Should schools have the power to. . .

[episodic]

Should schools have the power to discipline kids for off campus behavior on the internet on computer systems that are not owned or operated by the district?

I'm talking about opinions of students, etc.

I am not talking about anything that is currently already illegal. Make sure you understand that means I'm not talking about extemely serious stuff. That is different and laws are already on the book to handle that. . .

 

[skrilla]

No.

 

[thecrecarc]

NO! what kids do off campus is NONE of the buisness of schools. kids off campus is PARENT's responsibiliy. NOT schools. what kids do off campus is NO buisiness of schools, and schools have zero right to do jack about it.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Nope. Like you pointed out, if something is already illegal then there are ways to address it. If someone defames you file a civil suit, if they threaten you call the police, etc.

But NO institution/organization/agency/corporation/business/individual should have any lawful authority over what you do when you're not on their property or on their time. That means schools have no power over kids, employers have no power over employees, governments have no power over citizens, etc. The individual should be the basis of all rights.

 

[imported_LoKe]

Uh, wtf, no.

 

[episodic]

There are lots of schools now amending their IT policies where it says that students can be punished for off campus postings. . .

 

[XZeroII]

It depends what it is. If the student was planning to do something school related, then the school has a right to get involved. You have to be more specific. Obviously you have a specific incident in mind. Share.

 

[thecrecarc]

Originally posted by: episodic
There are lots of schools now amending their IT policies where it says that students can be punished for off campus postings. . .

which? id really like to know and make sure i NEVER go to any of those.

 

[151528]

No way, what right do they have to stop you doing what you want in your own time, your parents have that right, but not your school, otherwise thats way F**ked up!

 

[Kadarin]

The very idea is ridiculous.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Nope. Like you pointed out, if something is already illegal then there are ways to address it. If someone defames you file a civil suit, if they threaten you call the police, etc.

But NO institution/organization/agency/corporation/business/individual should have any lawful authority over what you do when you're not on their property or on their time. That means schools have no power over kids, employers have no power over employees, governments have no power over citizens, etc. The individual should be the basis of all rights.

but he's talking about using their property if i'm not mistaken.

 

[BlancoNino]

I don't know...I went to a high school that would give students detention for parking on the street in nearby residential areas. They were public streets that were legal to park at...but the principal didn't want us to and was disciplining the students for doing so. How was that legal?

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
It depends what it is. If the student was planning to do something school related, then the school has a right to get involved. You have to be more specific. Obviously you have a specific incident in mind. Share.

For instance, one of many. . .

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217121,00.html

 

[thecrecarc]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I don't know...I went to a high school that would give students detention for parking on the street in nearby residential areas. They were public streets that were legal to park at...but the principal didn't want us to and was disciplining the students for doing so. How was that legal?

it isnt. you should of done something about it/

Edit:

Originally posted by: episodic

Originally posted by: XZeroII
It depends what it is. If the student was planning to do something school related, then the school has a right to get involved. You have to be more specific. Obviously you have a specific incident in mind. Share.

For instance, one of many. . .

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217121,00.html

thats messed up. i hope the school gets sued

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Nope. Like you pointed out, if something is already illegal then there are ways to address it. If someone defames you file a civil suit, if they threaten you call the police, etc.

But NO institution/organization/agency/corporation/business/individual should have any lawful authority over what you do when you're not on their property or on their time. That means schools have no power over kids, employers have no power over employees, governments have no power over citizens, etc. The individual should be the basis of all rights.

but he's talking about using their property if i'm not mistaken.

No reread my post. I'm NOT talking about using thier property.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: thecrecarc

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I don't know...I went to a high school that would give students detention for parking on the street in nearby residential areas. They were public streets that were legal to park at...but the principal didn't want us to and was disciplining the students for doing so. How was that legal?

it isnt. you should of done something about it/

Only went to school there for 6 months. Burlington-Edison highschool in WA.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Nope. Like you pointed out, if something is already illegal then there are ways to address it. If someone defames you file a civil suit, if they threaten you call the police, etc.

But NO institution/organization/agency/corporation/business/individual should have any lawful authority over what you do when you're not on their property or on their time. That means schools have no power over kids, employers have no power over employees, governments have no power over citizens, etc. The individual should be the basis of all rights.

but he's talking about using their property if i'm not mistaken.

on the internet on computer systems that are not owned or operated by the district?

Not if I'm reading that correctly he's not.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

God I can't believe you guys are all saying NO. Schools already have powers when you get into trouble drinking or partying even in non-school relatedt hings. If you are a HS student and you attend some frat party and you get busted, you can get disciplined by the school.

I mean if the school doesnt like the fact that a student is posting opinions on teachers, that's too bad. Deal with it, but if the student is doing borderline dangerous stuff (questionable in legal status or even if it's barely within the legal limits), I think the school can exercise some authority.

 

[waggy]

oh hell no.

also a few schools have been sued for it. i would be pissed if my school district got sued and lost because of something like this.

 

[thecrecarc]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
God I can't believe you guys are all saying NO. Schools already have powers when you get into trouble drinking or partying even in non-school relatedt hings. If you are a HS student and you attend some frat party and you get busted, you can get disciplined by the school.

I mean if the school doesnt like the fact that a student is posting opinions on teachers, that's too bad. Deal with it, but if the student is doing borderline dangerous stuff (questionable in legal status or even if it's barely within the legal limits), I think the school can exercise some authority.

yes, everyone knows blogs and myspace are REAL dangurous. as long as u have common sense the shouldnt be that bad

(for the record, i dont have a blog, and they day i die will be they day i get myspace, i dislike it inmensly and think myspace sucks. but schools have no power over if ppl use myspace.)

and as states above, illegal things will still be delt normaly

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: thecrecarc
NO! what kids do off campus is NONE of the buisness of schools. kids off campus is PARENT's responsibiliy. NOT schools. what kids do off campus is NO buisiness of schools, and schools have zero right to do jack about it.

what if the actions of the kids creates a poor representation of the school? (i'm talking more about universitites/colleges here, not High school)

 

[DaveSimmons]

If a school has a policy that you must show respect to teachers then it makes sense to enforce it off-campus as well.

The fox example included insulting a teacher in a way that might not be criminal but was certainly disrespectful:

"One students was expelled for posting explicit comments about a teacher on MySpace,"

Since parents have stopped being responsible for their kids, the schools have no choice but to take over some of the missing parental discipline for the spoiled punks.

 

[thecrecarc]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: thecrecarc
NO! what kids do off campus is NONE of the buisness of schools. kids off campus is PARENT's responsibiliy. NOT schools. what kids do off campus is NO buisiness of schools, and schools have zero right to do jack about it.

what if the actions of the kids creates a poor representation of the school? (i'm talking more about universitites/colleges here, not High school)

then its more fuzzy. if it has nothnig to do wiht the school (like myspace, blogs etc.) then its no

if it does with the school, its a bit more unclear, but in the end i still say no.

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: thecrecarc
NO! what kids do off campus is NONE of the buisness of schools. kids off campus is PARENT's responsibiliy. NOT schools. what kids do off campus is NO buisiness of schools, and schools have zero right to do jack about it.

what if the actions of the kids creates a poor representation of the school? (i'm talking more about universitites/colleges here, not High school)

I'm thinking you are not concerned so much with the actions as the publicity of those actions. We've always known frat parties go on - but to have hundreds of less than flattering pics of frat parties from a certain campus - is it then you are thinking a rep will be damaged?

Also - would the same law that allows walmartsucks.com - not allow a poor representation of a school?

 

[thegimp03]

Nope...