Nato serves no purpose anymore. It was invented as a group of nations aligned against the Soviet bloc. That is history. Nato should go also.
Nato serves no purpose anymore. It was invented as a group of nations aligned against the Soviet bloc. That is history. Nato should go also.
1. NATO is about to undertake it's largest mission ever.
2. Europe needs NATO, NATO needs Europe. Without NATO, one can easily see a repeat of the last century.
1. NATO is about to undertake it's largest mission ever.
2. Europe needs NATO, NATO needs Europe. Without NATO, one can easily see a repeat of the last century.
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They are no longer our biggest threat, or even really much of a threat at all
They arent our biggest threat, no. But if you honestly believe they hold no ill will towards us, or that they arent really a threat at all, you are making one of the biggest mistakes anyone can make. Underestimating an opponent. After years of living under a regime and principle that ended up failing in the end, and to watch your most staunch enemy prevail economically over you, do you honestly believe the Russian government are going to just fall into line with NATO or any other organization that combines the US, Britain and Germany???
~wnied~
They arent our biggest threat, no. But if you honestly believe they hold no ill will towards us, or that they arent really a threat at all, you are making one of the biggest mistakes anyone can make. Underestimating an opponent. After years of living under a regime and principle that ended up failing in the end, and to watch your most staunch enemy prevail economically over you, do you honestly believe the Russian government are going to just fall into line with NATO or any other organization that combines the US, Britain and Germany???
~wnied~
Russia should not be allowed to join NATO right now.
But. The prospect of joining NATO should be out there as an incentive for Russia to clean up their act in terms of corruption and general lawlessness that is the root cause of their economic troubles.
I think it's crucial that NATO have Russia joining it as an objective, because we need to bring Russia into the Western and burn the bridges to the past before some radical government emerges there again.
But Russia needs to take steps to start integrating into europe economically and socially first.
But. The prospect of joining NATO should be out there as an incentive for Russia to clean up their act in terms of corruption and general lawlessness that is the root cause of their economic troubles.
I think it's crucial that NATO have Russia joining it as an objective, because we need to bring Russia into the Western and burn the bridges to the past before some radical government emerges there again.
But Russia needs to take steps to start integrating into europe economically and socially first.
<< Two, Their are still communist hardliners in high state positions that hold enough influence to stop anykind of lean to western culture.
I wonder how widespread this is. Even Putin, himself, is ex-KGB, and that seems about as hardline as you can get. Yet his efforts look very "westernized" to me. >>
Putin is a hardliner, but a hardliner in capitalism. There still is a considerable party of commies in their parliament, and they are in the opposition.
Aelus
<< They are no longer our biggest threat, or even really much of a threat at all
They arent our biggest threat, no. But if you honestly believe they hold no ill will towards us, or that they arent really a threat at all, you are making one of the biggest mistakes anyone can make. Underestimating an opponent. After years of living under a regime and principle that ended up failing in the end, and to watch your most staunch enemy prevail economically over you, do you honestly believe the Russian government are going to just fall into line with NATO or any other organization that combines the US, Britain and Germany???
~wnied~ >>
This could have been said about Germany in 1945 as well.
This is exactly my point. You either bring them into the Western world and have them be your ally, or you isolate them and risk a repeat of what happened in Germany after WW1.
Most Russians don't blame America right now, they blame their own history and corrupt polticians. We need to reach out to them before that changes.
Most Russians don't blame America right now, they blame their own history and corrupt polticians. We need to reach out to them before that changes.
In some ways this might be true. I saw a Russian poll that said that over 50% of them don't support Russia helping the US in this terrorist conflict. But I think the US is doing a smart thing. We've made a tradeoff to help them rebuild their infrastructure. And that's after they defaulted on their US loans in 1998. Maybe they won't forget.
In some ways this might be true. I saw a Russian poll that said that over 50% of them don't support Russia helping the US in this terrorist conflict. But I think the US is doing a smart thing. We've made a tradeoff to help them rebuild their infrastructure. And that's after they defaulted on their US loans in 1998. Maybe they won't forget.
Russians don't want to join NATO.
That's not necessarily true. It might just take some time.
Russia Waits For NATO's Embrace
In the buildup to the meeting between President Vladimir Putin and NATO Secretary-General George Robertson in Brussels on Wednesday, there's been speculation about whether Russia might ask to join NATO.
Putin was asked about this possibility during his visit to Germany last week. "Everything depends on what is on offer," he told reporters. "There is no longer a reason for the West not to conduct such talks."
Yet, despite a new climate of cooperation between Russia and the West, which surfaced in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks on the United States, it is unlikely that Russia will become a member of NATO anytime soon, experts say. Instead, this week's meeting may open up careful discussions on how Russia and NATO can reconfigure their relationship to better serve both parties' needs.
That's not necessarily true. It might just take some time.
Russia Waits For NATO's Embrace
In the buildup to the meeting between President Vladimir Putin and NATO Secretary-General George Robertson in Brussels on Wednesday, there's been speculation about whether Russia might ask to join NATO.
Putin was asked about this possibility during his visit to Germany last week. "Everything depends on what is on offer," he told reporters. "There is no longer a reason for the West not to conduct such talks."
Yet, despite a new climate of cooperation between Russia and the West, which surfaced in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks on the United States, it is unlikely that Russia will become a member of NATO anytime soon, experts say. Instead, this week's meeting may open up careful discussions on how Russia and NATO can reconfigure their relationship to better serve both parties' needs.
I'll be for it when the amount of contributions to NATO has a relationship to the voteing power in NATO. Until that happens NATO is SUCK!
Well, considering NATO is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, I'm not sure Russian would fit in since it's not on the Atlantic. But what the heck, the more the merrier!
russia appears interested only in conducting exploratory talks. they do not expect to be treated like any of
her former satellite states who have requested or have been granted admission. they consider themselves
different (read superior) and therefore would demand conditions, guarantees, and other enticements if they
were to ever agree to join. they want to preserve their sense of cultural superiority for the eventual day, when
they feel, their nation will recover her past 'glory' and regain her royal pride.
her former satellite states who have requested or have been granted admission. they consider themselves
different (read superior) and therefore would demand conditions, guarantees, and other enticements if they
were to ever agree to join. they want to preserve their sense of cultural superiority for the eventual day, when
they feel, their nation will recover her past 'glory' and regain her royal pride.
I think they should be aloud to join
I think that if we want to beat this problem that we have , we might as well as include the russia.
I am sure that they can help us a lot against this , they did fight with afghanistan even though US supported Afghanistan
I think they should be aloud.
I think that if we want to beat this problem that we have , we might as well as include the russia.
I am sure that they can help us a lot against this , they did fight with afghanistan even though US supported Afghanistan
I think they should be aloud.
I think Russia would prefer to be a partner to NATO but remain apart from NATO. Why? Because Russia is too proud to accept the US as the leader of NATO.
<< Should Russia Be Allowed To Join NATO? >>
How ironic...lol. NATO...with russia in it...I bet some dead guys would be rollin around in their graves if this happened..."But...but...but we made NATO BECAUSE of Russia!"
Really I don't have an opinion on the subject...just love the irony.
yup thats true NATO was a direct result of Russia and its 'satelite' nations or whatever there org. was called. But that was then, Russia has obviously lost that battle and let bygons be bygons now.. I remember in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks approximately 2 hours later, the Russian President held a live telecast to inform the US that they feel our pain and would help in anyway needed... I didn't see any other leader do that on behalf of his nation until later... so you can bet Russia is with us all the way...
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