Should the u.s unleash it's "mad dog"

[narcotic]

Originally posted by: azazyel
Dear DrCrap,

Thank you for the information. I was on the fence before but you have sealed the deal. Since as you have pointed out Israel is the superpower of the ME I agree that we should remove all aid from Israel and all other ME nations. I also agree now that we should start closing down all our bases in the ME. We will move them back to the US where we can actually start securing our boarders.

Nice knowing you!

US CITIZEN

meh.. Lucky for the Israeli's you don't call the shots around here.
Having read your posts, you're either trying to be cynical or you're an idiot which has a very shifty opinion, since you are/were anything but "on the fence".
Now, Mr. superbrain - I hope you don't mind me referring to you as that, since you obviously have got it all figured out, suppose we remove ourselves from the equation, and we tell M.E countries "you're on your own...", so Israel says, well without U.S support I can no longer guarantee superiority in the future, I better attack with all I got now, while I'm still on top, yada yada yada... all hell brakes loose - Israel nukes the crap outta everyone it can, every country in the world gets dragged into WWIII trying to restore peace, hundreds of millions casualties, and all thanks to a mastermind such as yourself.
You are pathetic. You have every right to disagree with me, but don't use stupid suggestions while doing so.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: narcotic
meh.. Lucky for the Israeli's you don't call the shots around here.
Having read your posts, you're either trying to be cynical or you're an idiot which has a very shifty opinion, since you are/were anything but "on the fence".
Now, Mr. superbrain - I hope you don't mind me referring to you as that, since you obviously have got it all figured out, suppose we remove ourselves from the equation, and we tell M.E countries "you're on your own...", so Israel says, well without U.S support I can no longer guarantee superiority in the future, I better attack with all I got now, while I'm still on top, yada yada yada... all hell brakes loose - Israel nukes the crap outta everyone it can, every country in the world gets dragged into WWIII trying to restore peace, hundreds of millions casualties, and all thanks to a mastermind such as yourself.
You are pathetic. You have every right to disagree with me, but don't use stupid suggestions while doing so.

Was that supposed to be an argument?

"so Israel says, well without U.S support I can no longer guarantee superiority in the future, I better attack with all I got now, while I'm still on top, yada yada yada"

Is that was Israel would do? Huh, do ya?

 

[narcotic]

Originally posted by: azazyel

Originally posted by: narcotic
meh.. Lucky for the Israeli's you don't call the shots around here.
Having read your posts, you're either trying to be cynical or you're an idiot which has a very shifty opinion, since you are/were anything but "on the fence".
Now, Mr. superbrain - I hope you don't mind me referring to you as that, since you obviously have got it all figured out, suppose we remove ourselves from the equation, and we tell M.E countries "you're on your own...", so Israel says, well without U.S support I can no longer guarantee superiority in the future, I better attack with all I got now, while I'm still on top, yada yada yada... all hell brakes loose - Israel nukes the crap outta everyone it can, every country in the world gets dragged into WWIII trying to restore peace, hundreds of millions casualties, and all thanks to a mastermind such as yourself.
You are pathetic. You have every right to disagree with me, but don't use stupid suggestions while doing so.

Was that supposed to be an argument?

"so Israel says, well without U.S support I can no longer guarantee superiority in the future, I better attack with all I got now, while I'm still on top, yada yada yada"

Is that was Israel would do? Huh, do ya?

Ah yeah... this thing is called a scenario. It's when you propose a fictional situation ("we should remove all aid from Israel and all other ME nations..."), then I reply with a fictional outcome.
Maybe then you should be asking yourself in your own words: is that what wewill do? "Huh, do ya?"
well?

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: narcotic
Ah yeah... this thing is called a scenario. It's when you propose a fictional situation ("we should remove all aid from Israel and all other ME nations..."), then I reply with a fictional outcome.
Maybe then you should be asking yourself in your own words: is that what wewill do? "Huh, do ya?"
well?

It's what I think we should do. I find it very unlikely that if we removed our military/financial presence from the ME that all war would break out. I'm not saying we wouldn't be able to come to their aid I just don't think we need a permanent presence there.

 

[narcotic]

It's been at least a couple of days since Iran has shown any hostility towards Israel, so Iran's genius president has come up with a new idea which only people with IQ like his can come up with.

