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Should Nintendo abandon the hardware market?

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Originally posted by: Deeko
That is foolish. First off, in Japan they dominate XBox. Second off, the only xbox game I can even think of that I would like is Fable. Never really like Halo.

XBox may have sold a few more units, but Nintendo is making way more money. Why in the WORLD would they stop making hardware? Admit it, you are just upset cuz you can't get games like Metroid, Zelda, and Eternal Darkness on your Sh!tBox. 😛
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i hate when people make stupid comments like that. i'm sure if he wanted to play those games he would go buy a GC :roll:

nintendo is making money off of the PORTABLE systems. if nintendo did not have a gameboy, i personally think they would go the route of Sega.

Fable = horrible.
 
Originally posted by: bobbybe01
The only thing I wish Nintendo would have done is reverse compatibility or being able to use games from an older system on the new one (kind of like the PS with the PS2).
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They did do that with the GBA, it will run old GB games. And the DS will run GBA games.

It would have been next to impossible to make the GC backwards compatible with the N64 (Disc vs Cartridge). But Supposedly the next Nintendo console will be compatible with the GC.
 
Gamecube is the only console I own.
I do not play sports games.




I'm a huge fan of Nintendo games, I was just curious if from a business standpoint they would be more profitable by going third party.
 
I won both Xbox and Gamecube. Sports titles are intolerable on GC which is the reason I bought my Xbox. Zelda, Metroid, etc are the reasons I keep my GC
 
You all should be thankful Nintendo are still around, and all your PS2 owners should thank Nintendo, they were responsible for the playstation, it was originally a snes add on till Nintendo told Sony they could have it as they were dropping it for a 64 bit console known as ultra 64 (N64). Sony finished it off .
 
Just because the OP may not like the Gamecube, it is no reason for Nintendo to stop being in the hardware market. Nintendo probably makes a whole heck of a lot more money on their video console sales compared to Microsoft.

Also I think Nintendo has a different market than MS. How many kid oriented games are released for the X-Box compared to the Gamecube?

It would be sheer madness and stupidity for Nintendo to get out of the hardware market.
 
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Never count Nintendo out, they have far too many franchise titles whereas Microsoft has only Halo, maybe DOA... Heck, I wouldn't be suprised if Nintendo's new Zelda05 game actually bests Halo 2's pre-release/opening day records, and that's considering the fact that Halo/Halo2 are some of the only games you might want an XBox for.
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No, you can't count nintendo out. But your point about the franchises is a double edged sword. The reason people buy that gamecube is because they grew up with Zelda and Metriod and they want more of the same. But they really need to focus on grabbing the new players (kids) IMO because their consumer base will eventually grow old and stopped playing games as much. And not everyone has that sweet love for zelda like the children of the 80s do.
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I have a PS2 right now because it was my brothers and he let me take it to college. The sole reason I brought it with me is to play FFVII-FFX-2, and FFXII when it comes out. Also to play Xensoaga and the 2nd one when it comes out. I grew up with FFVI and Xenogears on older consoles, and that's the only reason I have the system here with me in college. It's to play the games I loved when I was younger and still loves.

As much as I loved Halo and want Halo2, I will not be buying an Xbox. I grew up on Nintendo and I will be buying a Gamecube for the sole reason of playing the new Zelda game when it comes out. Simply put that game looks amazing...and its ZELDA
 
A surge in sales of its GameCube console pushed Nintendo's second-quarter income almost 100 per cent over the same period last year.

Driving the gain was a 712.5 per cent increase in unit shipments, from 80,000 in Q2 2003 to 650,000 this past quarter. Some 2.3m GameBoy Advance units were shipped during Q2 2004. A 21 per cent year-on-year decline in hardware manufacturing costs helped the console maker further.

Lower prices saw hardware revenues fall 13 per cent year on year to ¥39.5bn ($352m), but software revenues jumped 11 per cent to ¥42bn ($375m).

Nintendo quit the quarter with ¥717bn ($6.49bn) in the bank.

Looking ahead, the company said it expects to see FY 2004 as a whole deliver a doubling of income over 2003. ®
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Originally posted by: Ryuson99
A surge in sales of its GameCube console pushed Nintendo's second-quarter income almost 100 per cent over the same period last year.

Driving the gain was a 712.5 per cent increase in unit shipments, from 80,000 in Q2 2003 to 650,000 this past quarter. Some 2.3m GameBoy Advance units were shipped during Q2 2004. A 21 per cent year-on-year decline in hardware manufacturing costs helped the console maker further.

