Geforce 8800 has launched without Vista drivers. The hardware is Vista-ready but driver support is absent until closer to Vista's availability on Jan. 30. Should nVidia just have waited, even though few people own or have accessibility to Vista, or was it right to release G80, while still working on Vista driver maturity, and releasing them closer to Vista's availability on Jan. 30.
Should nVidia delayed G80's launch?
- Thread starter Nelsieus
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I think the poll is a bit flawed. It should have included:
Should nVidia have permitted their partners to advertise their products as "Vista Ready" even when no Vista drivers are available?
Should nVidia have permitted their partners to advertise their products as "Vista Ready" even when no Vista drivers are available?
whats the point of releasing dx10 drivers when no one has vista? You wouldnt be able to use dx10 anyways..
This is getting ridiculus. Just because a few people refuse to understand "marketing speak" does not mean we need a poll on the issue.
I agree. Why is it such a big deal if it shipped without Vista support, considering Vista isn't out of beta status? I sometimes think some people have too much time on their hands.
I got the 8800GTX because it offered the best perfomance, period. Not because Vista wasn't ready yet and I couldn't take advantage of DX10.
I think the problem is, its not just that nVidia hasn't given driver support for Direct X 10, but just for Vista in general. From what I understand, there is a need for Direct X 9 driver support for Vista. Which ATi seems to have already done. Those that have Vista and an 88 from nVidia are sh!t out of luck. Correct me if any of my statements are false.
EDIT: Those choices for voting suck IMO. A better choice would be "release the card with Vista driver support."
EDIT: Those choices for voting suck IMO. A better choice would be "release the card with Vista driver support."
Which means they would have to launch it in Jan, since the Vista drivers are not finished until Jan. A launch in Jan. would be a delay from Nov., hence the option "Yes" to "Should nVidia delayed G80's launch."
Or perhaps I'm missing something?
Nelsieus
secretanchitman
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I voted No.
The product, the G80, shouldn't have been delayed as nVidia was far overdue for a new architecture. However, I don't think that the options should have included only the Vista aspects of the G80. Doing so makes it seem like the OP is more concerned with another thread than other important aspects surrounding the launch.
I think it was a good time because:
A) nVidia (and us enthusiasts) needed something new.
B) It gives them a nice head-start cushion to work out the quirks, lower prices, and become more wide-spread than other DX10 cards arriving next year.
C) It let us finally stretch out the boundaries of certain DX9 games and play with high IQ and high frame-rates at the same time.
I do think that nVidia should have clarified their Vista support from the gates, but it's a little late for that.
But personally, I'm not in that much of a hurry to get a DX10 card or OS. I'll wait for the games to arrive and get patched (recently I've been getting games right when they hit the market and it has been more headaches than enjoyment), prices to fall and hardware to mature, and for Vista to get around SP1.
The product, the G80, shouldn't have been delayed as nVidia was far overdue for a new architecture. However, I don't think that the options should have included only the Vista aspects of the G80. Doing so makes it seem like the OP is more concerned with another thread than other important aspects surrounding the launch.
I think it was a good time because:
A) nVidia (and us enthusiasts) needed something new.
B) It gives them a nice head-start cushion to work out the quirks, lower prices, and become more wide-spread than other DX10 cards arriving next year.
C) It let us finally stretch out the boundaries of certain DX9 games and play with high IQ and high frame-rates at the same time.
I do think that nVidia should have clarified their Vista support from the gates, but it's a little late for that.
But personally, I'm not in that much of a hurry to get a DX10 card or OS. I'll wait for the games to arrive and get patched (recently I've been getting games right when they hit the market and it has been more headaches than enjoyment), prices to fall and hardware to mature, and for Vista to get around SP1.
apoppin
Lifer
so does this give support to the idea that ATi has a better handle on DX10 since they were acknowledged by MS as "partners" in designing the core driver at the heart of the Vista OS and nvida was not mentioned?
:Q
apoppin
Lifer
is your memory so short that you forgot the [long] thread i started on this that Quoted MS in India?
:Q
you participated in it ... it's only been a few months
:roll:
Exactly what I thought. I'm sure they could've just slapped a sticker over the "Vista Ready" portion of shipping cards until drivers become available.
But I don't think they should've delayed the release of the card itself. There are many people who could care less about Vista and simply wanted a fast, high quality DX9 card.
I'm sure just about anyone would be ticked off if they already have a legal copy of Vista Business installed on their machine and an 8800GTX sitting in the box because there are actually no Vista drivers available for this supposedly "Vista Ready" video card.
Keysplayr
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Then we would have had people peeling off the sticker, saw Vista Ready!!, and started complaining they got screwed. It's a no win situation for those who feel the need to make this an issue. It really isn't such a big deal when you think about it. Was it R520 or R580 that got released without proper driver support? I can't remember. Or was it just for crossfire master cards? Anyway, not really a big deal, UNTIL January 30th.
apoppin
Lifer
no ... use the stickers that AOL uses ... the ones that destroy the box if you attempt to remove it
:roll:
that is NOT the point ... ALL nvidia had to do [20/20 hindsight] was slap a 'disclaimer' on the box
looks like BFG10k is gonna remind us in every thread.
:roll:
No, I'm really happy with my 8800GTS.
Just because a OS isn't really supported (that no one really uses anyway) is no reason to delay a launch.
Just because a OS isn't really supported (that no one really uses anyway) is no reason to delay a launch.
That's one of the lamest excuses I've heard in a while.
As long as the sticker was there originally, people would not have been deliberately misled into thinking the card could already be used with Vista. OBVIOUSLY, the sticker would have been put there for a reason. And peeling it off SHOULD cause someone to think "Hmmm... I wonder why they covered up this spot that says 'Vista Ready'? I guess maybe it's not 'Vista Ready' yet."
For anyone running a 8800GTX on XP, it's not a big deal. For those who purchased an 8800GTX to run on Vista, it is.
This is about truth-in-advertising.
From the FTC website:
From this first criteria, we see that the placing of "Vista Ready" on the card boxes violates the FTC guideline of "truthful and non-deceptive" and "must have evidence to back up their claims". THERE ARE NO VISTA DRIVERS AVAILABLE FOR THE 8800 SERIES. Plain and simple.
Nvidia's "Vista Ready" advertising is also in violation of this rule. Placing "Vista Ready" on the box would mislead ANYONE into thinking you can use it with Vista TODAY. It doesn't say "Vista Ready on Jan 30th". So the "it WILL be Vista Ready" excuse doesn't hold water.
Vista isn't out yet.
And "Vista-Ready" implies the hardware is ready Vista, as it is, and their waiting for Vista itself (along with the drivers).
I might be ready to leave at 7 p.m, but if my date isn't, we're not leaving.
We could go through analogies all day; some people just aren't going to get it. :roll:
*Sigh
Cookie Monster
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You can find this on nVIDIA site itself.
I dont know how its difficult to understand "Vista Ready" logo. It simply means that the hardware meets vista required specifications to be able to run normally on the OS. Therefore when the OS is released (its not released to us consumers) your GPU is compatible with the OS i.e run normally under that OS. However nVIDIA will definately release its drivers at the same launch date as Vista i.e it is Vista ready as nVIDIA proclaims.
I dont see any retailers (the major ones) selling the Vista OS anywhere either.(because its not relased til january 30th)
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