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Should there be a percentage limit to what top corporate execs are allowed to earn?

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Problem:
I've read a bunch of complaints lately along the lines of, "CEOs make millions while their hard-working employees starve." Since no solution was pitched (surprise surprise), I thought I'd give it a whirl.


Solution:
Let's say that tomorrow, all of the world's governments decide to put a cap on what a top executive earns based on what the lowest salary in the company is. A 10x multiplier, for instance.


Advantages:
- The lifestyle of corporate executives and front-line employees are more similiar. An exec may own a bigger house, but only one house as opposed to five. Class envy diminishes.

- Better working relations between management and staff. It's possibly easier to engage in frank discussions with your CEO in the bathroom regarding the company's main product when he really doesn't make that much more than you do.

- The ability of executives to load up and lead the stock market with junk transactions is diminished as they have less capital to work with.

- More emphasis on the greater marketplace to appeal to the middle-class instead of pockets of the population at the top and bottom.


Disadvantages:
- Upwards fiscal mobility isn't really increased. That mobility is defined by your ability, not your pay; ability comes before pay.

- Diminished drive to excel. If I'm not really making that much more money, I may not wish to work as hard. Maybe I'll just reach $150k and call it a day. Now my wonder invention, the toaster that also gives blowjobs, will never see the light of day. :Q


Take for granted that:
- One, this is a global 'law', so if America throws in a cap, European countries can't immediately offer more and steal top execs away.
- Two, adjustments for inflation are done as necessary.


Alternative solutions:
Other than the status quo, you tell me.
 
Tough one to say really. A lot of the compensation execs get is from stock options. I guess if they manage to pull in a larger profit, increase wealth, and increase stock value for the owners of the company(stock holders) then you should see them cash in.

Many people seem to think companies are bound to show loyalty to dedicated employees. What people forget is companies are formed to make money and generate wealth for the owners. Not be an entitlement program for the employees.

If the employees feel they arent being fairly compensated then go find another job. The market is in good condition for such a move right now.

In the end my feeling is let the market decide the price of the going CEO. Life isnt fair and if you dislike the CEO making 20x more than you go find a place that suits your needs better.

Putting a govt regulation on it will only lead to problems. We all know when govt gets involved everything goes to hell.

 
I don't think I'd unilaterally cap compensation, and I certainly wouldn't do it as low as 10x. How about increasing the income tax rate on "excessive" compensation? (They already do this on some fringe benefits.) For example, an extra 10% income tax on every standard deviation above the median salary. That way, the sky's still the limit, but the more you leave your hard-working employees behind, the less personal benefit you receive. This could also apply to all officers, or even all employees, not just the C-level folks.
 
Just make sure these people pay their damn taxes, and try to keep to cronyism to almost nil.

Then the playing field is evened a bit. If you have a goal to make mad cash your whole life then so be it.

But for some it seems pointless seing all the other worthy pursuits in life.
 
interesting idea but another bad side is that it would make outsourcing the lowest paying jobs to other companies even better.. for the execs
 
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I don't think I'd unilaterally cap compensation, and I certainly wouldn't do it as low as 10x. How about increasing the income tax rate on "excessive" compensation? (They already do this on some fringe benefits.) For example, an extra 10% income tax on every standard deviation above the median salary. That way, the sky's still the limit, but the more you leave your hard-working employees behind, the less personal benefit you receive. This could also apply to all officers, or even all employees, not just the C-level folks.
Just wondering if Sully is going to revisit his thread.
 
No. This is bad economics. That said, I think some of these execs' being compensated so much is often bad business. I just don't buy that these managers are so valuable. I think it's stupidity of the people involved in choosing the CEOs and the interpersonal powers of the CEOs that puff up a value that isn't really there.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
The pay of the CEO should be determined by the shareholders, not you or some crappy government.

True. I say let the market decide. Some of you seem to think that being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy due to your jealousy. I'm quite sure that being responsible for large corporations is stressful and demanding in ways you've never drempt about. But hey, keep up the class envy...

CsG
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: zendari
The pay of the CEO should be determined by the shareholders, not you or some crappy government.

True. I say let the market decide. Some of you seem to think that being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy due to your jealousy. I'm quite sure that being responsible for large corporations is stressful and demanding in ways you've never drempt about. But hey, keep up the class envy...

CsG
I think that's another straw man. Can you show us who thinks "being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy"?


edit: typo
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Some of you seem to think that being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy due to your jealousy.
CsG

What a nice emotional argument. :roll:

Class envy work better for you?

CsG

No. That's emotional too. How about you actually talk about the underlying economics you claim to respect so much?
 
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: zendari
The pay of the CEO should be determined by the shareholders, not you or some crappy government.

True. I say let the market decide. Some of you seem to think that being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy due to your jealousy. I'm quite sure that being responsible for large corporations is stressful and demanding in ways you've never drempt about. But hey, keep up the class envy...

