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Should the Ten Commandments be removed?

Acts837

Golden Member
Chief Justice Moore has refused to remove a monument of the Ten Commandments from the Alabama State Supreme Court. The Chief Justice had the monument erected in 2001 fulfilling an election pledge.

US District Judge Myron Thompson ruled the monument violates the constitutions ban on government promotion of religion.

Chief Justice Moore has challenged this saying "They have the audacity to come into our court and say we have to remove the foundation of our law, which is the Ten Commandments.

This all seems to have stemmed from just three Alabama lawyers who say they were offended by the monument.

How do you vote?
 
Neal Boortz Boortz.com has written the best comment I have read about this so far:

"Chief Justice Roy Moore put that monument with the Ten Commandments on state property to, in his own words, acknowledge that the State of Alabama derives its legal code from God, from the Christian religion. Yesterday, in a piece written for The Wall Street Journal, Moore said that the federal judge who has ordered the monument's removal is "telling the state of Alabama that it may not acknowledge God." Which God, Mr. Moore? Allah? Buddha? Zeus? Most rational people know which God Moore is referring to. It's the God worshiped in the Christian Church. The Christian God who gave the Ten Commandments to Moses. Moore wants the State of Alabama to recognize this particular God, and that's why that monument was placed in the judicial building. Most rational people can see that this effectively, at least in Roy Moore's mind, establishes Christianity as the official religion of the State of Alabama .



Let's get on to the larger issue here.



What is it about some Christians in this country that drives them to try to push their religious beliefs into the fabric of our government? It's not just about the Ten Commandments in a government building; it's also about prayer in government schools.

The purpose of government is not to promote or even to recognize any religious belief. The purpose of government is to make sure that every citizen is allowed to pursue their religious faith freely and without either limitation, intimidation or coercion from any other person.



If you believe, as I do, that the Ten Commandments are divinely inspired then you are perfectly free to make as many copies as you desire and post them where you can see them virtually all day. Tape them to the walls in every room of your home and onto the dashboard of your car. Print them on a card in your wallet and, if your employer doesn't object (after all, it's his property, not yours) post them on your office wall. You can recite them when you get up in the morning, and again before you go to bed at night. Who knows? If you're pure and righteous enough, you may even bring yourself to live by them! You and you fellow church members are also free to have the Ten Commandments in every single room of your church. You can arrive at church an hour early every Sunday and just sit there and stare at them.



Why, then, is it so important for you to have them posted in a government building? Are you going to stop by the Alabama Judicial Building every day to gaze at the Ten Commandments? I dare say that most of the people who are supporting Roy Moore in Alabama never ventured down to that judicial building until this controversy erupted.



OK ... Now I'll answer my own question. I know why this is so important to you. It's the same reason why prayer in government schools is important. It's not for you, is it? You have your own Ten Commandments at home, and you make sure your kids pray at home too. It's for those other people, isn't it? It's for all of those people who don't get the same exposure to the Ten Commandments and to prayer that you do. You can't reach them in their homes. You can't force them to go to church. You can't take control of their car radio for a morning sermon. So ... get them when they walk into a government building! Get the children to pray in the government school, and put those Ten Commandments right there in the lobby of that government building where everybody who enters has to see them.



Now ... for those of you who don't believe that the real issue here is forcing others to recognize Christian dogma, just take a look at some of those signs people are waving behind Roy Moore the next time he steps up to a bank of microphones. That ought to convince you."

 
Originally posted by: ScoobMaster
Neal Boortz Boortz.com has written the best comment I have read about this so far:

"Chief Justice Roy Moore put that monument with the Ten Commandments on state property to, in his own words, acknowledge that the State of Alabama derives its legal code from God, from the Christian religion. Yesterday, in a piece written for The Wall Street Journal, Moore said that the federal judge who has ordered the monument's removal is "telling the state of Alabama that it may not acknowledge God." Which God, Mr. Moore? Allah? Buddha? Zeus? Most rational people know which God Moore is referring to. It's the God worshiped in the Christian Church. The Christian God who gave the Ten Commandments to Moses. Moore wants the State of Alabama to recognize this particular God, and that's why that monument was placed in the judicial building. Most rational people can see that this effectively, at least in Roy Moore's mind, establishes Christianity as the official religion of the State of Alabama .



Let's get on to the larger issue here.



What is it about some Christians in this country that drives them to try to push their religious beliefs into the fabric of our government? It's not just about the Ten Commandments in a government building; it's also about prayer in government schools.

The purpose of government is not to promote or even to recognize any religious belief. The purpose of government is to make sure that every citizen is allowed to pursue their religious faith freely and without either limitation, intimidation or coercion from any other person.



