Should schools have the power to. . .

[episodic]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
If a school has a policy that you must show respect to teachers then it makes sense to enforce it off-campus as well.

The fox example included insulting a teacher in a way that might not be criminal but was certainly disrespectful:

"One students was expelled for posting explicit comments about a teacher on MySpace,"

Since parents have stopped being responsible for their kids, the schools have no choice but to take over some of the missing parental discipline for the spoiled punks.

Dave - this is where I'm torn. I posted this to see where people's opinions lie. I'm not sure where mine lies. . .

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Nope. Like you pointed out, if something is already illegal then there are ways to address it. If someone defames you file a civil suit, if they threaten you call the police, etc.

But NO institution/organization/agency/corporation/business/individual should have any lawful authority over what you do when you're not on their property or on their time. That means schools have no power over kids, employers have no power over employees, governments have no power over citizens, etc. The individual should be the basis of all rights.

there have been court cases upholding the firing/retracting of job offers from government agencies towards employees/future employees because that person was entering into a civil union.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
If a school has a policy that you must show respect to teachers then it makes sense to enforce it off-campus as well.

The fox example included insulting a teacher in a way that might not be criminal but was certainly disrespectful:

"One students was expelled for posting explicit comments about a teacher on MySpace,"

Since parents have stopped being responsible for their kids, the schools have no choice but to take over some of the missing parental discipline for the spoiled punks.

Idiot-proof the system...we will invent bigger idiots. The more schools become parents, the worse real parents will be.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: episodic

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: thecrecarc
NO! what kids do off campus is NONE of the buisness of schools. kids off campus is PARENT's responsibiliy. NOT schools. what kids do off campus is NO buisiness of schools, and schools have zero right to do jack about it.

what if the actions of the kids creates a poor representation of the school? (i'm talking more about universitites/colleges here, not High school)

I'm thinking you are not concerned so much with the actions as the publicity of those actions. We've always known frat parties go on - but to have hundreds of less than flattering pics of frat parties from a certain campus - is it then you are thinking a rep will be damaged?

Also - would the same law that allows walmartsucks.com - not allow a poor representation of a school?

to be absolutely honest, i really dont have a clear idea about what the law says about this. There is a very fine line between freedom of speech and defamation (and i certainly dont know what it is).

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
If a school has a policy that you must show respect to teachers then it makes sense to enforce it off-campus as well.

The fox example included insulting a teacher in a way that might not be criminal but was certainly disrespectful:

"One students was expelled for posting explicit comments about a teacher on MySpace,"

Since parents have stopped being responsible for their kids, the schools have no choice but to take over some of the missing parental discipline for the spoiled punks.

just because some parents are bad does not mean all are. I am a good parent. i do my best day in day out to do what is needed so they grow up right.

I do not want or need the school to take over dispipline (unless it is at school or on a school event).

I do not feel the school should be trying to impose punishment for something that goes on outside of teh school setting.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: episodic

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
If a school has a policy that you must show respect to teachers then it makes sense to enforce it off-campus as well.

The fox example included insulting a teacher in a way that might not be criminal but was certainly disrespectful:

"One students was expelled for posting explicit comments about a teacher on MySpace,"

Since parents have stopped being responsible for their kids, the schools have no choice but to take over some of the missing parental discipline for the spoiled punks.

Dave - this is where I'm torn. I posted this to see where people's opinions lie. I'm not sure where mine lies. . .

I can agree with the schools _if_ they have a clear poilcy and apply it evenly.

For example, "Students must not make disrespectful statements about teachers on or off of school grounds" is clear, and applies to putting up a billboard, talking in the mall, and posting a teacher sex fantasy on Myspace.

Parents can see and understand the policy, and challenge it if they think it goes too far.


> idiot-proof the system...we will invent bigger idiots. The more schools become parents, the worse real parents will be.
Sadly this does seem to be the outcome so far.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Nope. Like you pointed out, if something is already illegal then there are ways to address it. If someone defames you file a civil suit, if they threaten you call the police, etc.

But NO institution/organization/agency/corporation/business/individual should have any lawful authority over what you do when you're not on their property or on their time. That means schools have no power over kids, employers have no power over employees, governments have no power over citizens, etc. The individual should be the basis of all rights.

there have been court cases upholding the firing/retracting of job offers from government agencies towards employees/future employees because that person was entering into a civil union.

I have no doubt that it happens, just like I have no doubt that it's wrong. The rights of the individual must be more important than anything else. The individual must be the foundation of justice, law, and order. Nothing else suffices.

 

[b0mbrman]

Private or public schools?

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: waggy
just because some parents are bad does not mean all are. I am a good parent. i do my best day in day out to do what is needed so they grow up right.

I do not want or need the school to take over dispipline (unless it is at school or on a school event).

I do not feel the school should be trying to impose punishment for something that goes on outside of teh school setting.

If I were Emperor, parents would handle discipline instead of the schools, but the parents would be responsible for handling it.

Good parents like you would be fine, but the lazy and weak parents who let their kids run wild would face warnings, fines, even jail time and/or having their kids taken away.