CsG
I think that's anpther straw man. Can you show us who thinks "being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy"?

Lets see, maybe the ones who keep whining about CEO pay? Also, my statement was "some of you seem to think..." But hey, do what you have to do to whine...

CsG
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: zendari
The pay of the CEO should be determined by the shareholders, not you or some crappy government.

True. I say let the market decide. Some of you seem to think that being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy due to your jealousy. I'm quite sure that being responsible for large corporations is stressful and demanding in ways you've never drempt about. But hey, keep up the class envy...

CsG
I think that's anpther straw man. Can you show us who thinks "being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy"?
Lets see, maybe the ones who keep whining about CEO pay? Also, my statement was "some of you seem to think..." But hey, do what you have to do to whine...

CsG
In other words, no, you cannot back up your argument. Go figure.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
How about you actually talk about the underlying economics you claim to respect so much?
I did, you ignored it. I agreed with a different posted and then proceeded to say that the Market should decide. Now if you had a clue what "let the market decide" meant you'd know that it means they get paid the what people(corporations, etc) are willing/able to pay.

...I didn't realize you didn't understand what letting the market decide meant. Maybe I shouldn't assume you know stuff from now on. I'll spell everything out...just for you...:roll:

CsG
 
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: zendari
The pay of the CEO should be determined by the shareholders, not you or some crappy government.

True. I say let the market decide. Some of you seem to think that being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy due to your jealousy. I'm quite sure that being responsible for large corporations is stressful and demanding in ways you've never drempt about. But hey, keep up the class envy...

CsG
I think that's anpther straw man. Can you show us who thinks "being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy"?
Lets see, maybe the ones who keep whining about CEO pay? Also, my statement was "some of you seem to think..." But hey, do what you have to do to whine...

CsG
In other words, no, you cannot back up your argument. Go figure.

Yes I can and did. "some of you seem to think" This can be reached by reading the fits posted by people here about CEO pay on an almost daily basis. Ofcourse some of it runs into "the rich are eval" rants but there is plenty out there.

CsG
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: zendari
The pay of the CEO should be determined by the shareholders, not you or some crappy government.
True. I say let the market decide. Some of you seem to think that being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy due to your jealousy. I'm quite sure that being responsible for large corporations is stressful and demanding in ways you've never drempt about. But hey, keep up the class envy...

CsG
I think that's anpther straw man. Can you show us who thinks "being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy"?
Lets see, maybe the ones who keep whining about CEO pay? Also, my statement was "some of you seem to think..." But hey, do what you have to do to whine...

CsG
In other words, no, you cannot back up your argument. Go figure.

Yes I can and did. "some of you seem to think" This can be reached by reading the fits posted by people here about CEO pay on an almost daily basis. Ofcourse some of it runs into "the rich are eval" rants but there is plenty out there.

CsG
Never, ever, ever wrong about anything, you're quite the piece of work. In other threads, you constantly attack others for "ASSuming" and not having proof, but when it's you and your kin, you'll invent any ridiculous claim and assert it as fact. Believing CEOs are overpaid in no way, shape, or form implies a belief that ""being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy". That is a straw man. Period.

Either back up you claim or show the integrity to admit you're pulling stuff out of your rectum. I'm betting you'll do neither.
 
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: zendari
The pay of the CEO should be determined by the shareholders, not you or some crappy government.
True. I say let the market decide. Some of you seem to think that being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy due to your jealousy. I'm quite sure that being responsible for large corporations is stressful and demanding in ways you've never drempt about. But hey, keep up the class envy...

CsG
I think that's anpther straw man. Can you show us who thinks "being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy"?
Lets see, maybe the ones who keep whining about CEO pay? Also, my statement was "some of you seem to think..." But hey, do what you have to do to whine...

CsG
In other words, no, you cannot back up your argument. Go figure.

Yes I can and did. "some of you seem to think" This can be reached by reading the fits posted by people here about CEO pay on an almost daily basis. Ofcourse some of it runs into "the rich are eval" rants but there is plenty out there.

CsG
Never, ever, ever wrong about anything, you're quite the piece of work. In other threads, you constantly attack others for "ASSuming" and not having proof, but when it's you and your kin, you'll invent any ridiculous claim and assert it as fact. Believing CEOs are overpaid in no way, shape, or form implies a belief that ""being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy". That is a straw man. Period.

Either back up you claim or show the integrity to admit you're pulling stuff out of your rectum. I'm betting you'll do neither.

Some there
A couple there
And some here

Boy oh boy - it really isn't that hard now is it 😉 Gonna dance in the other thread? or are you going to provide some proof? 😉 :laugh: (sorry, I really couldn't help baiting you into this because of the other thread)
Oh, and those were all found with a quick little search.

CsG
 
It's very tempting, but overall I don't see any good coming from it.

Now if you gather a citizens alliance to 100% boycot and oppose any corporation where the tops make that kind of scratch...THAT would be a worthy fix. It just shouldn't be a random government rule to do it.
 