If you believe, as I do, that the Ten Commandments are divinely inspired then you are perfectly free to make as many copies as you desire and post them where you can see them virtually all day. Tape them to the walls in every room of your home and onto the dashboard of your car. Print them on a card in your wallet and, if your employer doesn't object (after all, it's his property, not yours) post them on your office wall. You can recite them when you get up in the morning, and again before you go to bed at night. Who knows? If you're pure and righteous enough, you may even bring yourself to live by them! You and you fellow church members are also free to have the Ten Commandments in every single room of your church. You can arrive at church an hour early every Sunday and just sit there and stare at them.



Why, then, is it so important for you to have them posted in a government building? Are you going to stop by the Alabama Judicial Building every day to gaze at the Ten Commandments? I dare say that most of the people who are supporting Roy Moore in Alabama never ventured down to that judicial building until this controversy erupted.



OK ... Now I'll answer my own question. I know why this is so important to you. It's the same reason why prayer in government schools is important. It's not for you, is it? You have your own Ten Commandments at home, and you make sure your kids pray at home too. It's for those other people, isn't it? It's for all of those people who don't get the same exposure to the Ten Commandments and to prayer that you do. You can't reach them in their homes. You can't force them to go to church. You can't take control of their car radio for a morning sermon. So ... get them when they walk into a government building! Get the children to pray in the government school, and put those Ten Commandments right there in the lobby of that government building where everybody who enters has to see them.



Now ... for those of you who don't believe that the real issue here is forcing others to recognize Christian dogma, just take a look at some of those signs people are waving behind Roy Moore the next time he steps up to a bank of microphones. That ought to convince you."

a simple yes or no would have been fine.
 
Originally posted by: ScoobMaster

What is it about some Christians in this country that drives them to try to push their religious beliefs into the fabric of our government? It's not just about the Ten Commandments in a government building; it's also about prayer in government schools.

Gee, I'm glad I homeschool!
 
Yes, for two reasons. The first is the obvious First Amendment issue, and the second is that for a Chief Justice to tell a higher court to kiss his a$$ is unacceptable.
 
The commandments should stay; the judge should go.
The statements he makes are wrong.
There is, however, nothing wrong with the ten commandments being there, in a government building.
 
I think so.

Regardless I'm LMAO at a chief justice being suspended over disobeying a court order and some of his supporters actually _surprised_ by this. They need to go through the right channels. It has been told to be taken away. So do it. Don't like it? Bring it to a higher court or appeal or whatever, but trying to fight it in the courts, losing, and then saying "oh well screw you anyway" isn't cool. Especially for a chief justice.
 
1. What gives atheists the right to push their anti-religion on anyone?
2. What is to stop someone from putting up a monument to "another god."
3. If there was a plaque of the 10 commandments in his judicial chambers, would he be allowed to keep it?
 
Originally posted by: xospec1alk
i voted yes

anyone heard of seperation of church and state, i mean come on people, what you don;t like that in the constituion, then ever heard of MOVE, go to Canada

DOgg
 
Originally posted by: Cerb
The commandments should stay; the judge should go.
The statements he makes are wrong.
There is, however, nothing wrong with the ten commandments being there, in a government building.

the 10 commandents have nothing to do with the law or how justice should be served, they have no place in a government facility
 
I am probably in the minority here, but I'm an atheist and I don't see what the problem is in letting the commandments stay.

Should we also:

1) Print all money without "In God We Trust"
2) Force Congress to abstain from opening every session with a prayer? (It's done on public grounds)
3) Eradicate the Declaration of Independence?
4) Remove all crosses and star's of David from military cemetaries? (Arlington, etc.)


Personally, I think there are much bigger issues facing us right now.
 
Originally posted by: PunDogg
Originally posted by: xospec1alk
i voted yes

anyone heard of seperation of church and state, i mean come on people, what you don;t like that in the constituion, then ever heard of MOVE, go to Canada

DOgg

Then there should be no Christmas tree in DC during the month of December.
 
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Can I put up shrines to ganeesh and Buddha in front of the courthouse too?

Don't see why not.

Yup, hell you can get body mods to look like Gollum and go around talking about fishes all day, just don't tell me what to believe in.
 
Originally posted by: CPA
I am probably in the minority here, but I'm an atheist and I don't see what the problem is in letting the commandments stay.

Should we also:

1) Print all money without "In God We Trust"
2) Force Congress to abstain from opening every session with a prayer? (It's done on public grounds)
3) Eradicate the Declaration of Independence?
4) Remove all crosses and star's of David from military cemetaries? (Arlington, etc.)


Personally, I think there are much bigger issues facing us right now.

Amen.
 
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