Should people on goverment disability be allowed to have children?

[Texashiker]

First - this is not a troll thread. Over the weekend I found out some information, and I am hoping to have a discussion on said information.

Young adult lady about 20 years old is receiving Social Security disability benefits. The lady is "supposed" to be disabled because she is bi-polar and is a little "off", as her friends described her. I met the lady in question. The only thing I think she needs is a kick in the butt and some kind of college education.

A couple of months ago the lady got knocked up by her boyfriend. As I am listening to the story about her controlling boyfriend and how her family is worried about her, I keep thinking to myself, "if you are supposed to be disabled, living off of my tax dollars, why are you going to have kids that will probably end up living off the system?"

In short:

Lady claims she is disabled and is drawing social security disability checks.

Lady gets knocked up.

Lady has no way to provide for child except through social program benefits.

My opinion:

It might be just me, but I think this situation is part of the problem with the US. someone can not take care of themselves, but can squeeze out babies that will probably be supported by public money.

But then again, where do we draw the line? Who decides who can have children and who can not?

7-25-2012 Update

I found out last night the lady is knocked up again.

 

[IronWing]

Require a performance bond from would be parents (all would be parents, not just welfare cases). Kid stays out of trouble, graduates HS, parents pay for own kids, get bond back. Kid goes to jail or fails to graduate or parents suck on dole, lose all or portion of bond. Make bond large enough to make parents care.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes.

 

[ichy]

In theory no, I absolutely do not think they should be able to. In reality, how exactly will you stop them?

 

[PeshakJang]

Let her have the kid, and increase the concentration of wealth of those not as dumb as her (the 1% apparently) in the process.

There is no government program to fix stupidity. There are quite a few that subsidize it, however, ensuring it is there for our children's children to enjoy.

 

[woodie1]

I defer to Ann Coulter. Whatever her position is on this is good with me.

 

[IronWing]

In theory no, I absolutely do not think they should be able to. In reality, how exactly will you stop them?

Put contraceptive powder on the scratch off tickets?

 

[Schadenfroh]

In theory, no one that is incapable of supporting themselves should have children.

But, unfortunately, reversible and inexpensive sterilization does not exist. So, we have to let those on long-term government assistance continue to have more children. I do not think any of us have the stomach to mandate abortions for anyone below the poverty line that gets pregnant.

So, the rich get richer and the poor get children.

Until we find a suitable inexpensive and reversible sterilization technique, we might find success in mixing birth-control pills with a lottery system:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/health/14meds.html?pagewanted=all

Now, a controversial, and seemingly counterintuitive, effort to tackle the problem is gaining ground: paying people money to take medicine or to comply with prescribed treatment. The idea, which is being embraced by doctors, pharmacy companies, insurers and researchers, is that paying modest financial incentives up front can save much larger costs of hospitalization.

 

[davmat787]

Sounds like the problem could lie in the Social Security vetting process. And like others have pointed out, how are you going to enforce this?

 

[Spikesoldier]

Government has no business in regulating who has children, who doesn't, and how many.

/thread

 

[MovingTarget]

Government has no business in regulating who has children, who doesn't, and how many.

/thread

THIS.

/thread

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Yeah, lets let the federal government control who can have children. That's the kind of fascist wonderland I want live in...

Facepalm.

Do people even think before asking these kinds of retarded questions?

 

[Ronstang]

Government has no business in regulating who has children, who doesn't, and how many.

/thread

They also don't have any business stealing money from the productive to support some people, who won't do anything to help themselves, their whole lives....but they do. The simple solution to the conundrum is let people live the life they are willing to work and save for, as it used to be.

 

[Infohawk]

Some people are saying if you get public benefits, you shouldn't have children. But this economy sucks and I'm not going to condone social darwinism now or ever.

With that said pretty much everyone should be limiting themselves to 2 or 3 children these days.