Once again, I don't see why we are not taking those maniacs out ourselves, or give Israel the green light. We may think its not our problem, but you guys are forgetting, that Israel's annihilation is only a small part of Iran's plans, we are right next in line.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: narcotic
It's been at least a couple of days since Iran has shown any hostility towards Israel, so Iran's genius president has come up with a new idea which only people with IQ like his can come up with.

Once again, I don't see why we are not taking those maniacs out ourselves, or give Israel the green light. We may think its not our problem, but you guys are forgetting, that Israel's annihilation is only a small part of Iran's plans, we are right next in line.

lmao!

You sound like a pro-isreali fundamentalist spewing propoganda.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: narcotic

Originally posted by: Aimster
*Israel has 5-6 million citizens. If you think any of the Arabs of Israel will arm themselves to fight off other Arabs, lol.

*I said Israel cannot occupy a large Arab country. I never knew Israeli forces once occupied all of Egypt/Syria/Saudi Arabia/. Do you know much about your neighbors? The majority of people live in the capital city. The surrounding cities are nothing but villages. Nice job taking villages. Lebanon was not united. You do know they were fighting a bloody civil war for 25 years, right? Why are you bringing up wars that happened a long time ago before you were born? Even if you want to bring them up, Israel never occupied a large Arab country. The populations of those countries has more than doubled since then.

The only "country" Israel is good at controlling all of and that has actually controlled all of is Palestine. Unless you can prove me wrong go ahead and do so.

Egypt has a population of 77 Million and you are telling me a country with a population of 5 million has the force ready to occupy all of Egypt. Egypt has hundreds of thousands of troops yet you are telling me a country like Israel has the ability to occupy all of Egypt. I think not.

Egypt's population vs Lebanon's .. of around 3 million current.

Common Sense. Where is it?

You do know if Israel invaded Egypt you will have 70+ million pissed off people. That is why I brought up Iraq. You do not have 20-30 million pissed off Iraqis. You have a handful of Saudis who are pissed off and enter the country killing U.S forces as well as Iraqi forces. Imagine if Iraqis didn't want Saddam out and had nothing to gain by U.S forces entering Iraq. The situation would be much worse.

Dude, why do you insist? You obviously have no clue, why do you want to make yourself look like a fool?
You think its harder occupying a countries capital just because there are more CIVILIANS there?! Even you, should be able to understand how dumb that assumption is. CIVILIANS have no means of stopping armed forced who have no interest of sparing their lives.
Let me illustrate with a simple example, suppose you had a bad day in school, now you decide you're gonna go and kill everyone, you get yourself a M-16, you take a couple of clips, and you go to school where there are about 5000 students, you kill 15 of them, and then police comes and kills you. Now, given the fact that you're not a professional infantry soldier, and still managed to kill 15 people, think what if you're a pro, if your ammo is unlimited you kill at least 200-300 people before police comes. Now, suppose you had a tank at your disposal? you alone can wipe out everyone there, how about if you also have artillery and air strikes?
You see what I mean? Civilians don't stop armies.
I hope that explained you, why even a country small as Israel, once defeating the opposing army, can do whatever it wants with the 100,000,000,000,000+ CITIZENS of that country, btw at that point most countries will surrender, thus sparing the lives of its civilians.
You also keep mentioning UAE and Saudi as being "powerful" countries, which has nothing to do with reality, both of these countries do not pose any threat to any country in the region, let alone Israel.
M.E power balance as of today:
Israel >> Egypt > Iran > Syria >> Jordan > Saudi > Lebanon > UAE
Though Iran will probably overpower Egypt soon.

Uhm Civilians have arms. If any nation is invading another country the government arms the civilians and the civilians seek arms. What do you think happened in Iraq? The civilians were armed. The civilians didn't fight. They traded in their guns for money.

In order to occupy a country you do not sit in your tanks and park on the side of the street.

You keep talking as if you know what you are talking about. If any of those nations were a threat to Israel and Israel could easily take them out with no serious harm to them then why is Israel not doing anything?? 1) They are not a threat 2) Israel doesnt have the ability to occupy a 70 million+ country.

The U.S is much stronger than Israel.

Why did the U.S attack Iraq over Iran? Because the U.S has the ability but it would drain all military resources and the number of deaths would be too serious. Iran has always been a bigger threat than Iraq. This is common sense. Why didn't the U.S go into Iran when they had our hostages if they could so easily take out their forces and occupy a large country? Because it is not EASY.