Lower prices saw hardware revenues fall 13 per cent year on year to ¥39.5bn ($352m), but software revenues jumped 11 per cent to ¥42bn ($375m).

Nintendo quit the quarter with ¥717bn ($6.49bn) in the bank.

Looking ahead, the company said it expects to see FY 2004 as a whole deliver a doubling of income over 2003. ®
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again, the OP gets owned by facts
 
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Deeko
That is foolish. First off, in Japan they dominate XBox. Second off, the only xbox game I can even think of that I would like is Fable. Never really like Halo.

XBox may have sold a few more units, but Nintendo is making way more money. Why in the WORLD would they stop making hardware? Admit it, you are just upset cuz you can't get games like Metroid, Zelda, and Eternal Darkness on your Sh!tBox. 😛
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i hate when people make stupid comments like that. i'm sure if he wanted to play those games he would go buy a GC :roll:

nintendo is making money off of the PORTABLE systems. if nintendo did not have a gameboy, i personally think they would go the route of Sega.

Fable = horrible.
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ya douchebag did you see the 😛
 
nintendo has been playing runner-up in the hardware market ever since the nintendo 64. and while the SNES was great for it's time, keep in mind it came out WAY after genesis did. i love nintendo's games but i think they aren't doing themselves any favors by only selling to a limited group of people because no one wants their hardware.
 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
nintendo has been playing runner-up in the hardware market ever since the nintendo 64. and while the SNES was great for it's time, keep in mind it came out WAY after genesis did. i love nintendo's games but i think they aren't doing themselves any favors by only selling to a limited group of people because no one wants their hardware.
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Way to read.
 
Originally posted by: bobbybe01
The only thing I wish Nintendo would have done is reverse compatiability or being able to use games from an older system on the new one (kind of like the PS with the PS2).
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Cartridge adapters for the Cube? Why bother? Most cartridge systems will long outlast their disc-based counterparts. My Atari 2600 and IntelliVision still work, but how many disc-based consoles have ended up in the landfill after hardware failure?
 
The snes was great, its CPU was slower then the gensis but its GPU was far far better.

NES= great
SNES= great
N64= Fair
Gamecube = Erm.....
 
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Originally posted by: bobbybe01
The only thing I wish Nintendo would have done is reverse compatiability or being able to use games from an older system on the new one (kind of like the PS with the PS2).
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Cartridge adapters for the Cube? Why bother? Most cartridge systems will long outlast their disc-based counterparts. My Atari 2600 and IntelliVision still work, but how many disc-based consoles have ended up in the landfill after hardware failure?
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nintendo does have theadvanced player for the gamecube which basically turns it into an snes2(gba=snes2) the big n also has the e-reader if you want the old old nes games(or secret in certain gc games). theres also a link cable to use the gba as a controller (i think sega gave them that idea with the vmu)

edit: granted you would need to buy the games over again... but that just means more $ for nintendo... kinda like how everybody has to buy atleast 2 playstations cuz one breaks 😛
 
Nintendo has almost consistantly made a profit off of the hardware. Only for a short time after then first price drop did they take a loss.
Unlike the Xbox which cost MS $325 to make and sold for $199 ($175 wholesale cost). MS has a higher rental rate than the GC but a lower buy rate. Not every Xbox sold was bought as a game console, and not every one that was bought as a game console was going to be supplying software sales. If 10% of the Xboxes were modded and used for pirated games, linux, mame, and whatnot, then that's $150 that MS will never recover on 10% of thier units. (like they'd ever make it up on $5-10 royalties anyways?) Remember, MS is LOSING $1B/year. Just because Nintendo doesn't have the "image" that you like, doesn't mean it's anywhere close to failing. As of the end of 2003, Nintendo had sold 6.8 million gamecubes in the US. That is not a trivial amount. I don't know how many were sold in 2004.

No, they are not keeping up with Sony in the households.
They ARE keeping up with Sony overall.
Yes, they are keeping up with MS.
No, they are not losing money on the hardware.
Yes, they are very profitable.

Just because they don't fit your image of what you want your console to be viewed as doesn't mean a company should stop selling.
 