 

[Howard]

Some people are saying if you get public benefits, you shouldn't have children. But this economy sucks and I'm not going to condone social darwinism now or ever.

With that said pretty much everyone should be limiting themselves to 2 or 3 children these days.

Heck, the people that have fewer children are the people that will have more productive children.

We should try to reverse the situation.

 

[Modelworks]

The lady is "supposed" to be disabled because she is bi-polar and is a little "off", as her friends described her. I met the lady in question. The only thing I think she needs is a kick in the butt and some kind of college education.

There is the whole flaw in your argument. What you think doesn't matter because you are not a medical professional with all the facts about her case. If I see someone on disability for health issues and they are mowing the lawn I might jump to conclusions that the person is healthy enough, but again I don't know all the facts, that is why we have doctors and people to make those determinations.

Disability cast a wide net. Should someone who can't hear be allowed to have children ? What about blind people ? My dad is legally blind, can only tell the difference between light and dark and did just fine .

Instead what needs to be done is to require a permit for anyone having any children. I find it ridiculous that just because someone can get pregnant that means they are capable of raising a child.

Compare everything having a child requires, there is knowing how to care for a baby, how to talk to children, how to prepare a healthy environment, expenses involved, yet we allow people to just have a child and figure it out on their own. These are infants, not some toy you put together with trial and error.

What I would like to see is a requirement that new parents take a two week class and pass that class before they have their first child. It should include everything from health to finances and counseling . Those that fail to take the class should not be eligible for any future government support and fined as well. May sound harsh, but I get sick of seeing bad parents that had they been required to do a little bit of learning could have produced much happier children. Or children that die from accidents in the home because parents had no idea that what they were doing would harm the child.

 

[MotF Bane]

Government has no business in regulating who has children, who doesn't, and how many.

/thread

Absolutely. Then again, the government also has no business in giving money to people for having children, not having a job, being a single parent, et cetera.

 

[Spikesoldier]

They also don't have any business stealing money from the productive to support some people, who won't do anything to help themselves, their whole lives....but they do. The simple solution to the conundrum is let people live the life they are willing to work and save for, as it used to be.

Absolutely. Then again, the government also has no business in giving money to people for having children, not having a job, being a single parent, et cetera.

Agreed. These handouts are simply election tactics at the expense of the taxpayer. They provide the illusion that they are fixing the core problems, but are in essence just a band-aid made of $100 bills on the gushing wound. Attempt to take them away and its political suicide, and will be spun on the emotional angle. e.g. "You hate children!" "You hate the disabled!"

Yet another business the government shouldn't be in.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

There is the whole flaw in your argument. What you think doesn't matter because you are not a medical professional with all the facts about her case. If I see someone on disability for health issues and they are mowing the lawn I might jump to conclusions that the person is healthy enough, but again I don't know all the facts, that is why we have doctors and people to make those determinations.

Disability cast a wide net. Should someone who can't hear be allowed to have children ? What about blind people ? My dad is legally blind, can only tell the difference between light and dark and did just fine .

Instead what needs to be done is to require a permit for anyone having any children. I find it ridiculous that just because someone can get pregnant that means they are capable of raising a child.

Compare everything having a child requires, there is knowing how to care for a baby, how to talk to children, how to prepare a healthy environment, expenses involved, yet we allow people to just have a child and figure it out on their own. These are infants, not some toy you put together with trial and error.

What I would like to see is a requirement that new parents take a two week class and pass that class before they have their first child. It should include everything from health to finances and counseling . Those that fail to take the class should not be eligible for any future government support and fined as well. May sound harsh, but I get sick of seeing bad parents that had they been required to do a little bit of learning could have produced much happier children. Or children that die from accidents in the home because parents had no idea that what they were doing would harm the child.

LOL. Your posts prove otherwise.

 

[Carmen813]

First - this is not a troll thread. Over the weekend I found out some information, and I am hoping to have a discussion on said information.

