Should picketing be allowed outside abortion clinics?

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: Mani
I'm pro-choice and believe they have the right to picket abortion clinics. Now where are all the pro-choicers that are supposedly against this right, or this yet another republican straw man?

1) I'm very liberal.
2) I know someone.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Medellon
What the hell did Acorn and the Black Panther thugs do? They intimidated people and blocked access to polling places. But since it was all for the good of getting that mental midget Obama voted into office everything is fine.

Oh get your head out of your ass and start thinking for yourself. Fox dropped that contrived story faster than a priests pants at an alter boy convention. Ever wonder why nothing more came of that set up? That was just the Ashley Todd story of the week.

Link?

To what?

The Ashley Todd story... seemed obvious to me.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: umbrella39


You let me know when your done sucking it up. As stated, Fox dropped that story instantly and never aired another second of it on election night. Pst, it was bullshit.

What was BS about it?


Prosecutors thought it was legit. Are you smarter than them?


It wasnt until Obama took office that charges were magically deemed unfit.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Cogman
"I'm pro-choice as long as the choice is one that I feel pro about!"

Picketing is their right. So long as they don't stop or harass customers, they stay on public ground, and they don't block access, they can do whatever they like. It's their choice.

And I would hate to have it any other way. I want the right to be able to protest anything I like, but if the government steps in and decides what we can and can't protest on then welcome to a communist dictatorship.

In a perfect world everyone would respect the boundaries the law places on their behavior. I can only speak from my experience and in the situation discussed in the OP I find that a significant number of people come with the expressed purpose of violating the rights of the clinics and their clients.

Any situation in which an individual finds themself faced with a mob of screaming "protesters", weight of numbers alone should not dictate which group gets to enjoy their rights.

If it becomes a problem, call the police and have them escort you in and out. Get the protesters that break the law to go to prison. If the police don't cooperate, sue the police department (its the American way ). But making it illegal all together is dumb because it screams slippery slope.

If you really want to strike back, form a protesting group for a church. Protest the protesters.

I would rather have a couple of people inconvenienced because the law doesn't prosecute groups of protesters, then loose the right to form groups of protesters.

If you need a Police Escort, then somethings amiss and shouldn't be tolerated.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Cogman
If it becomes a problem, call the police and have them escort you in and out. Get the protesters that break the law to go to prison. If the police don't cooperate, sue the police department (its the American way ). But making it illegal all together is dumb because it screams slippery slope.

If you really want to strike back, form a protesting group for a church. Protest the protesters.

I would rather have a couple of people inconvenienced because the law doesn't prosecute groups of protesters, then loose the right to form groups of protesters.

If you need a Police Escort, then somethings amiss and shouldn't be tolerated.

Congratulations, you said what he said. If a protest escalates beyond what's afforded by the Constitution, then it shouldn't be tolerated. I don't see any disagreement there.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Cogman
If it becomes a problem, call the police and have them escort you in and out. Get the protesters that break the law to go to prison. If the police don't cooperate, sue the police department (its the American way ). But making it illegal all together is dumb because it screams slippery slope.

If you really want to strike back, form a protesting group for a church. Protest the protesters.

I would rather have a couple of people inconvenienced because the law doesn't prosecute groups of protesters, then loose the right to form groups of protesters.

If you need a Police Escort, then somethings amiss and shouldn't be tolerated.

Congratulations, you said what he said. If a protest escalates beyond what's afforded by the Constitution, then it shouldn't be tolerated. I don't see any disagreement there.

Not quite. He suggested a Police Escort, like as a normal procedure and not pout of the ordinary. I said that simply needing a Police Escort was over the line already.

Nuance.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: umbrella39


You let me know when your done sucking it up. As stated, Fox dropped that story instantly and never aired another second of it on election night. Pst, it was bullshit.

What was BS about it?

That people were not turned away from the polls and that the story was a 100% setup. That in case you missed the memo white people voted for Obama, too, in very large numbers. That the magic black pathers couldn't and didn't somehow have a crystal ball and somehow figured out which white people were voting for Obama and which were voting for McCain so as not to scare and intimidate the wrong whities. That Fox news high tailed out of there faster than they arrived on the scene. That had it been a real issue they'd still be broadcasting live from that entrance many months later. Etc. Look how much coverage the Todd story got 24/7 until it was found out to be a fake a couple days later. Yeah, Fox was just going to drop THIS story? Yeah, not so much.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: umbrella39


You let me know when your done sucking it up. As stated, Fox dropped that story instantly and never aired another second of it on election night. Pst, it was bullshit.

What was BS about it?

That people were not turned away from the polls and that the story was a 100% setup. That in case you missed the memo white people voted for Obama, too, in very large numbers. That the magic black pathers couldn't and didn't somehow have a crystal ball and somehow figured out which white people were voting for Obama and which were voting for McCain so as not to scare and intimidate the wrong whities. That Fox news high tailed out of there faster than they arrived on the scene. That had it been a real issue they'd still be broadcasting live from that entrance many months later. Etc. Look how much coverage the Todd story got 24/7 until it was found out to be a fake a couple days later. Yeah, Fox was just going to drop THIS story? Yeah, not so much.

Good job not commenting on the fact that prosecutors pressed charges and there was debate in congress about it.

