Should the Debt Ceiling be Raised?

[Darwin333]

Increase the search range and the answer is Nixon.

Don't increase it and the answer is G.W. Bush. Damn wealth redistributing librul!!

 

[a777pilot]

Don't increase it and the answer is G.W. Bush. Damn wealth redistributing librul!!

Yes, but both Nixon and Bush(43) had to deal with a confrontational Democrat controlled Congress that sent them these programs.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, but both Nixon and Bush(43) had to deal with a confrontational Democrat controlled Congress that sent them these programs.

Please detail what entitlement increasing programs the Democrats in Congress sent our good friend Bush 43. Be specific.

 

[a777pilot]

Please detail what entitlement increasing programs the Democrats in Congress sent our good friend Bush 43. Be specific.

There is no way that Bush(43) or any President can change the laws without those changes first being passed by the Congress. I had no idea that Bush(43) increased entitlements by Executive Order. Gee, the things one learns on these sites.

 

[Darwin333]

Yes, but both Nixon and Bush(43) had to deal with a confrontational Democrat controlled Congress that sent them these programs.

Well that really wouldn't register at all on my giveafuckameter on why the President put HIS signature on a bill but is your argument really the Democrats made Bush and the Republicans pass Medicare Part D?

 

[a777pilot]

Well that really wouldn't register at all on my giveafuckameter on why the President put HIS signature on a bill but is your argument really the Democrats made Bush and the Republicans pass Medicare Part D?

No law is signed by the president without being passed by Congress first.

LOL!

 

[fskimospy]

There is no way that Bush(43) or any President can change the laws without those changes first being passed by the Congress. I had no idea that Bush(43) increased entitlements by Executive Order. Gee, the things one learns on these sites.

I didn't say that at all, I merely asked for the entitlement increases that the Democrats in Congress put forth to Bush.

Please tell me specific bills passed.

 

[a777pilot]

Well that really wouldn't register at all on my giveafuckameter on why the President put HIS signature on a bill but is your argument really the Democrats made Bush and the Republicans pass Medicare Part D?

I stand corrected.

You are absolutely correct. Thanks for making me do a bit of research. Thank you.

I bow to your expertise in this matter.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll332.xml

 

[fskimospy]

Well that really wouldn't register at all on my giveafuckameter on why the President put HIS signature on a bill but is your argument really the Democrats made Bush and the Republicans pass Medicare Part D?

In case anyone was wondering, here are the vote totals for Medicare part D in the house:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll669.xml

And the final vote in the senate:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00459

Strange, almost all those 'yes' votes appear to be Republican, and both the House and the Senate were controlled by Republicans. Damn those sneaky Democrats making the people controlling all 3 branches of government pass their entitlement programs!

 

[a777pilot]

In case anyone was wondering, here are the vote totals for Medicare part D in the house:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll669.xml

And the final vote in the senate:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00459

Strange, almost all those 'yes' votes appear to be Republican, and both the House and the Senate were controlled by Republicans. Damn those sneaky Democrats making the people controlling all 3 branches of government pass their entitlement programs!

Yes, I agree...I was wrong. I will always admit when I'm wrong. That is how I learn. By being challenged and then doing my own research and learning the truth.

Thanks for this effort. Knowledge is its own reward.

 

[Darwin333]

I stand corrected.

You are absolutely correct. Thanks for making me do a bit of research. Thank you.

I bow to your expertise in this matter.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll332.xml

Ain't nothing wrong with admitting your mistakes and learning from them. Its rather uncommon around here.

 

[Darwin333]

In case anyone was wondering, here are the vote totals for Medicare part D in the house:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll669.xml

And the final vote in the senate:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00459

Strange, almost all those 'yes' votes appear to be Republican, and both the House and the Senate were controlled by Republicans. Damn those sneaky Democrats making the people controlling all 3 branches of government pass their entitlement programs!

Its the librul mind control device! It was originally developed to indoctrinate the kids starting in pre-school but it worked so well they decided to cut to the chase and control the .gov directly.

Funny that most Republicans screaming about wealth redistribution don't seem to remember that the Republicans have in fact passed the single largest expansion to entitlements, or wealth redistribution, in decades.

 

[JockoJohnson]

You have it backwards fool. Trust is something you earn. Wake up! The country is now 50 trillion dollars in debt and these assholes keep moving the lines they draw in the sand. More lines in the sand won't ensure anything except more lines drawn in the sand. If that's all it takes to make you happy then I suggest you move to the desert. Its cheap, nobody ever goes there, and you can draw all the lines your little heart desires until you die of sun stroke.

Again, its just the trash talk before the wrestling match begins. You draw lines in sand, they draw lines in the sand, and everybody steps right over them and dares the other guy to draw another line in the sand. Go ahead, draw all the lines in the sand you care to and blame whoever you want. See how much good it does you.

Screaming and yelling about the American public being selfish and irrational is... well... selfish and irrational. They are what they are and if it isn't obvious to you yet that all the screaming and yelling in the world will not change that fact then I suggest you seek professional counseling. That or, again, move to the desert where you can draw all the lines in the sand your little heart desires.

Lots of babble but nothing that says any of these politicians on either side is ever going to curb spending. We do have a tax issue. Taxes need to be raised. We do have a spending issue. Spending needs to be cut in the big entitlment areas and in defense. One side doesn't like raising taxes, the other side doesn't want to cut spending.

Please explain, oh Enlightened One, how this will get resolved? I think it will only come when the country is on the brink of complete financial ruin. I have no faith in our politicians.

 

[wuliheron]

Lots of babble but nothing that says any of these politicians on either side is ever going to curb spending. We do have a tax issue. Taxes need to be raised. We do have a spending issue. Spending needs to be cut in the big entitlment areas and in defense. One side doesn't like raising taxes, the other side doesn't want to cut spending.

Please explain, oh Enlightened One, how this will get resolved? I think it will only come when the country is on the brink of complete financial ruin. I have no faith in our politicians.

Personally I favor reinventing the guillotine. Instead of a metal blade we can use a laser so there isn't all that blood to clean up and fewer people faint. It worked for the French when their economy went down the tubes and five years later Napoleon kicked ass!

 

[JockoJohnson]

Personally I favor reinventing the guillotine. Instead of a metal blade we can use a laser so there isn't all that blood to clean up and fewer people faint. It worked for the French when their economy went down the tubes and five years later Napoleon kicked ass!

Sounds like a good reality tv show in the making. I just honestly hope the politicians do something so we don't have to get as extreme as guillotines/lasers or dictators.

I do see what you are saying about the cap/debt limit not meaning much. But it gets the conversation started on our fiscal situation. Without it in place, would we as citizens notice how much debt we are accruing?

 

[wuliheron]

Sounds like a good reality tv show in the making. I just honestly hope the politicians do something so we don't have to get as extreme as guillotines/lasers or dictators.

I do see what you are saying about the cap/debt limit not meaning much. But it gets the conversation started on our fiscal situation. Without it in place, would we as citizens notice how much debt we are accruing?

The voters are just as heavily in debt individually as the government is and the economic collapse was a slap in the face that almost took their heads off. They don't need lines in the sand to know the shit has hit the fan and we need to retrench. Like I said, that stuff is just the trash talk before the real wrestling match begins. At best it reminds the voters that nobody is getting out of this one without a scratch and its time to prepare for the worst.