

Let's have a recall. After all his approval rating is low.

We'll have it the same day as we do for this guy.

Yes, by all means use Rasmussan, I prefer the average of all polls here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html