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Nintendo has almost consistantly made a profit off of the hardware. Only for a short time after then first price drop did they take a loss.
Unlike the Xbox which cost MS $325 to make and sold for $199 ($175 wholesale cost). MS has a higher rental rate than the GC but a lower buy rate. Not every Xbox sold was bought as a game console, and not every one that was bought as a game console was going to be supplying software sales. If 10% of the Xboxes were modded and used for pirated games, linux, mame, and whatnot, then that's $150 that MS will never recover on 10% of thier units. (like they'd ever make it up on $5-10 royalties anyways?) Remember, MS is LOSING $1B/year. Just because Nintendo doesn't have the "image" that you like, doesn't mean it's anywhere close to failing. As of the end of 2003, Nintendo had sold 6.8 million gamecubes in the US. That is not a trivial amount. I don't know how many were sold in 2004.

No, they are not keeping up with Sony in the households.
They ARE keeping up with Sony overall.
Yes, they are keeping up with MS.
No, they are not losing money on the hardware.
Yes, they are very profitable.

Just because they don't fit your image of what you want your console to be viewed as doesn't mean a company should stop selling.
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dude where have you been. xboxes haven't been $200 for like a year now. they are like $150 brand new with 2 games now. You are stuck back a year or so pal 😉.

and with these price drops, I think its pretty safe to bet that the cost of manufacturing them has gone down a good bit. When they FIRST came out, and xbox was $300 in the store, THATS when they costed MS $325/system. I actually inquired the manager at EB about this and he explained it to me, and THATS why now a days, alot of places make you pre-order the brand new systems in these bundles that usually include games and accessories.

when the prie dropped to $200 itself, there is no way MS dropped it to that with manufacturing costs still being $325. And now with the price even cheaper, i believe that there is no way it could cost them $325 per system to make. That means a loss of almost $200/system, which means they would need to make over $200 PROFIT in first party games/accessories to make up the difference. that just doesnt make sense.

but remember, this is all just thoughts, no hard cold facts here. this is basically logical thoughs from me actually 🙂.
 
The Gameboy still owns the handheld gaming market. And Nintendo had the #1 spot all the way through the N64.

Microsoft is losing money on the Xbox, with the sole intention of trying to drive away competiton. All Nintendo has to do is wait them out.
 
Nintendo just has very loyal following (i.e. sheep). That is and will continue to erode. They make a load of money by raping people with the Gameboy series and its overpriced games. Especially stuff like the "classic" series where you can buy classic NES games for $20 USD to play on your Gameboy. WTF? Nothing wrong with the idea, but paying $20 for a 128 KB game that is 15 years old is ridiculous. Yet people keep buying. I'd wouldn't buy anything like that unless they put a collection of at least 20 games on there.
 
Originally posted by: purbeast0

dude where have you been. xboxes haven't been $200 for like a year now. they are like $150 brand new with 2 games now. You are stuck back a year or so pal 😉.

and with these price drops, I think its pretty safe to bet that the cost of manufacturing them has gone down a good bit. When they FIRST came out, and xbox was $300 in the store, THATS when they costed MS $325/system. I actually inquired the manager at EB about this and he explained it to me, and THATS why now a days, alot of places make you pre-order the brand new systems in these bundles that usually include games and accessories.

when the prie dropped to $200 itself, there is no way MS dropped it to that with manufacturing costs still being $325. And now with the price even cheaper, i believe that there is no way it could cost them $325 per system to make. That means a loss of almost $200/system, which means they would need to make over $200 PROFIT in first party games/accessories to make up the difference. that just doesnt make sense.

but remember, this is all just thoughts, no hard cold facts here. this is basically logical thoughs from me actually 🙂.
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I don't know how much they cost to make now. I don't know how much it cost initially, though MS planned a $400 launch price. When it cost $200, that is when it cost $325 to make. MS having $40B in the bank is eating the cost of the XBox because they expected it to start higher, and fall faster. Consider that the next Xbox will NOT have a hard drive. Because the HD was a rather expensive add on that didn't increase the sale price, and massively increased the piracy and non-game usage rate. The PSTwo doesn't support HDs. Most likely the PS3 will not. The HD experiment failed. The Xbox is a rather large, complicated, fragile, and expensive console compared to it's competitors. The Gamecube is a simple, plain gaming machine. The PS2 split the difference. Sony had a head start in being able to ride the $300 train, and when they dropped to $200, MS didn't WANT to, but they HAD to drop the price to keep up. Nintendo, having the simplest, lowest cost system, had an easier time dropping the price from $200 to $150 since it wasn't as hard of a hit. And being able to drop to $99 put it in an impulse buy arena which the others aren't likely to be at any time soon. I doubt MS will ever have the Xbox at $99.
 
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