Use Fox as the boogyman. Congrats.

Nothing was "fake" about it.

 

[her209]

What if the protesters take pictures/videos of the patrons coming and leaving the clinic?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: umbrella39


You let me know when your done sucking it up. As stated, Fox dropped that story instantly and never aired another second of it on election night. Pst, it was bullshit.

What was BS about it?

That people were not turned away from the polls and that the story was a 100% setup. That in case you missed the memo white people voted for Obama, too, in very large numbers. That the magic black pathers couldn't and didn't somehow have a crystal ball and somehow figured out which white people were voting for Obama and which were voting for McCain so as not to scare and intimidate the wrong whities. That Fox news high tailed out of there faster than they arrived on the scene. That had it been a real issue they'd still be broadcasting live from that entrance many months later. Etc. Look how much coverage the Todd story got 24/7 until it was found out to be a fake a couple days later. Yeah, Fox was just going to drop THIS story? Yeah, not so much.

Good job not commenting on the fact that prosecutors pressed charges and there was debate in congress about it.

Use Fox as the boogyman. Congrats.

Nothing was "fake" about it.

Good job keeping your head up your ass about frivolous charges that went no where. Just another birther story. :roll: keep trying laughing stock EBT #47

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Not quite. He suggested a Police Escort, like as a normal procedure and not pout of the ordinary. I said that simply needing a Police Escort was over the line already.

Nuance.

Gotchya :thumbsup:

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: her209
What if the protesters take pictures/videos of the patrons coming and leaving the clinic?

In a vacuum, that absolutely should not be tolerated... but I imagine there's so much gray area surrounding that, I have no idea who the law would support... the protesters or the patrons.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I think they should be allowed to picket all they want from a parking lot 3 blocks away.

Seems reasonable.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Medellon
I get a kick out of you all who say they should not be allowed to picket. What the hell did Acorn and the Black Panther thugs do? They intimidated people and blocked access to polling places. But since it was all for the good of getting that mental midget Obama voted into office everything is fine.

Moron.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: daniel49
Should picketing be allowed outside abortion clinics?


Of course not, we should deny thier constitutional rights and jail them for having a conservative opinion and view on life:roll:

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone said anything like that to this point in the thread.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: manlymatt83

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I would also add the clause that they can't harass (try to block entrance, photograph, etc..) patients going into the clinic. If you want to express your views, fine, but you can't deny others their rights as well.

Oh hell yes. Hands down agree.

If they are on public land, they take a photo of anything in clear sight. It is called 'freedom'.

Picketing should be allowed so as long as they are not on private land where the owner has not consented.

Taking photos in plain sight from public land is not wrong, even if you disagree.

but preventing people from entering the abortion facility, punching, physically intimidating, etc. should NOT occur.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: magomago


If they are on public land, they take a photo of anything in clear sight.

This.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: daniel49
Should picketing be allowed outside abortion clinics?


Of course not, we should deny thier constitutional rights and jail them for having a conservative opinion and view on life:roll:

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone said anything like that to this point in the thread.

Whoops... Missed this one...

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Arrest them and throw them all in jail. The protesters are using fear and intimidation in an attempt to prevent women from accessing health care. They're nothing more than petty thugs who hide behind the bible.

They should be arrested and thrown in jail ONLY if they break the law. Otherwise they have the right to peacefully protest.

 

[theeedude]

Let them picket, but have cops present to ensure customer safety.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Let them picket, but have cops present to ensure customer safety.

Keeping a detail is going to be expensive.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: senseamp
Let them picket, but have cops present to ensure customer safety.

Keeping a detail is going to be expensive.

This is perhaps extreme - especially in light of the fact that I am pro life - but I would not be opposed to legislation that imposed hate-crime-eque penalties for attacks against abortion clinics or its patrons.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: senseamp
Let them picket, but have cops present to ensure customer safety.

Keeping a detail is going to be expensive.

Cost of freedom.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: senseamp
Let them picket, but have cops present to ensure customer safety.

Keeping a detail is going to be expensive.

Cost of freedom.

You do realize the burden of said cost would be on the clinic, right?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: manlymatt83

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I would also add the clause that they can't harass (try to block entrance, photograph, etc..) patients going into the clinic. If you want to express your views, fine, but you can't deny others their rights as well.

Oh hell yes. Hands down agree.

If they are on public land, they take a photo of anything in clear sight. It is called 'freedom'.

Picketing should be allowed so as long as they are not on private land where the owner has not consented.

Taking photos in plain sight from public land is not wrong, even if you disagree.

but preventing people from entering the abortion facility, punching, physically intimidating, etc. should NOT occur.

Taking Photos of everyone Entering/Exiting an Abortion Clinic is clearly an act of Intimidation and should not be tolerated..

Would you hold the same Opinion if the KKK decided to Picket/Photograph outside a Black Church Everyday for Years on end?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: sandorski


Taking Photos of everyone Entering/Exiting an Abortion Clinic is clearly an act of Intimidation and should not be tolerated..

Would you hold the same Opinion if the KKK decided to Picket/Photograph outside a Black Church Everyday for Years on end?

Yes, and im sure the ACLU would back them up.


Public land is public land.



People would also have the right to go down to that same public land and voice their opinion of how retarded the KKK is.