Look at Russia and Afghanistan.
Russian troops got owned because civilians fought back.

 

[tooltime]

it may be a battle we would never win

 

[Proletariat]

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[azazyel]

Originally posted by: narcotic
It's been at least a couple of days since Iran has shown any hostility towards Israel, so Iran's genius president has come up with a new idea which only people with IQ like his can come up with.

Once again, I don't see why we are not taking those maniacs out ourselves, or give Israel the green light. We may think its not our problem, but you guys are forgetting, that Israel's annihilation is only a small part of Iran's plans, we are right next in line.

Wolfowitz, is that you?

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: azazyel

Originally posted by: narcotic
It's been at least a couple of days since Iran has shown any hostility towards Israel, so Iran's genius president has come up with a new idea which only people with IQ like his can come up with.

Once again, I don't see why we are not taking those maniacs out ourselves, or give Israel the green light. We may think its not our problem, but you guys are forgetting, that Israel's annihilation is only a small part of Iran's plans, we are right next in line.

Wolfowitz, is that you?

No, it's reality speaking.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: Meuge

No, it's reality speaking.

Reality, what that Iran is going to launch and invasion of the US? Or that the US needs to get into another war in which US interests are not served? Or that we are going to follow Wolfowitz's plan and invaid all of the ME countries?

 

[Meuge]

No one needs to invade the U.S.

The countries in question are already in shambles, which is why we have difficulties fighting them. We, on the other hand, have been blessed with a great economy, and a fairly successful society. The problem is, it's all built on a paper foundation. The more elaborate our style of living becomes, the easier it is to destroy. A couple of large-scale terrorist attacks could bring our markets down, and cause partial, if not total, breakdown of law and order.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: Meuge
No one needs to invade the U.S.

The countries in question are already in shambles, which is why we have difficulties fighting them. We, on the other hand, have been blessed with a great economy, and a fairly successful society. The problem is, it's all built on a paper foundation. The more elaborate our style of living becomes, the easier it is to destroy. A couple of large-scale terrorist attacks could bring our markets down, and cause partial, if not total, breakdown of law and order.

So invading another country is the answer? Also, Iran could do just as much damage to our economy if they started selling oil in Euros instead of US dollars.

 

[Meuge]

Well, halving our oil imports could disarm them... but you'd have to get past the BIG THREE lobby before we could do that.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: Meuge
Well, halving our oil imports could disarm them... but you'd have to get past the BIG THREE lobby before we could do that.

How would that help anything? Sanctions didn't do anything to help Iraq. OBL even used the sanctions against Iraq as a reason for his Jihad. Also do you really believe that Iran is going to launch an attack against Israel?

 

[Meuge]

Yes.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: Meuge
Yes.

Well I don't. IMO the recent out bursts from the Iranian president is just political grandstanding. Plus they are more likely going to be interested in subverting Iraq then doing anything with Israel.

"A preliminary list of winners and losers from our invasion seems to show that it is our enemies who have prospered and our friends who have suffered. As of today, the principal winner of the Iraq war is Iran.

While our invasion of Afghanistan smashed a Taliban regime hostile to Iran, our invasion of Iraq was even more beneficial. It brought down a Baathist regime that had inflicted hundreds of thousands of casualties on Iran in their 8-year war in the 1980s. In power in Baghdad today, in place of Saddam, is a Shia regime that looks to Iran as patron and ally.

In 2001, Iranians had demonstrated in support of the United States after 9-11, and in successive elections, a moderate presidential candidate had carried 70 percent of the vote. The Tehran mullahs were on the ropes.

But with Bush declaring Iran an "axis-of-evil" nation, which was to be denied, even if it meant preventive war, any nuclear program or weapon of mass destruction, Iranians responded as nationalists. A hard-liner won the presidency, and Tehran's defiance is now a popular policy. Meanwhile, the U.S. threat of military strikes to effect the nuclear castration of Iran becomes less and less credible the longer the war next door goes on.

With Iraq smashed and perhaps splintering after we depart, Tehran is set to fill the power vacuum. History may yet record that the U.S. Army did all the heavy lifting in the Persian Gulf to make Iran its pre-eminent power. "

http://www.theamericancause.org/a-pjb-051026-2000dead.htm

 

[filterxg]

you know when I read the title to this post I was thinking we invented some kind of Mad Dog disease. Make Iranians dogs go crazy. lol.