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
It's very tempting, but overall I don't see any good coming from it.

Now if you gather a citizens alliance to 100% boycot and oppose any corporation where the tops make that kind of scratch...THAT would be a worthy fix. It just shouldn't be a random government rule to do it.

Unless you hold a stake in the company, how is it any of your business what his salary is?

Your foolish boycott doesn't hurt the CEO, it hurts the everyday employees.
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Never, ever, ever wrong about anything, you're quite the piece of work. In other threads, you constantly attack others for "ASSuming" and not having proof, but when it's you and your kin, you'll invent any ridiculous claim and assert it as fact. Believing CEOs are overpaid in no way, shape, or form implies a belief that "being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy". That is a straw man. Period.

Either back up you claim or show the integrity to admit you're pulling stuff out of your rectum. I'm betting you'll do neither.

Some there
A couple there
And some here

Boy oh boy - it really isn't that hard now is it 😉 Gonna dance in the other thread? or are you going to provide some proof? 😉 :laugh: (sorry, I really couldn't help baiting you into this because of the other thread)
Oh, and those were all found with a quick little search.

CsG
No, it isn't that hard ... for you to blow smoke and post links you dishonestly suggest prove your point. Did you even read the threads Sir CAD, or did you just ASSume they must support you because you wanted it? While I saw plenty of comments about bad management and overpaid CEOs, I didn't see even one person claim "being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy". In fact, I didn't see even one person suggest being a CEO of any size corp was easy.

Ofcourse [sic] it's possible I missed one. How about you provide the actual quote. Either that, or admit you lied.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
It's very tempting, but overall I don't see any good coming from it.

Now if you gather a citizens alliance to 100% boycot and oppose any corporation where the tops make that kind of scratch...THAT would be a worthy fix. It just shouldn't be a random government rule to do it.

Unless you hold a stake in the company, how is it any of your business what his salary is?

Because generally speaking it's a TERRIBLE and dangerous trend. Not only in the general sense of it's coercion towards greed and materialism, but in the social decay caused by extreme gaps in socio-economic classes, as well as the specific drain in company funds that could be used to lower costs, research improvements or increase average worker wages/benefits.

Nothing would make the world better than teaching corporations that they have absolutely no power, control or influence whatsoever, and giving all that to the average man/woman instead...except of course the sudden and instant demise of Bush, the neocons, PNAC, fundamentalists and evangelicals of all types. But I digress.
 
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Never, ever, ever wrong about anything, you're quite the piece of work. In other threads, you constantly attack others for "ASSuming" and not having proof, but when it's you and your kin, you'll invent any ridiculous claim and assert it as fact. Believing CEOs are overpaid in no way, shape, or form implies a belief that "being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy". That is a straw man. Period.

Either back up you claim or show the integrity to admit you're pulling stuff out of your rectum. I'm betting you'll do neither.

Some there
A couple there
And some here

Boy oh boy - it really isn't that hard now is it 😉 Gonna dance in the other thread? or are you going to provide some proof? 😉 :laugh: (sorry, I really couldn't help baiting you into this because of the other thread)
Oh, and those were all found with a quick little search.

CsG
No, it isn't that hard ... for you to blow smoke and post links you dishonestly suggest prove your point. Did you even read the threads Sir CAD, or did you just ASSume they must support you because you wanted it? While I saw plenty of comments about bad management and overpaid CEOs, I didn't see even one person claim "being a CEO of a mega-corp is easy". In fact, I didn't see even one person suggest being a CEO of any size corp was easy.

Ofcourse [sic] it's possible I missed one. How about you provide the actual quote. Either that, or admit you lied.

:laugh: Ah yes, bowfinger now deciding they don't match my opinion so thus I have somehow "lied". Give it a rest bowfinger and go look for the evidence you are supposed to supply in the other thread. I have supplied 3 threads where people have posted things that make it seem like they think it's easy to be a CEO of a mega-corp.

Just for shiz and grins...
From the first link:
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
watching these crooks take more money per year for themselves that they earned in 20 - 30 years of real work.

Second:
Originally posted by: Sysbuilder05
GM's problems couldn't have anything to do with overpaid CEO that makes oh....$2,000 PER HOUR and some general mismanagement thown in. BTW... Wonder if the CEO got free healthcare and a retirement package? What did that cost per car??
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I really can't argue against your logic here. At the same time I'd like to point out that CEO's and most if not all of the upper echelons are also overpaid, only much more.
Originally posted by: MadRat
Just plain bad management if you ask me.
And don't forget Dave 😉

Third:
Originally posted by: Ferocious
Again the hard working American worker has to suffer from poor decisions and poor management of his superiors over the years.
Originally posted by: Ferocious
A lot of Harvard MBA grads could probably run that company into the ground just as easily without the BONUSES.

:|

But hey, lets continue to claim I "lied" :roll:

Run along little bowfinger- it's way past your bedtime...

CsG
 
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