 

[thehstrybean]

Happened in my school...kids posted comments and got ISS'...they also made myspaces for teachers...Crackdown happened, and everyone used the same arguments that are being used now...

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: episodic

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
If a school has a policy that you must show respect to teachers then it makes sense to enforce it off-campus as well.

The fox example included insulting a teacher in a way that might not be criminal but was certainly disrespectful:

"One students was expelled for posting explicit comments about a teacher on MySpace,"

Since parents have stopped being responsible for their kids, the schools have no choice but to take over some of the missing parental discipline for the spoiled punks.

Dave - this is where I'm torn. I posted this to see where people's opinions lie. I'm not sure where mine lies. . .

I can agree with the schools _if_ they have a clear poilcy and apply it evenly.

For example, "Students must not make disrespectful statements about teachers on or off of school grounds" is clear, and applies to putting up a billboard, talking in the mall, and posting a teacher sex fantasy on Myspace.

Parents can see and understand the policy, and challenge it if they think it goes too far.


> idiot-proof the system...we will invent bigger idiots. The more schools become parents, the worse real parents will be.
Sadly this does seem to be the outcome so far.

but that is silly. so students shouldnt have the right to voice hoe they feel about a teacher or school?

we all know there are some great teachers but many very very bad ones. In high school i had a teacher that would come in school drunk. after lunch you could bearly understand her. She was a math teacher and she would often make mistakes. but since she had 20+ years in the school there was no way they could fire her.

so should a child be punished for saying that the teacher is bad? say they have a blog and mention that the teacher screwed up..again?

 

[eakers]

is this in relation to this http://business.bostonherald.com/technologyNews/view.bg?articleid=160420

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: eakers
is this in relation to this http://business.bostonherald.com/technologyNews/view.bg?articleid=160420

Funny, that link just described all tabloids. but to get back on topic.

Oconee County Sheriff?s officials said they were investigating who posted the gossip about North Oconee High School students Sept. 1-9. Since gossip isn?t a crime, the sheriff?s report lists the offense as distributing obscene materials to minors. The list describes sexual encounters and could be accessed by people younger than 18.

Political correctness, thought control and fear is slowly gripping this country, like a frog in a pot of slowly boiling water, most won't see it until it is too late.

 

[thehstrybean]

""There?s a lot of difference between writing on a bathroom wall and distributing it all over the world on the Internet where anyone has access to it," Lt. David Kilpatrick told the Athens Banner-Herald for a story published Sunday. "

Wait, the bathroom isn't a place where people have access to it? So, you have to pay to potty?

 

[fierydemise]

Schools have no right to control what students do off school property and not at school events unless it is already illegal (drugs, alcohol, etc), all postings on the Internet made from a personal computer are protected free speech, on school property it becomes a little more complex because the school can regulate usage of district resources.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Hell no, but I fully support beating kids that act up in the classroom.

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Schools have no right to control what students do off school property and not at school events unless it is already illegal (drugs, alcohol, etc), all postings on the Internet made from a personal computer are protected free speech, on school property it becomes a little more complex because the school can regulate usage of district resources.

I said this does not involve school equipment at all.

 

[altonb1]

Originally posted by: episodic

Originally posted by: XZeroII
It depends what it is. If the student was planning to do something school related, then the school has a right to get involved. You have to be more specific. Obviously you have a specific incident in mind. Share.

For instance, one of many. . .

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217121,00.html

I think they are reaching too far....

 

[KoolDrew]

Originally posted by: skrilla
No.

 

[DrPizza]

In some instances, students are expected to maintain higher standards... Common example: football players. Most schools prohibit them specifically from drinking/smoking on or off campus. If they're caught off campus, then they're off the team.

Another example: National Honor Society (Yes, I know many schools see it as a joke; be aware that it's pretty serious business at other schools.) NHS members at my school are expected to participate in certain types of activities on their own time as a condition of continuing membership (mostly volunteering types of activities.) I will *not* discipline a student over something that's considered hearsay. However, if factual evidence is presented, then certain situations are dealt with on a case by case basis, following all the steps of due process that we have set up.

Just for a response to "yeah, right... it's pretty much a joke - anyone gets in as long as they have a high enough average." Well, not in this area - town/county/region. It cost one student a $30,000 scholarship. NHS membership at a school in a 3 county area meant the scholarship was automatic at a particular college in the area.

 

[imported_goku]

Yea I think this is a screwed up policy, I can't believe school administrators believe this is perfectly fine. They really need to put the smackdown on these government agencies who are limiting the rights of the people, bunch of power grubbing pri***.

 

[DrPizza]

btw, in the article linked, there isn't a new "rule" - it's just putting students, teachers, etc. on notice that there ARE laws which do, in fact, restrict what people believe is "free speech." It's unfortunate that there are too many morons out there who don't understand this.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: KoolDrew

Originally posted by: skrilla
No.

 

[her209]

Here's another doozy: Can you be sued for sexual harrassment if it happens outside of work, e.g. you tell another co-worker she has a nice rack and you'd like to motorboat them?

 

[Mathlete]

Yes! H3llz Yes!

In a private school!!!!!

<-----teaches at a private school and kids will go to one too.