Young adult lady about 20 years old is receiving Social Security disability benefits. The lady is "supposed" to be disabled because she is bi-polar and is a little "off", as her friends described her. I met the lady in question. The only thing I think she needs is a kick in the butt and some kind of college education.

A couple of months ago the lady got knocked up by her boyfriend. As I am listening to the story about her controlling boyfriend and how her family is worried about her, I keep thinking to myself, "if you are supposed to be disabled, living off of my tax dollars, why are you going to have kids that will probably end up living off the system?"

In short:

Lady claims she is disabled and is drawing social security disability checks.

Lady gets knocked up.

Lady has no way to provide for child except through social program benefits.

My opinion:

It might be just me, but I think this situation is part of the problem with the US. someone can not take care of themselves, but can squeeze out babies that will probably be supported by public money.

But then again, where do we draw the line? Who decides who can have children and who can not?

Look up the term eugenics and learn about the horror it caused. Would you believe me if I said American universities taught the Naz's how to create the Holocaust? Probably not.

Read about Buck vs. Bell, which specifically dealt with sterilizing the mentally ill. Learn how the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court stated "3 generations of imbeciles is enough" when writing the majority opinion that made it legal for the state to sterilize someone against their will. Then learn about Carrie Buck and her child that led to this case.

Learn about mental illness and bipolar disorder. Read from people living with mental illness. Learn how flawed diagnosis is in our mental health system. Learn about what "disabled" really means with regards to work and living in our society. Work to understand your own abilist (think abilism, yes, it's a real term) beliefs.

Examine the flaws in our safety nets, not only with getting on them, but how they work against you moving forward in life. How they both become necessary for survival and close doors. Once you've done these things, come back and tell me if you still think the same way.

I know I don't. Then start thinking about what meaningful action you can do about the real problems facing our society.

 

[child of wonder]

The government should offer free contraceptives (perhaps even surgical sterilization) and reform welfare so it isn't profitable to have children.

Other than that, there's not much they can do.

 

[JSt0rm]

No. Forced abortions all around.

 

[Rifter]

This is what i think, its going to be harsh but its what i think.

I think that if your only source of income is goverment dole and there is no real physical/mental reason you cannot hold a job then if you are stupid enough to have a kid thats fine, its your right, but you have to find a way to provede for YOUR kid thats a result of YOUR actions. There should be ZERO goverment help with money to support your kid. You know what you were getting into so deal with your decision, it should not fall to the rest of us(taxpayers) to pay for your stupidity.

After a few kids starve to death maybe people will realize money doesnt grow on trees get this entitlement bullshit out of their heads and man/woman the fuck up and take responsability for THEIR actions.

 

[Carmen813]

This is what i think, its going to be harsh but its what i think.

I think that if your only source of income is goverment dole and there is no real physical/mental reason you cannot hold a job then if you are stupid enough to have a kid thats fine, its your right, but you have to find a way to provede for YOUR kid thats a result of YOUR actions. There should be ZERO goverment help with money to support your kid. You know what you were getting into so deal with your decision, it should not fall to the rest of us(taxpayers) to pay for your stupidity.

After a few kids starve to death maybe people will realize money doesnt grow on trees get this entitlement bullshit out of their heads and man/woman the fuck up and take responsability for THEIR actions.

Your plan amounts to kill the children. You better come up with a really good slogan.

P.S. People won't stop having children if the government stops supporting them. We'll just have more unhealthy children and more societal problems, which will cost us even more money in the long run (not to mention the moral void this entails).

 

[Rifter]

Your plan amounts to kill the children. You better come up with a really good slogan.

P.S. People won't stop having children if the government stops supporting them. We'll just have more unhealthy children and more societal problems, which will cost us even more money in the long run (not to mention the moral void this entails).

well people have to learn, its that simple. The current Entitlement society cannot sustain itself forever, it will collapse its only a matter of time unless we do something about it first.