 

[narcotic]

Originally posted by: azazyel
Reality, what that Iran is going to launch and invasion of the US? Or that the US needs to get into another war in which US interests are not served? Or that we are going to follow Wolfowitz's plan and invaid all of the ME countries?

You are a nice and naive young man. Once again I suggest you do some more serious reading before you make up your mind about Iran being all good, and having no intention of ever harming us. Sometimes you have to go a little deeper to see the entire picture:
I suggest you read this carefully
and that...
oh, and don't forget this...
are we getting through yet?
and let's finish for now with some:
great respect to human right in Iran

KNOW YOUR ENEMY!

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: DrCrap
I read this thread, and I can't begin explaining how annoyed I get.
Let's set a couple of facts straight, first we are NOBODY's b!tch, the U.S is not going to "unleash" us because we are not on a fvcking leash, we act on our own.
Second, we are not "brutal" as OP suggested, we deal with threats with the exact amount of power we need to. We have no intention of harming innocent civilians of Iran (or any other country for that matter) as long as its not necessary.
Preemptive strike on Irani nuclear facilities, will be launched when needed with surgical precision, which means very little to no innocent casualties.
Unlike many arabs/arab fans in this forum try to picture Israel, we are a very responsible country, which knows how to restrain our power (unlike the americans sometime).
As an Israeli I'm having real hard time understanding why Iran is trying to provoke us. It is not a big secret we can vaporize them in a very short time when needed, so why fvck with us?
You want us to nuke you, so then you can go cry to the rest of the world telling how evil we are? I don't get that strategy...

Well its no big secret that the entire Middle East hates Israel and India.

India? WTF? Where'd you come up with that one? The only country that hates India is Pakistan, who happen to be their genetic brothers and sisters. Arabs are traditional allies of India and always have been. Why else do you think there are so many Indian ex-patriots living in Arab countries? Duh.

Anyway, if Iran was to be bombed by Israel, I can guarantee Pakistan wouldn't do anything about it and would probably cheer Israel on. Reason being that Iran has close ties with the Indian military and poses a threat not only to Pakistan but it's Arab neighbors as well. They are a large Shi'ite country that is viewed as an enemy by other Muslim Sunni nations. There is no such thing as Muslim unity (like there is Jewish unity) because it's made up of so many factions and ethnicities that have nothing in common with each other and in many cases, hate each other. It reminds me of the American Indians, they were being systematically wiped out but still hated each other.

BTW narcotic, the first two links you posted above are from garbage sources, at least use reputable sources if you want some form of crediblity in your posts.

 

[Noobtastic]

Israel has every right to do whatever they want.

They just gave up the West Bank, palastienians dont care...there still issueing out suicide cars.

Its like offering a florida to al-queda, they want everything...not just a little piece. Even when everything is taken, if the palastiens take it there going to branch off into there own little groups and have more civil war.

It was israels land in the first place, there there, we gave them some land, they still blow us up, I say f**k them.

There are 300 million arabs and 4 million jews, 100,000 IDF soldiers..who is gonna stand back and watch?

Its self f**king defense, you dont f**k with the best military in the world.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: Frackal
"Absoloutely NOT! American Policy should not be Israeli Policy. It's bad enough we send them hundreds of billions of dollars every year. If they have a problem then they should deal with it alone! I would side over with Iran over Israel ANYDAY just because 1. They stole the land that they occupy, and 2. They already posses nuclear weapons and NOBODY dares question them. "


ahahahahaaa

Your an idiot.

*checks definition of idiot*

Yes your an idiot.

 

[ta8218]

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Frackal
"Absoloutely NOT! American Policy should not be Israeli Policy. It's bad enough we send them hundreds of billions of dollars every year. If they have a problem then they should deal with it alone! I would side over with Iran over Israel ANYDAY just because 1. They stole the land that they occupy, and 2. They already posses nuclear weapons and NOBODY dares question them. "


ahahahahaaa

Your an idiot.

*checks definition of idiot*

Yes your an idiot.

Actually, "your" is possessive form. You should use the contraction of you are, or, you're. Check THAT definition. *points

Also, I seriously doubt Frackal wrote that.